The short answer is they spout more false prophecy. In this case, we found out the bad apples don’t fall far from bad apple trees.
Recently, we received an e-letter from John Garlington, an unknown personage within The Fellowship, and found it absolutely delightful because it provides us with more insight in the mentality of the false prophets leading apostate movements.
In lieu an unproductive dialogue with Mr. Garlington, we decided to use his e-letter to review some major points we have been making regarding the gay christian movement.
The letter was so overwhelmingly riddled with strawmen, bad logic and contradiction it became difficult to deal with it all. But here are some issues we needed to highlight. I trust Mr. Garlington and the rest of the camp (no pun intended) will read this…and move on.
Mr. Garlington began his letter by stating the purpose of Gay Christian Movement Watch was because “the riding horseman of truth is overtaking you.”
No, Mr. Garlington. Besides being an utterly ridiculous statement, you missed our purpose. Its to expose false prophets like you and Bishop Flunder. We do so because Jesus commanded us to do so. Read Matthew 7:15 and II Peter 2:1 if you’d like to know what the bible says will be the end your false teaching —and you— should you choose to be proud and unrepentant.
Quite frankly, many of us who are at the grassroots level of creating affirming ministries really don’t have time anymore to battle theologically.
As we pointed out before with Mel White and others, not only do gay christians shun discussion of the Bible (unless its on their terms), they are too busy with their own agenda to care what scripture says. After all, its clear that their sexual behavior and aberrant teachings are clearly condemned in scripture. Its not a book they are fond of. Imagine that, Christians who don’t care for the Bible! Instead of facing their sin and repenting, they willfully choose to ignore God.
We’re too busy starting affirming ministries, like here in Seattle, where in eight months it has grown leaps and bounds in comparison with other ministries: much like The Vision Church in Atlanta, which must be an eye sore for you currently, since it has grown exponentially.
Like those in Sodom, pride and arrogance is embedded in your spirit, so understandably your words reek of haughty superiority.(Ezekiel 16:49) In your view, the accumulation of numbers represent sucess. Of course, that’s antithetical to the Biblical perspective. God has always used a remnant group to perform his will and moreover shuns numbers as the trappings of human accomplishment. For instance, he pared down Gideon’s 32,000 man army to only 300. One simple reason: God wanted to receive all the glory for the victory. Even David was punished severely by God for numbering Isreal. Pride was at the source of it. Neither large numbers or “exponential growth” represent divine approval. Furthermore, neither are indicators of relationship with God. Conversely, for comparison’s sake, Adolph Hitler’s Nazi Germany also grew by “leaps and bounds” as he infected a nation with his demonic teachings.
But being frank, DL I’m bored with this subject matter. I’m working at an HIV/AIDS clinic and I see firsthand those who are coping with themselves and those who aren’t. DL, history has demonstrated that the best gatekeepers of moral righteousness are themselves morally flawed. Please don’t have a Juanita Bynum moment and join the ranks of everyone who portrayed the moral high ground, inflicting it upon everyone else, to be duplicitously found out later on in their own scandals.
Please take note you say you’re “bored” with this subject. I can only wonder then as to why you would write such a lengthy email. Boredom generally does not produce such fruit.
Therefore, I challenge you with this, since I work at a clinic. Those of you, who claim being healed of homosexuality, provide a release of information for HIPAA so we can consult with your doctors, because that’s who ultimately knows the truth because I see all the “super-saved” in my clinic all the time with ongoing STD problems. Let put your hypothesis and approach to scientific scrutiny. Not the one or two saved from your organization or those who have died living unfulfilled lives; Or, so closely wrapped to their religious beliefs, they become the gatekeepers of the larger community, fighting the rest of their lives to uphold a belief that’s riddled and outdated with oppressive tenets, essentially, becoming a poster child or minstrel. We’ve played this role long enough within the religious community.
John, what a childish and reprehensible demand. Is that how you react when the truth about your sexual immorality hits you in the face? You want everyone to be like you: wrong. Your guilt is not because of people, but because you perpetually violate God’s commands and dishonor his name. If you saw all the medical records in the world, you would still be haunted with satan’s guilt and condemnation, because you are too proud of your sin to repent. I wonder just how “professional” you are with a desire to expose private medical conditions.
DL, John Shelby Spong is correct. Unless we change it [Christianity] will die. He couldn’t be more prophetic and he has offered us a challenging roadmap in how we come to terms with those realities in coming future. He, and I know him personally, has never claimed to know how the church should get there but it’s going to require some fundamental changes in our thinking and prior beliefs. It’s hard work!
Yes, its hard work for those teaching false doctrine. But you do greatly err, Christianity is in no danger of death. You would know that if you werent bible-phobic or “too busy starting affirming ministries.” Just so that you and the false prophet Spong will know, Jesus said “Upon on this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). The church is safe in the hands of its founder Christ. John, if you and Spong align yourselves with the doctrines of devils, Jesus assures us that you will not prevail. Along with all others who have railed against Christ, and falsely claimed to be for him, your words and your works will be burned in the fire, never to be remembered.
Come from behind the computer and let’s setup a debate, in your camp concerning this very issue. Stop being a bully. You have problems with Greenlee and Flunder – come up from behind the computers and talk. They aren’t scared of you and neither, am I.
First John, you say you are bored, then you want to talk more. That’s contradictory and I’m not so inclined to deal with double minded people. You demand that I “come from behind the computers and talk.” Its apparent you probably don’t understand that thousands of people write daily blogs on a plethora of issues. Blogging is the new information medium. Its unfortunate that you are too sensitive to handle public criticism of your false doctrine. As to being public with what I believe, check the record. I have traversed the country and abroad in the open, steadfastly declaring what the scriptures say. You want a debate, but you say you don’t have time to “battle theologically”? That’s ignorance and more contradiction.
Personal note to John and John’s mushy threats: If Bishop Flunder has sent you out to “fight her battles” as you claim, please inform your boss that you have failed miserably.