Change of heart: Right or wrong?

GCM Watch note: We received this from Montia Campbell who wanted to express her displeasure at our work here.  I suspect that she meant it to everyone who speaks out against the false doctrine of the gay christian movement.  I decided to take Ms. Campbell’s comment and elevate  it to post status.  Ms Campbell seems to have once been on the extremist side “all homosexuals need to burn in hell” (not our belief at all), but after “feeling bad” about it, changed her views to what appears to be the polar opposite end of the spectrum.   If you would like to address parts or all of her new beliefs in an attempt to help her see where she went wrong,  please do so. We also invite Ms Campbell to comment more on exactly how and why she made such a drastic turn. Her unedited comments are as follows:

I am a heterosexual Christian female who would like to know if all the
people who have lots of negative things to say about homosexual
individuals have read the Hebrew Bible referring to the same scriptures you’re using to exclude and demean these brothers and sisters. Do you really
think God is pleased with you? You are no better than White people who
thought black people were nothing but property.(animals if you will)
they were using the scriptures too ,to justify how they were treating
Black people. Saved Homosexuals are God’s Children just like you and me and you had better make sure you are not fighting with God on this matter.
Make sure you have searched the scriptures well and have a good
understanding  because you may be surprised that you have stinking thinking.
I was prejudice against homosexual also,but I felt bad because I had
not really taken the time to find out what the words I was reading in
the KJV meant in Hebrew and I was not considering the context of which
those words were used. I mouthed off just like most of you and didn’t know
what I was talking about just following some preacher preaching turn or
burn. I am telling you NOW God is not pleased with your paper or you and
you just may be one of the ones Jesus says to  I never knew you ! God
Is Love.  Love your neighbor as your self. Remember those scriptures?
Do you really think God thinks like you do ? There is a scripture in the
bible that says He Doesn’t.(My thoughts are not your thoughts) The
Bottom line is That God is Love and it is obvious that you are not a
loving person but one that is trying to stir up strife against others
because of your prejudice.God says to judge righteously and if you have not
done your homework on what God really says and means about homosexuals
then I would suggest you first REPENT to God, then ask the homosexual
community for forgiveness and then Use your paper for good in stead of
for evil. Thank you.

UPDATE: 11/24/07 Received from Montia Campbell via email:

“To whom it may concern, this is not about setting someone straight; it is about acting like a child of God which you claim to be.I would suggest that you read the book of JAMES  AND KEEP READING IT UNTIL THE LOVE OF GOD COMES INTO YOUR HEART AND YOU LEARN TO BRIDLE YOUR TONGUE..Read James 2-8, 9,10,12 and 13. Very important for you to also read James3-8,9,10,14,15 16 17 18. If you lack any wisdom because of what I wrote, It is written,James1- 5. It would be in your best interest to read the entire book of James because you need it. You sound like someone who likes to keep something going. What are you getting out of trying to insult homosexuals?Jesus told you to Love,Treat people as you wish to be treated,It’s not a hard thing to do.I have been reading your articles for a long time and everyone just jumps on the bandwagon. Be a doer of the word and Love people like Jesus said. That is the important thing to God,not how many  gay people you can hurt. There is too much hurt, anger, poverty and killing out here and you are wasting your time trying to discredit your brothers and sisters in the Lord(whether you like hearing that or not,that is who they are. Get use to it! Ask God for wisdom in this area of His creation. He didn’t put them here to be scorned and beaten because some people wont try to understand That God really loves them just like He loves us. Set your heart to try and get to know them,check your family tree,who knows ,there may be one or two in your family. Get your mouth off Bishop Jakes and stop hating. It is none of your business concerning his son. You and people like you need to ask yourselves very seriousiy if you have studied to show yourselves approved on this subject. You will not pull me into any kind of debate regarding this because I have stated what I have stated and if you are not satisfied with that so be. You and your group can call me any thing that you want but I know who I am and I know who it is that I belong to and I KNOW HE IS PROUD of me for speaking up for that part of His creation that some of His other children want to throw away.Believe it or not God is against you because you are calling unclean what He has sanctified.Get it straight I am speaking of saved, they have accepted Jesus Homosexuals. I pray for the unsaved homosexual or straight people to become saved too.  Thak [sic] you, Montia Campbell

GCM Watch: Unfortunately, she still did not answer any questions, just more confusing, emotional religious conjecture.

Update #2

Ms Campbell refuses to present her information here for examination (she doesn’t like debate), but after coming a bit unhinged via email she confessed that she got her Hebrew knowledge “from the internet” and that she “will not be ignorant anymore saying things based on the King James Bible Only”.  Of course, you know what that means. I’m sure this will be and end to the updates for this post due to the fact that Ms Campbell accused me of trying to be “intellectual sounding” and not to email her unless it was to apologize.

