Breaking revelation: homosexuality is not a “gift” from God

Homosexual behavior is a judgment from God! Does that get your attention? If so, lets talk. 

Homosexuality has been argued by the gay christian movement —by way of the gay political movement— as something inherent in one’s identity. More and more, gay religionists are injecting a divisive lie into the church that it was God who gave them homosexual desires they have. Nothing could be further from the truth!  Consider what homosexual theologians and their supporters have begun to declare:

[1] I am here tonight, admittedly, to support a minority position in the church. It is, however, a growing, vital and seriously grounded point of view. It is a view held by many of the most respected academics, thousands of clergy, and hundreds of thousands of American Christians. So, it may be a minority position, but due to the results of serious research recently given to it, homosexuality as a gift of God is becoming a respected position in the church.” Steven Kindle, Clergy United for the Equality of Homosexuals

And this:

[2] I believe that God creates us with different gifts. Each one of us comes into this world with a different collection of things that challenge us and things that give us joy and allow us to bless the world around us. Some people come into this world with affections ordered toward other people of the same gender and some people come into this world with affections directed at people of the other gender.” Katharine Jefferts Schori, Presiding Bishop, Episcopal Church

But as I was reading on Neil’s blog last week, I discovered a “revelation” that I had not seen before. I study the Bible quite a bit and I believe it. I have looked at what it says and understood not only the prohibition of sexual expression outside of the male-famale marriage model, but have also understood the intent of that prohibition.

But, study as much as you like, there is always something more the Holy Spirit will reveal. That’s the richness and depthof God’s Word.  Indeed, the eyes of my understanding were enlightened even more as I read what Neil had written. In his exposition of Romans 1, here’s what he said in part, or at least the part that caught my attention:

The main problem for the pro-gay theologians is that the original Greek says that they abandoned their natural functions, not their natural desires.  Romans 1 mentions three times that “God gave them over . . .”  He gave them over to these desires.  They burned in desire for one another, so they weren’t acting outside their desires.  But they weren’t using their natural functions.  Read this carefully:

Romans 1:26-27 (NASB95) For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,  and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Some people try to say that function is synonymous with desire, and that the gays “function” as gays so they are doing what comes naturally.  But this view requires that you ignore the plain meaning of function plus the part of v. 27 that says “the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another . . .” 

There is no way around this.  No matter how hard people try to twist it, this passage is about people abandoning the opposite sex for same-sex partners.   It is very tightly and clearly written – almost as if God anticipated all the arguments that would be brought against this passage today.

What was stunning to me was that Romans 1:26-27 clearly teaches that homosexual behavior is not a matter of one choosing to act on what has been innately implanted. The false, but conventional “wisdom” is that one is born with the feelings which then naturally progress into behavior. This is certainly not a natural progression of sexual identity. Homosexual behavior is the result of a person refusing to reject their ungodly desires (commonly referred to by homosexual activists and some church folk as “orientation”).  Homosexual behavior (including lesbianism) is a punishment from God. For those who think that just having the feelings but never acting on them is a centrist passe, it is not. This is tighter than even I had thought. As a reference, don’t forget Jesus tightened the rules on sexual conduct by saying that if a person even looks on another with lustful intent, they have committed committed the act. (Matt 5:28).

God is just as against the desires, as he is the very fruit of such desires. If one refuses to reject these desires, it will release divine judgment. A person will be “given over”.  This is not good in any sense. It is not necessarily reprobation, but it is the beginning of a slide into a reprobative prison of sin.  To phrase “give over” comes from the greek paradidomi which means to “betray, bring forth, cast, commit, deliver (up), give (over, up), hazard, put in prison, recommend.”

John Piper said, “This disorder and decay in our lives and in our society and in our universe is the judgment of God, and is meant by him to be seen as a terrible drama of a horrific underlying spiritual evil.”

I have had some people tell me they don’t act on their desires, but still consider themselves homosexual and Christian. This is a grave error in judgment and I have news. Don’t become comfortable with your desires. In time, God will allow you to have what you have desired and it will be beyond your control.  For God to allow you to become subject to to dark cravings of your flesh,  is perhaps the worst thing you could ever encounter.

This thing is serious. Do not listen, agree with or protect the liars who are telling the church that God gave them their desires and thus, He approves of their behavior. It is a damning lie for anyone who buys into it.

I implore you to weigh the words of Christ against those who lie using His name as a cover.

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.  But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. Rev. 22:14-15

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20 thoughts on “Breaking revelation: homosexuality is not a “gift” from God

  1. wow! a lot on the plate here DL. thanks!

