What do false prophets do when they’re cornered?

24 Sep

The short answer is they spout more false prophecy. In this case, we found out the bad apples don’t fall far from bad apple trees.

Recently, we received an e-letter from John Garlington, an unknown personage within The Fellowship, and found it absolutely delightful because it provides us with more insight in the mentality of the false prophets leading apostate movements.

In lieu an unproductive dialogue with Mr. Garlington, we decided to use his e-letter to review some major points we have been making regarding the gay christian movement.

The letter was so overwhelmingly riddled with strawmen, bad logic and contradiction it became difficult to deal with it all. But here are some issues we needed to highlight. I trust Mr. Garlington and the rest of the camp (no pun intended) will read this…and move on.

Mr. Garlington began his letter by stating the purpose of Gay Christian Movement Watch was because “the riding horseman of truth is overtaking you.”
No, Mr. Garlington. Besides being an utterly ridiculous statement, you missed our purpose. Its to expose false prophets like you and Bishop Flunder. We do so because Jesus commanded us to do so. Read Matthew 7:15 and II Peter 2:1 if you’d like to know what the bible says will be the end your false teaching —and you— should you choose to be proud and unrepentant.

Mr. Garlington:

Quite frankly, many of us who are at the grassroots level of creating affirming ministries really don’t have time anymore to battle theologically.

As we pointed out before with Mel White and others, not only do gay christians shun discussion of the Bible (unless its on their terms), they are too busy with their own agenda to care what scripture says. After all, its clear that their sexual behavior and aberrant teachings are clearly condemned in scripture. Its not a book they are fond of. Imagine that, Christians who don’t care for the Bible! Instead of facing their sin and repenting, they willfully choose to ignore God.

We’re too busy starting affirming ministries, like here in Seattle, where in eight months it has grown leaps and bounds in comparison with other ministries: much like The Vision Church in Atlanta, which must be an eye sore for you currently, since it has grown exponentially.

Like those in Sodom, pride and arrogance is embedded in your spirit, so understandably your words reek of haughty superiority.(Ezekiel 16:49) In your view, the accumulation of numbers represent sucess. Of course, that’s antithetical to the Biblical perspective. God has always used a remnant group to perform his will and moreover shuns numbers as the trappings of human accomplishment. For instance, he pared down Gideon’s 32,000 man army to only 300. One simple reason: God wanted to receive all the glory for the victory. Even David was punished severely by God for numbering Isreal. Pride was at the source of it. Neither large numbers or “exponential growth” represent divine approval. Furthermore, neither are indicators of relationship with God. Conversely, for comparison’s sake, Adolph Hitler’s Nazi Germany also grew by “leaps and bounds” as he infected a nation with his demonic teachings.

Mr. Garlington:

But being frank, DL I’m bored with this subject matter. I’m working at an HIV/AIDS clinic and I see firsthand those who are coping with themselves and those who aren’t. DL, history has demonstrated that the best gatekeepers of moral righteousness are themselves morally flawed. Please don’t have a Juanita Bynum moment and join the ranks of everyone who portrayed the moral high ground, inflicting it upon everyone else, to be duplicitously found out later on in their own scandals.

Please take note you say you’re “bored” with this subject. I can only wonder then as to why you would write such a lengthy email. Boredom generally does not produce such fruit.

Garlington:

Therefore, I challenge you with this, since I work at a clinic. Those of you, who claim being healed of homosexuality, provide a release of information for HIPAA so we can consult with your doctors, because that’s who ultimately knows the truth because I see all the “super-saved” in my clinic all the time with ongoing STD problems. Let put your hypothesis and approach to scientific scrutiny. Not the one or two saved from your organization or those who have died living unfulfilled lives; Or, so closely wrapped to their religious beliefs, they become the gatekeepers of the larger community, fighting the rest of their lives to uphold a belief that’s riddled and outdated with oppressive tenets, essentially, becoming a poster child or minstrel. We’ve played this role long enough within the religious community.

John, what a childish and reprehensible demand. Is that how you react when the truth about your sexual immorality hits you in the face? You want everyone to be like you: wrong. Your guilt is not because of people, but because you perpetually violate God’s commands and dishonor his name. If you saw all the medical records in the world, you would still be haunted with satan’s guilt and condemnation, because you are too proud of your sin to repent. I wonder just how “professional” you are with a desire to expose private medical conditions.

Garlington:

DL, John Shelby Spong is correct. Unless we change it [Christianity] will die. He couldn’t be more prophetic and he has offered us a challenging roadmap in how we come to terms with those realities in coming future. He, and I know him personally, has never claimed to know how the church should get there but it’s going to require some fundamental changes in our thinking and prior beliefs. It’s hard work!