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14 thoughts on “Change of heart: Right or wrong?

  1. If she had examples of what she thinks she misinterpreted that would help. For example, I have found the Lev. 18 passage to be one fo the clearest possible (Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.)

  2. Montia,

    You intimated that Hebrew text gives a different meaning to scriptures as tranlated in the King James Version, yet you gave no scripture references nor comparisions.

    Please tell me the meaning of this scripture in the Hebrew text?
    Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

    Also, what is the meaning of these scriptures in Hebrew?

    Romans 1:24-32

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11

    2 Timothy 3:1-5

    2 Peter 2:6

    Revelation 22:14-15

    Thanking you in advance for your response.

    Peace

  3. I’d also like to ask where and exactly how long did she study Hebrew? Was it at a reputable Bible School? Did you study Hebrew just on scriptures about homosexuality or was it a wholistic study of the scriptures?

    Please review my personal study of the scriptures on homosexuality, both explicit and implied.

    Ms. Campbell honestly, your remarks and assertions are extremely difficult to qualify because you havent cited any concrete examples which demonstrate what GCM Watch or anyone here has said which is contrary to any Hebrew (and what about the Greek?) you have studied.

    We’ll await your clarifications.

  4. Well didn’t people once used the bible to say that the world was flat and condemn Galileo,and i sure hope that you’re also against Rock Music,especally Christian Rock.

  5. No, werewulf we’re not. Christ is the Rock, so its cool with me.

    But I fail to see the connection of your point, especially if it is meant to be taken seriously.

  6. “If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched.” (Mark 9:43)

    While fundamentalists insist (due to their pre-existing bigotry) that all seemingly anti-gay scriptures be taken literally, without exception, they admit that the above verse was not meant to be taken literally even though the words above were spoken by Jesus Himself.

    This proves that fundamentalists are willing to say that certain scriptures weren’t meant to be believed literally, even those which contain the actual words of Jesus Christ!

    One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the congregation of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2)

    If you were born to an unwed mother, the Bible says that you shouldn’t be allowed in church. Do “Bible-believing” fundamentalists follow this rule? Nope. They acknowledge that this verse was meant for a different time.

    Yes, even fundamentalists acknowledge that certain scriptures were only meant to be applied to the particular time and place in which they were written.

    When it comes to those scripture verses which seem to speak against homosexuality, however, they suddenly and indignantly demand that every word be followed to the letter and applied to our modern day!

    The idea of refusing membership in the church to a child born to an unwed mother is seen as being unreasonable today, even though the scripture instructs it. The idea of quoting scripture to abuse people who are gay and lesbian is just as unreasonable and antiquated.

    “Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ.” (Ephesians 6:5)

    “Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don’t work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord.” (Colossians 3:22)

    “Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back .” (Titus 2:9)

    “Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. ” (1 Peter 2:18)

    Slaves should obey their masters? Hardly. Slavery was one of the most offensive institutions to ever befall humanity. Sadly, the scriptures condoned it, and, as you can see from the above verses, demanded that slaves obey their masters…even cruel ones. Are those verses the “Word of God?” Of course not. They are merely reflective of cultural biases which found their way into the Biblical text.

  7. Yes i do play rock music but with a First act( don’t laugh,because it’s all i can afford right now) and will get a Strat when i get enough money.

  8. “While fundamentalists insist (due to their pre-existing bigotry) that all seemingly anti-gay scriptures be taken literally, without exception, they admit that the above verse was not meant to be taken literally even though the words above were spoken by Jesus Himself.”

    Werewolfman, you are indulging in a prejudice as bad as the straw man argument you make against Bible-believing Christians.

    We aren’t literalists, we are contextualists – that is, we don’t take every word literally, we read them in context. Jesus’ words about cutting off hands and gouging eyes sure reads like hyperbole to me. Given that none of his followers ever took it literally, I think He was just making the point that sin is very serious.

    And Lev. 18:22 sure looks like a clear statement against a specific behavior. Read both passages in the context of surrounding passages and the whole Bible and I think most will agree.

    With respect to slavery, you are the one being the literalist. You read the word “slavery” and assume it is referring to U.S.-style slavery, where people were ripped from their homes and sent overseas to be slaves. If you are interested in what the Bible really says about slavery then I encourage you to check out slavery in the Bible.