    Paul wrote Romans 8: 12 So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh–

    13 for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

    14 For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    I may desire the unholy till the day I die, but if I live by the spirit till the day I die, I put to death my sins daily.

    and this Romans 15: 4 For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

    5 Now may the God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus,

    6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    I would ask anyone to pray and ask God why their desires do not fit God’s word and will. God will answer! We will indeed learn to hate the sin in our own lives and give proper worship, thanks and praise to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ!

    blessings DL!

  2. footnote to my comment: true repentance comes in the form of hating what God hates. In true repentance is born a new child, a child of God!

  3. It is always absolutely amazing to me how straight people assume they can speak to and make judgments about the experience of gay people. For the record, I am gay (celibate by choice and call), religious, and a minister of the gospel.

    Do any of you actually, really dialogue with a gay person? I would be happy to sit down with any of you anytime over coffee basically to convey with utter certainty that we gays do not choose our identity. Whether it is genetic or a matter of environment is not of primary importance. The fact is nearly every gay person experiences his homosexality as “received.” It is just there.

    What Christians of all stripes should be endeavoring to do is helping gays integrate their sexuality into their personhood. Good theology must be good psychology and vice versa. If not, it fails in its basic mission.

    Quoting Ss. passages is meaningless. It really is. Ss was and still could be used to condone slavery, outlaw banks, and stone adulterers. In fact, it mandates that homosexuals be stoned to death. Any bible thumpers out there for that? C’mon, say it. You’ll expose yourselves for the lunatic fringe that you say you’re not. In reality, you and the Islamofascists are all too much alike. Sad.

    GCMW: Interesting. A false prophet who wants to have coffee and talk.

  4. Chris, glad to hear you are celibate. That’s a good start.

    Yes, I talk with gay people, but not about their sex lives (just as I don’t talk to straights about their sex lives).

    I’ve read much about how abuse and / or relationship issues make people more likely to choose homosexual lifestyles. Regardless of the root cause the Bible clearly describes it as a sin so it is profoundly unloving to encourage someone to pursue that behavior.

    I’m not sure what you mean by “Ss. passages.” Yes, if you take things out of context as the pro-gay theologians do, then of course you could “condone” slavery and stone adulterers. But if you understand some simple concepts like the distinction between moral laws and ceremonial laws then it really isn’t that complicated.

    I realize that the “stoning homosexuals” and “shellfish” arguments are cute sound bites that may sway the uninformed, but people who understand the Bible know better.

    P.S. Silly ad hominem attacks like equating us with Islamofascists expose your radical bias desperation. Sad.

  5. Chris: If I understand the gospel of Jesus Christ correctly, if my nature or desire does not line up with holy scriptures, then I would want a new nature, desire, mind; that is, if I want to be all that God INTENDED for me to be. That goes for any nature that doesn’t line up with scripture. Is my understanding wrong?

  6. Chris, I find it bizarre that someone who says they are a minister of the Gospel would say that quoting passages was meaningless. Of course you can take things out of context to support errant views – just like the pro-gay theologians do. But that doesn’t mean we ignore scripture.

    Saying we are like Islamofascists shows how weak and desperate your position is.

  7. Lets see. A self-identified Christian minister who believes that quoting Christian scripture is meaningless. But he wants to have coffee and talk. Gee, What oh what will we talk about?

    Chris are all gay christian ministers this way? Or is it just you. It seems like that you are obeying the will of your master’s bidding. Under a spell, perhaps?

    We’d like to take you seriously but, that statement borders on spiritual insanity. There’s no way there can be an intelligent conversation, let alone mutally beneficial with someone who wants to negate the very body of evidence he draws his alleged spiritual identity.

    As Neil noted…most bizarre.

  8. Thanks Chris for standing up against old “wifes tales” and superstitions. The Lord I serve does not make mistakes, we make the mistake of making a self proclaimed mockery of the most beautiful creation I know; the earth and the fullness thereof. This great country we live in I am sorry to say is sexually driven which is a choice we all make If I were so against “homosexuality, I would not sing the songs they write, or utilize the benefits/values they produce to make your miserable, and boring life a little more bearable.
    But we can still look up to “straight” clergy whose sexual immoralities put so called “gay” sins to shame. Not to mention the anger produced by rap artist, who you really should be worried about. Sure I am monogamous by nature and there are countless others who posses these traits. If everybody was born to breed we would be in a “hell” of a fix.
    The Lord will always fix it as to where you will need the very ones you condemn.
    Watch out there are gay doctors, lawyers etc. to whom you or your loved ones might have to depend on one day.

  9. gcmwatch,

    I have often been challenged with the idea that God’s permissive will is involved with the reason why evil, sin and death occur on this earth.

    Some fellow Christians have stated that there is “no such thing.” Only God’s Perfect Will is happening.