Yes, its hard work for those teaching false doctrine. But you do greatly err, Christianity is in no danger of death. You would know that if you werent bible-phobic or “too busy starting affirming ministries.” Just so that you and the false prophet Spong will know, Jesus said “Upon on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). The church is safe in the hands of its founder Christ. John, if you and Spong align yourselves with the doctrines of devils, Jesus assures us that you will not prevail. Along with all others who have railed against Christ, and falsely claimed to be for him, your words and your works will be burned in the fire, never to be remembered.

Garlington:

Come from behind the computer and let’s setup a debate, in your camp concerning this very issue. Stop being a bully. You have problems with Greenlee and Flunder – come up from behind the computers and talk. They aren’t scared of you and neither, am I.

First John, you say you are bored, then you want to talk more. That’s contradictory and I’m not so inclined to deal with double minded people. You demand that I “come from behind the computers and talk.” Its apparent you probably don’t understand that thousands of people write daily blogs on a plethora of issues. Blogging is the new information medium. Its unfortunate that you are too sensitive to handle public criticism of your false doctrine. As to being public with what I believe, check the record. I have traversed the country and abroad in the open, steadfastly declaring what the scriptures say. You want a debate, but you say you don’t have time to “battle theologically”? That’s ignorance and more contradiction.

Personal note to John and John’s mushy threats: If Bishop Flunder has sent you out to “fight her battles” as you claim, please inform your boss that you have failed miserably.

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15 Responses to “What do false prophets do when they’re cornered?”

  1. chesterstreet September 24, 2007 at 3:40 pm #

    Brillant exposure DL!

    They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

    Mr. Garlington should take note, he has no where to hide.

  2. christinewjc September 24, 2007 at 5:47 pm #

    You, DL, have handled this exchange excellently! Praise God!

    How have you done this? It is most evident that it was through the power of the Holy Spirit’s leading in your life,. It is your knowledge of Scripture and the grace and mercy of God shining His bright Light through the ever increasing habits of darkness that hold Garington and those just like him in such bondage! They are false teachers, involved in such outrageously abberant teachings which cannot possibly stand up to scrutiny when exposed by the absolute truth of the Bible.

    Their heresy is exposed every time that the truth of the Bible is shared. The blaring evidence that they blatantly and pridefully ignore the need to repent of their sins (which is paramount in the gospel message of Jesus Christ ) and, instead, busy themselves with other “ventures” shows just how far from God they truly are.

    Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    No wonder they reject the Bible! It condemns them in their unrepentent folly and exposes their idolatry of self.

    Thank God we have the absolute truth of God’s Word to counter their sinful and pride-filled blatherings!

  3. gcmwatch September 24, 2007 at 5:54 pm #

    Christine, (and Mark) God bless you. I know that as you have dealt with numerous people on your own blog who hold these wayward beleifs, you have seen the most effective way is to respond with the Word. Everything, including our own motives, actions and beliefs must be measured by the canon of scripture. Otherwise we can easily establish our own righteousness.

    Garlington is a sad but true example of that. You are so right the only thing required is to repent and turn. Not because you or I said so, but becuase it is what God requires. If a person refuses —by choice—to do that, I dont know what else they can expect, except to fall into self inflicted delusion.

    Be encouraged and let’s always respond with the Word in balance.

  4. Colby Kline September 24, 2007 at 9:28 pm #

    I am shocked and Horrified at the sheer calusness of your treatment of this man. I have been a Christian all my life and in recent years, I have become inceasingly appaled at the sheer hypocrasty and Arrogance of many Christians. So many have become blinded by teachers, such as yourself, who have become so blinded by their biblical idolatry that they no longer give even so much as passing noticfe to the most basic tannant of their faith. What is a christian? The christianity that I have always been taught, means that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour. Apparently, however, that is no longer what being a Christian is. Salvation now no longer requires faith in Jesus Christ but an unflinching, unwavering obedience, not to God, but to a 2000 year old text written by men, cannonized by men, and translated by men. You Yourself said “Imagine that, Christians who don’t care for the bible.” The message of Jesus is not a studious examination of a textbook, but a personal relationship with an all-loving Father. Judege not ye neighbor, for “judgement is the Lord’s alone…,” “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” Apart from your basic disregard for the greatest comandment, love thy neighbor as thyself, you also fail to actually fail to actaully refute any of his questions or points. Instead you proceed to atack, his charecter, and slander his morality. Regardless of the fact that homosexual behavior is immoral, your very own website states that, “You may discuss issues, debate ideas, or even one’s position on the stated issue, but not the person. We expect mature, responsible discussion.” This blatent disregard for your own rules is even more disappointing. I am saddened by the fact that Pastor, such as yourself, have shrunk God. No longer is he the loving, merciful, reedemer of men, but a vengeful, spiteful, tool of those who would use his benevolence to further their own idolatry. I pity one who has become so blinded and lost to the beautiful love of our Adonai, and i pray for you each and every day.