    Do some Christians grandstand on the topic of homosexuality because it isn’t a temptation for them? Yes, some do, and that is wrong. It is embarrassing to the church that they ignore heterosexual sins such as sex outside marriage, lust, un-Biblical divorce, etc.

    But that doesn’t mean the Bible doesn’t make it clear that homosexual behavior is a sin.

  9. Werewolf, you seem to have a problem with “fundamentalists”. Fundamentalists are not God, neither are they God’s word. Such people are NOT the issue. Case in point, “liberals” do the same thing, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. So if you are going to be balanced in your criticism, please excoriate both. Anyone who misinterprets God’s word for any reason is WRONG.

    Using these “flashpoint” scenarios are little more than red herrings. Misintepretation of any scripture by anyone never invalidates its clear truth. And there is no ambivalence in scripture which condemns in the strongest terms possible, sexual immorality, homosexuality included.

    Are you aware of the proper procedures used to apply the word to today’s challenges? If not, then most of what you are saying becomes moot, because you yourself are not practicing proper interpretation. That includes Holy Spirit revelation.

    My question to you is do you properly (rightly) divide the word or do you allow some sins to be unchecked because of the wrong division of “fundamentalists”? Do you use that as an excuse not to call sin what it is no matter who’s doing it. That seems to be Ms Campbell’s problem. She has swung completely to the other side and thus still ends up WRONG in her application of God’s word.

    PS: I could care less what Jack Chick thinks. Thats his world.

  10. Regarding the slavery texts: One must examine the scriptures within the context of the day and the culture in which these words were written. The concept of slavery that existed here in the US should not be imposed upon the texts you mentioned. The majority of those “enslaved” were bond servants; very similar to indentured servitude practiced in Europe and in the United States early on in US history. In some cases people voluntarily sold themselves into slavery for a specified amount of time to acheive a higher standard of living. Others were “enslaved due to indebtedness. Still others were made slaves through a mandate of the Roman court system. There was no slavery like what Africans experienced in America. There is very little doubt that those who were enslaved were treated badly depending upn the dispostion or whim of the master. In fact, slaves could be killed at the wll of the master withno resulting investigation by the gov’t.

    In the Christian church to whom Paul wrote slaves and masters are considered equals in the church. See: Galations 3:28 Where Paul teachers that in Crist, thre is no slave or free person.Thereby, setting the stage for the abolition of slavery via the Christianprinciple of equality through Christ.

    Regarding the first scripture you mentioned in Ephesians 6:5, vese 9 says: And you Masters do the same things to them (doing the will of God from the heart with goodwilldoing service as to the LORD..) giving up threatening knowing that your own master also is in Heaven and their is no partiality( bigotry, prejudice) with Him.

    The New Testament book of Jude also addresses this issue as Paul admonioshes Juse o take a runaway slave back into his home as a brother in Christian love and not merely as a servant. Reminding Jude that he has an bligation to the principle of Christian love that supercede the cultural law regarding slavery. These teaching set the stage for a major cultural shift away from the institution of slavery in that culture and eventually against theculture of slavery in the US.It was the very same texts and others that I’ve mentioned that were used by white and black abolitionists. It is probably a more accurate statement to make that slavery in the Old Testament slavery was tolerted ad regulated. Permanent slavery was forbidden between Israelites and provision for freedom was mandated in the year of Jubilee. In the New Testament the teachings of Paul, challenged slavery as an institution.

    Lastly, the passage in Mark 9 where Jesus addresses cutting off one’s hand or plucking out an eyeis a jewish idiom of speech alled overstatement. It is a form of hyperbole to make a point. A similar example would be Jesus’ reference to camels going through the eye of a needle being easier that rich men getting into the kingdom of Heaven. In fact Jesus knew fully well that a person’snhand did not cause one to sin nor does an eye cause one to sin. He tqaught that sin and evil thoughts began in the hearts of mankind in Matthew 15:19…”for out of the heart (innermost being) proceeds evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts,lying,blasphemies,.” So Jesus could not ave been thinking or teaching that a man’s hand or eye makes him sin. Jesus is illustrating how drastically His followers should avoid sin. Additionally in the same passage of scripture Jesusrefers to Hell as being a place where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched. Any knowledgeableperson knows that fire and worms cannot co-exist, so, Jesus is using figurative language. Thusl, no informed Christian could take the passage you mentioned literally. Rightfully so.

    It is not so with the passages that deal with human sexuality. It si very clar from scripture that same sex relations is not condoned by scripture. It is never mentioned faorably in scriptue in the old or new testaments. The context is always clear.