    When I read this portion of your post, I thought, again, about God’s permissive will being carried out:

    “…God will allow you to have what you have desired and it will be beyond your control. For God to allow you to become subject to to dark cravings of your flesh, is perhaps the worst thing you could ever encounter.”

    When Jesus prayed that the Father’s will be “done on earth, as it is in heaven,” doesn’t that indicate that God’s perfect will for us (meaning, what he would most desire for us) isn’t done on this earth since we need to continually pray for His will to be done here?

    Admittedly, I need some biblical, scholarly help with this concept. I’m sure that there are additional BIble verses that can clear up the confusion on this issue.

    Neil, you’re a genius for discovering and sharing the the “natural functions” vs. “natural desires” distinction. Yet, commenters like Alfred still refuse to see their errors in thinking on this matter. Why? Because he, and those like him are biased.

    Alfred, you make the mistake of comparing the good, temporal contributions of people who self-identify as homosexual with disdain for the spiritual warnings of disasterthat Gcmwatch, Neil, Mark, Sheba and I have attempted to point out to you.

    Pointing out the sins of straight clergy to boost your opinion is a non-sequiter. One does not make a correct argument against another by making a comment that does not follow and doesn’t hold water.

    All sins put all people to shame! However, you seem to want to wave away any homosexual person’s sins and then place them on some sort of carnal, temporal, and “noble” pedestal. Guess what that does? It makes them into an idol. The Ten Commandments clearly tell us God’s view of idols.

    This is a terrific post that I plan to keep in my files for future reference. It is eye-opening and solidly biblical!

  10. Thanks, Christine, but I owe that bit of knowledge to Greg Koukl at Stand to Reason ministries and his “Setting the Record Straight” mp3 files. (www.str.org)

    Alfred notes that “The Lord I serve does not make mistakes” but he misuses that truth. The way he applies that reasoning (to validate homosexual behavior) would also mean that the heterosexual sins he cites aren’t sins either. But of course they are sins.

  11. Christine I have taught that no citizen of the Kingdom of God (contrast that to a member of the church) should ever desire anything but the will of God.
    I would not advise the teaching of “two wills” of God.
    As you noted, Jesus prayed let “thy will” be done. To me the flesh and its weaknesses want “permissiveness”, but the Spirit yearns for the will of God which is not permissive in the context of its manifestation in our lives.

    I think the “permissive will” is something derived from scripture, but it is not optimum for a follower of Jesus Christ.

    The word permissive to me carries a negative connotation. I cant cite scripture right now, but I beleive there is ample evidence that anything that God “permitted” generally was not a good thing for the beneficiary.

    I would not say this situation with homosexuality and its accompanying consequences is the permissive will of God. I am an advocate for The Will of God. It is the will of God that we live holy and possess our bodies in santification and honor. When we violate his will, then the consequences are unavoidable, sans mercy.

    This is a very good point you bring out here. Neil I hope you will shed some light. And any others. who want to.

    I think that Alfred and others who interpret scripture through permissive eyes, on based on arguments like silence is consent are doomed to lived fatally flawed lives and worse…suffer punishment in eternity.

  12. You’re welcome, Neil. I still think you rank as a genius for sharing that great Word!

    DL,

    I agree that God does not have “two wills.”

    I agree with what you said here:

    “I would not say this situation with homosexuality and its accompanying consequences is the permissive will of God. I am an advocate for The Will of God. It is the will of God that we live holy and possess our bodies in santification and honor. When we violate his will, then the consequences are unavoidable, sans mercy.”

    So, maybe what I am trying to say is that when we violate his will and experience unavoidable consequences for doing so, we need to rely on His mercy?

    I am having trouble trying to explain. I will try again. But even this time, I am feeling that my question is difficult to convey.

    I think that it was at a Bible study, years ago, that the concept of “permissive will” came up. It was brought up in a discussion regarding the current restraining affect of the Holy Spirit of God here on earth. Once we are raptured, the Restrainer will no longer keep the evil sin and death under control. It will be chaos on earth and the Tribulation will begin.

    My question is more about considering if , within God’s Perfect Will, there exists the temporary necessity for permissiveness…even for sin and evil…while humankind is in the midst of reconciliation unto God. Perhaps another way to put it is in realizing that if God were to remove all those who sin or are involved in evil, then we ALL would perish!

    I’m not explaining this very well and I apologize for that.

    Of course, we know that Jesus solved the sin problem, once and for all. However, it is only those who confess, repent and believe in Him that forgiveness, mercy, grace and reconcilation is applied to that individual’s soul.

    Those who reject Jesus are still under condemnation.