  5. chesterstreet September 25, 2007 at 2:24 pm #

    Colby writes, Salvation now no longer requires faith in Jesus Christ but an unflinching, unwavering obedience, not to God, but to a 2000 year old text written by men, cannonized by men, and translated by men.

    2 Peter 3:15-16 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

    16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    Do you need a better confirmation for the authority of scripture?

    Colby states, who have become so blinded by their biblical idolatry that they no longer give even so much as passing noticfe to the most basic tannant of their faith.

    “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?”

    Colby, do you not see the parallel here? You and the serpent both question God’s word. The only idolatry here, is man wanting to be like God so he replaces God and His word with his own fallen sin filled words and motives. One need not be prefect to realize such, nor be banned from warning others of such a costly unbiblical, unholy error. Affirming anothers sin is indeed, idolatry. Bathing one’s self in the word of God, is not sir.

    Remember Colby, what book did Jesus qoute from when he was rebuking the temptations of Satan in the desert? Hint: OT and it starts with a ‘D”. :)

  6. gcmwatch September 25, 2007 at 4:10 pm #

    Colby considers God’s DIVINELY INSPIRED (2 Tim 3:16) word an archaic “2000 year old text written by man, cannonized by men and translated by man.” That speaks volumes about Colby’s beliefs. They do not come from God nor can they be substantiated in God’s Word. My question is if one’s beliefs cannot be traced to God for verification of authenticity, then where else could they originate. From a FALSE source, perhaps?

    Apparently, Mark this irrelevant text is only good for cherry picking verses on love and judgement, which of course Colby uses ONLY to support and provide cover for false teachers and wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    I’m not sure there is any other credible reason to be concerned with his remarks and feigned shock and awe.

  7. christinewjc September 25, 2007 at 5:29 pm #

    It seems to be a common accusation of the gcm to label Christians who stress adherence to God’s eternal Word in the Bible as an “idolatry.”

    If that isn’t the most nonsensical, idiotic thing I have ever heard….

    Wait. Let me stop myself and quote Jesus instead:

    Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone,but by every word of God. (bold mine)

  8. Colby Kline September 26, 2007 at 6:11 am #

    I did not specify my personal beliefs as i knew they would only serve to obscure the point that i was attempting to make, and to that end i will not disclose them now either. Simply know that I am a born again Christian.

    I was not attacking the bible, nor the modern Christian Churches adherence to it. Indeed it is the only text we have left, that provides any knowledge of what christianity is, I was not saying that the bible is not to be believed, simply that one should stop to consider whether or not what you are reading makes sense with the truth that you feel from the Holy spirit Within. I would be far more willing to accept the guidance of the Holy Spirit, over the inevitable distortion of the specifics of the Word. regardless, the point i was trying to make, was the sheer speed at which we tend to Judge others. So much so that we have now built in our minds, two different kinds of sinners, those who can be redeemed and those that cannot. Coincidentally these groups direct correlate to the sins that we have personal experience with. I was not condoning, or disowning, any christian principle, ,simply speculating on how different our interaction with those principles is, than what i perceive their intent to be.

  9. Colby Kline September 26, 2007 at 6:13 am #

    By the way, if someone could please clarify how chesterstreet’s verse form 2 Peter, applies to the quote he pulled, I would greatly appreciate it.

  10. gcmwatch September 26, 2007 at 10:52 am #

    Colby, we’re not interested in your personal beliefs.
    Regarding homosexuality, why should a CHRISTIAN have “personal beliefs” when the scripture is clear in its teaching?

    Colby: “one should stop to consider whether or not what you are reading makes sense with the truth that you feel from the Holy spirit Within. I would be far more willing to accept the guidance of the Holy Spirit, over the inevitable distortion of the specifics of the Word”

    Perhaps unwittingly you have expressed a belief long held as heretical by the church. Called antinominism, it elevates “Spirit” above scripture. No where in scripture does the Spirit of God act in disobedience to God. Jesus said that like him the Spirit would only glorify the Father. The Father is glorified in obedience, not sacrifice. It allows its practioners to opt out of obedience to the Bible’s sexual morals by simply claiming to be following “the spirit”. The apostle John refuted this false teaching in 1 John 1:5-10.

    We have never said, nor do we beleive there are two classes of sinners. Those who can be redeemed and those who cannot. Quite the opposite. Repentance brings redemption….for anyone. Its an all inclusive invitation from God. Jesus’ FIRST sermon was “repent for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand. He didn’t say “love for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand”. First things first. That’s God’ s requirement and his way. Thus, we are calling on these false teachers (like Garlington) to repent and be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb which sanctifies, cleanses and justifies.