    Lest, you or any rwader throws the Levitucus text in as a monkey wrench; The Leviticus text contains various and sundry laws concerning the guidelines that God established for te The text about mixed seeds and fabrics and prohibition against eating shellfish are related to the ceremonial law and dietary laws. Those laws werew fulfilled in Christ as they represented the spritual separation that God required for Israel from the other nations, particularly the Canaanites.

    The prohibition against same sex relations was a part of the moral law of God that governed human sexuality, i.e.; fornication, adultery, beastiality, homosexuality, polyamy, divorce ,remarriage, etc.

    For those who say that “Jesus never mentioned homosexuality”, let me offer this: Jesus was a Jewish male. A rabbi (a renegade rabbi). He wasfully aware of and very well versed in the Laws of God. He constantly challenged the Jewish leaders on their biases, bigotries, hypocrisy etc. Money, marriage, tithing, forgiveness, hell, and many other subjects he challenged. If Jesus thought there was a classmof people being unfairly treated by the religious status quo he challenged it. Why then didnt Jesus address this? When he did adress the issue of marriage/sex he clearly states in Matthew 19 that God created male and female from the begining as it relates to sexual relatons.
    We can learn from Jesus’s loving attitude toward those involved in sexual sin. He was compassionate, forgiving and affirmed their worth as people (The prodigal son’s riotous living and money spent on prostitues, the woman with many sins, the woman caught in adultery). Their redemption ws found in the discontiuation of the sin and choosing to obey the scripture. “Neither do I condenm thee, go and sin no more.”

  11. We were hoping Ms Campbell would have the courage to come back and at least attempt to defend her false beliefs, but perhaps this was just another gay christian trolling exercise.

    Sigh.

    Re: update. As expected, those who propogate false doctrine cannot defend it when it is questioned using God’s word as a standard.

  12. To Ms.Campbell:
    Fornication:by definition,sexual immorality of all kinds; Jesus spoke against it thus: “Matt 15:19-20
    For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: Matt 15:19-20
    Paul: “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”
    1 Cor 6:9 Men with men, women with women, or men and women outside of marriage, is sexual immorality called fornication, it is unrighteousness and they that do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    The Apostle John: “No one who lives in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen Him or known Him.” 1 John 3:6 NIV
    There is no bigotry or hatred here, it is teaching the word of God in truth and love.

  13. On all of this, I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but for higher reasons then some would think.
    God cannot help someone that is going to use his help for sin, and I believe one sin would sooner, or later lead to another till one day the Christian homosexual would forsake the faith for the lust of the heart.

    Now I was raised to believe there is only one sin, now that Jesus died for our sins, and raised from the dead, being Lord, savior, son of God.
    And, anyone that does not believe this, has committed the sin until death.
    And, Jesus does teach repentance from sin, note this. Every time he healed someone, he often said your sins are forgiven, healed them, then go, and sin no more.
    Sin seems to be the reason for the sicknesses, and troubles in our lives. And if we continue down that path, worst may happen to us.
    What we need to pray for is wisdom for the would be homosexual to understand their lifestyle may soon harm them if they continue.
    They as believers in Christ might be having trouble trying to repent from their sins, they maybe earnest believers, but not strong enough right now to accept a sudden change of repentance.
    But a good strong relationship with the Lord will change all that, praying, getting to know the Lord will bring healing, even unto a reprobate mind, don’t you think???

    I too, have a friend of mine, she is a lesbian, she is a Christian, but currently suffering from a proverbs 28:13 problem, if you know what I mean.
    I still think she doesn’t get it, but she is learning, and I can see God starting to teach her, especially in what I believe to be the last days before the return of the Lord.
    Her unbeliever lesbian friends are becoming not so trusting living their fleshly lives.
    She is facing deceitfulness on all sides.
    Think a woman is better then a man? I don’t think so, we are all sinners falling short of the glory of God.

    And, to any believing homosexual, soon you might want to become celibate, because time is coming where petty lust, or desires will be nothing compared to the frightening events that are about to take place.
    People will become deceitful, especially if they are trying to fulfill lust of the flesh.
    They will only care for themselves, and nobody else.

    This is the only thing that I pray for on christian homosexuals. Father God give them unlimited knowledge, unlimited knowledge for them to be responsible for, wisdom, and understanding. But the knowledge they shall have will be the scary part. For they will now know people that will go to hell because of watching them sin, if they do not do something about it, their ways may incur age someone else to sin, because in the end, its about salvation, and winning souls, not sexual preference.
    In the name of Jesus I pray?

    Do you want your unbelieving homosexual friends to go to hell? Sin demonstrates sin, for others to sin again thinking its safe.
    God bless…

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