    In Scripture, we read that God doesn’t want anyone to perish. However, we know that those who reject His Son, Jesus Christ, will perish and spend eternity separated from God forever.
    Jesus told us:

    Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    Ahh!! I’m getting off of the subject!

    I guess this subject is on my mind because I just did a blog post about Countering Stealth-like Apostasy.

    Another reason why I brought this up is because I have a Christian friend who once wrote that she “was in the Perfect Will of God” when she was raped by a relative. That just doesn’t sound right to me. Doesn’t God weep with us when we are harmed by evil? God allowed it to happen to her and He will “turn what was meant for evil towards good.” But the act of evil wasn’t in His Perfect Will for her life, was it?

    I see God’s Perfect Will as being evident that no matter what transpires here on this earth, the good, the bad, and the ugly, God will use it towards good. At the culmination of history, God’s Perfect Will ; established before the world even began, will be fulfilled. All the prophecies of the Bible will be fulfilled. Jesus already fulfilled most of the 300 + prophecies concerning the Messiah in his first coming. The rest will be fulfilled at his second coming.

    Perhaps I am in error. Please correct me if I am. Maybe the fact that I can only “see as through a glass darkly,” I simply perceive this “permissive will” concept so that I can understand God and His Word better. It is like I can only see the back side of a tapestry…just a bunch of jumbled up threads (my fallible concept of “permissive will”), yet, from God’s perpective, a beautiful tapestry (His Infallible Perfect Will) is being woven throughout history.

    Sorry for rambling on so much in this comment!

  13. Thanx for the natural function v. natural desire clarification. Also, the warning that God will allow you to have what you have desired and it will be beyond your control is chilling. I have been praying daily for God to show a friend out of homosexuality. This person became gay later in life. I prayed with a guilty and diffident heart because I thought that I was being judgmental, pushy. I thought maybe this lifestyle was his journey and this was what he had to experience in this lifetime. After reading your essay, I will pray, confidently for this man’s path to lead out of this lifestyle. Thank you.

  14. Christine, again thanks for this point. As I was thinking the clearest biblical example that came was when Jesus was questioned about divorce.

    3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
    4″Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
    7″Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
    8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

    He said the Moses allowed it (permitted) because of the hardness of the people’s hearts. But God never approved for it to be so. Some might argue that God installed Moses as leader, thus by extension Moses was acting as God. This is not applicable when the leader does not follow God’s will. Moses, in this case broke and lowered the standard to meet the desire of the people, without God’s approval.

    Moreover, this is a case of our “freewill” in action as opposed to God’s permissive will.

    In Mt 19:3-8 Jesus highlighted two things:(1) that it is people’s ungodly desires that result in some things attributed to the “permissive will of God”. (2) that God had never agreed to it.

    His will, or better stated for clarity standards (which is his Word) always remains the same.

    I think that the concept of permissive will is a product of this desire for things outside of the will of God and then renamed so as to make it look like God somehow approved or sanctioned it. But its not a accurate attribution to God.

    That is my understanding of the matter.
    I do encourage more discussion on it as I think it is a good solid response to gcm “love” arguments.

  15. ALL sexual immorality is sinful. I’m always astounded at the efforts made to condone homosexuality, as if God says that all sexual immorality is wrong EXCEPT homosexuality.

    It’s interesting, too, that although I have not seen it here, I have seen many other places that, “I was just born that way.” Ok. Isn’t the point to be born AGAIN? A man cannot serve two masters; he must love one and hate the other.

    And no, I’m not homophobic. Nor do I hate homosexuals or sexually immoral people. I just have no problem calling a problem to carpet. I can’t book Heaven or hell for anyone here. All I can do is plant the seed of truth, which is anyone’s to accept or reject.

    Can we just call sin what it is and repent and sincerely try to do better? (That goes for homosexuals, fornicators, adulterers, pulpit pimps, liars, thieves, vainglorius attitudes, drunkards and idolaters, too).

    Blessings…
    -DJ

  16. Take a look at what Romans has to say about the unnaturalness of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 => ( talking about God’s wrath on unrighteousness…this is a long passage and I didn’t want to start at Verse 1 because you might not have read it).

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    The two verses themselves should leave absolutely no doubt in anyone’s mind that there is no excusing, condoning, or justifying any sexual immorality, including homosexuality. It’s just wrong. It’s in the Word.

    And then, if still in doubt, take a look at 1 Cor 6:9:

    9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    Blessings…
    DJ

  17. Excellent scripture study. When a society proliferates with this sin, it is sure sign that it is turning its back on sound biblical teaching. The growth of homosexuality coincides with the deemphasis of the cross and the blood. Even the music in the church today is theologically weaker. Sin creeps in when breaches in the wall of truth are allowed to develop.

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