  11. Mark September 26, 2007 at 2:08 pm #

    Colby you wrote Salvation now no longer requires faith in Jesus Christ but an unflinching, unwavering obedience, not to God, but to a 2000 year old text written by men, cannonized by men, and translated by men.

    The 2 Peter 3: 15-16
    and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you,

    16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

    1. These verses confirm the Authority of scripture. (wisdom given him)

    2. Notice the word ‘destruction’. This is no ordinary use of the word, it means eternal death, Hell.

    When you say “2000 year old, man taught, man made text” (Our Holy Bible) you sir have taken an unstable, untaught, and distorted view and called it godly truth. That you will do at your own destruction.

    I hope we are clear now? Your unstable postion of listening to your ‘spirit’ / ‘heart’ etc… is once again completely unbiblical, as DL as rightly pointed out. I pray you will bath in God’s word and stop walking down the worldly flesh inspired path you appear to be on. It leads only to destruction.

    regardless, the point i was trying to make, was the sheer speed at which we tend to Judge others.

    The devil is in the details Colby. Rebuking false teachers should be swift and direct. The Bible is their enemy.

    Jude 17But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
    18 that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.”

    19 These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit.

  12. Colby Kline September 27, 2007 at 6:08 am #

    Again I fear that my comments have been misunderstood. DL stated “No where in scripture does the Spirit of God act in disobedience to God. Jesus said that like him the Spirit would only glorify the Father.” I was not suggesting that the guiding of the spirit are contradictory to the word. This would be paradoxical as the Spirit and The Word are one and the same: equal within the trinity. I was saying that our communication with the Spirit is far more direct than that with the Word. Yes the Word is easier for us to see, but the written word has been subject to numerous transliterations over the past two thousand years, in which many details are inevitably lost. Not by any intention of the translators but simply by the nature of language. Whereas the guiding of the Holy Spirit are immediate, and current; direct from the eternal Living God.

    I was not aware that this line of thinking was considered heresy, nor that it had a particular name ascribed to it, yet if what i have just described is heretical as DL suggests than i suppose that i am an antinominist, and i would simply point out the fact that Protestantism was considered Heresy when Martin Luther first nailed his grievances to the Cathedral door.

    Additionally, when i was referring to my “personal beliefs” I was not making a statement about homosexuality, I believe firmly that homosexuality is a sin. I was referring to my theological beliefs: I am an apokatastasist, (and yes I am aware that that is now considered heresy) but that is an entirely unrelated curiosity.

  13. Colby Kline September 27, 2007 at 6:11 am #

    Thank you Mark for the clarification of the import of the verses from 2 Peter. I, however, believe my pervious post addresses both these points.

  14. oregonsistah March 9, 2008 at 10:46 am #

    I know John Garlington He is from Portland, Oregon, a musician who has had struggled with homosexulality his whole life. His uncles are well known ministers Paul and Joseph Garlington. His father was my pastor in the 80s Pastor John Garlington Sr of Maranatha Church which falls under Church of God. His parents were tragically killed in 1986 by a tractor trailer while on at a ministry conference in Florida. The first time I heard about Johnny being gay was when his father mentioned it in church and it pained him dearly and was always asking the church to pray for him and didn’t know or understand at that time \why Johnny made that choice. I was shocked when I found out he had started a church and didn’t learn until later it was a gay church. I hadn’t seen or heard from him in awhile and wonder why he decided to start his church in Seattle, versus Portland, where his father is highly respected as a man of God and has a building and organization named after him. I read your blogs and typically don’t comment, but want you to know, that he knows the word is basically a nice guy, but is in need of deliverance.

  15. gcmwatch March 9, 2008 at 9:36 pm #

    Thank you oregonsistah. Like you, we too are concerned with the souls of men and women like John Garlington. Satan will deceive anyone. Garlington represents many “children of the church” who have fallen through the cracks but now have become part of the crack and even proud of it.

    God’s desire is that all men hear the truth, accept it, repent and live their lives for him. Its seems the gay christian movement has exempted themselves from coming through the same door we all have to come through. If a person refuses to repent of their sin, how can they be saved? There is no other way.

    I can understand your shock at finding out that “John” had started a gay church. One of the other members of the fellowship, Alex Byrd. I knew him and minstered briefly to him (like Garlington he’s a talented musician). At one point he sought deliverance and believed it, but somewhere along the way he doubted God and instead accepted his sinful state; justifying it.

    I was shocked to find out that he had started a homosexual church in Dallas and married another man. I found this out reading the paper where he was supporting gay marriage.

    I hope one day that they too can come to the knowledge of the truth. As you said they are “nice people” but the false doctrine they are pushing cannot be tolerated.

    Thanks for stopping in.

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