Soulforce member says drugs, stress cause homosexuality

Mr. Chip Lee sent this comment to GCM Watch in defense of Soulforce’s less than honest tactics during its “American Family Outing”.  The statement is posted without any corrections on our part:

Being that I was a part of Soulforce for the American Family Outing you all don’t have any idea how much we where subjected to with lies, back stabbing hurtful words from people of God. Most people because they are not born Gay, Lesbian trans of intersex have clue what is it like to live under the misunderstandings of scripture. The rainbow community of believers can go toe to toe with scripture and life experience that God is with us.We have had to research, pray plead and study out our salvation in such intensity that you could only imagine to make sure Jesus Christ was with us. You are so misinformed and will held accountable for the deaths and for the most of the immority [sic] that goes on in the Rainbow community because you did not want to understand and open you hearts and minds like our Lord Jesus. it is sad so very sad to me. If you have to know how much God loves and likes us study about eunachs [sic], study about the fact that men lying with men where the hetro sexual men that where showing their contril[sic] and power by raping their enemy. Then contining [sic] to lie with men as if they where women because they where perverted in their born nature of being hetro. Sexual and Gender indenity[sic] are formed because of hormone washings, you can sit there and say GOSH no Mother could ever have any hormone washings but perfect ones, GET A CLUE: DRUGS, STRESS AND OTHER INFLUENCES CAN CHANGE OUR IDENTITIES. i KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. wake up and get off the ban[sic] wagon of hateful comments” (caps his).

You are welcome to comment on Mr. Lee’s many assertions.

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15 thoughts on “Soulforce member says drugs, stress cause homosexuality

  1. How disturbing to see someone “begging” for God’s acceptance as well as ours. Mr. Lee’s comments of them having to “pray, plead and study out our salvation in such intensity that you could only imagine to make sure Jesus Christ was with us” is very sad to see.

    That’s a lot of work just to make sure one’s saved! All I can say is if and when Mr. Lee could ever accept true salvation, only then will he know the meaning of being set free! No more begging, pleading, studying out of the salvation just to get Jesus.

    The other stuff I just won’t comment on.

    Praying for him.

  2. Mr. Lee, I just have one thing to say…..Read “The Same-Sex Controversy,” by James White and Jeffrey Niell. Once you read that, then get back to us and lets discuss.

    No one is denying God loves you and no one is witholding God’s love for you. I don’t have the power to do so. As the Bible states that Christ died once for ALL. Yet, when we were yet sinners, Christ died for us…now that’s love!

    However, until you are ready to lose your life…all that is about you, to find it in Him, you will continue to view life thru the lens of your sexuality. Therefore, it’s not Christ that comes first in your life, but your experience and emotions.

    Lastly, since the issue of homosexuality is questionable in the Bible, then should not the idea of salvation be questionable also, on the basis of possible misinterpretation of doctrine or moral instruction? Therefore, how do you know you are saved?

    …just a thought

  3. Gee, it all sounds to logical to me… as he says, “i KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.” Experience is THE criterion for how we know truth… right?

    I know I’m a book-reading freak of nature (having read 71 on this issue in 11 months) but I wish illiterates such as these would take the time to read something other than the Pro Gay propaganda. I have read 28 of their books and have found them weighed in the balance and found wanting. I would particularly recommend reading James B. De Young’s book, “Homosexuality: Contemporary Claims Examined in the Light of the Bible and Other Ancient Literature and Law” (Grand Rapids: Kregel, 2000)

    The Pro-Gay apologists are not merely bad exegetes of Scripture and Scripture hating liberal theologians, they’re poor scholars and flat out liars. John Boswell, for example, has been proven to misquote historical documents and completely leaves out all evidence that doesn’t support his thesis. He reminds of the way JW’s treat church history in their arguments against the doctrine of the Trinity – total deliberate historical revisionism.

  4. This is what Eddie Long, TD Jakes, Rick Warren and others are saying yes to. Its unimaginable that these men would even agree to entertain such base foolishness. But they did, with open arms and no resistance whatsoever.

    Its evident Mr. Lee believes the press he is putting out, but so did the henchmen surrounding Hitler so “experience” is not a valid qualifier in these matters. Because human experience varies from person to person, there is only ONE sure way of knowing whether our experiences are congruent with the will of God.

    That’s why I advocate a very simple solution. Take what comes out of the mouths of Mr. Lee, Mel White and the other soulenforcers, radical inclusionistas, affirming crowd et al and compare it to what has come out of the mouth of God. Unless you willfully want to believe a lie, you will see a stark contrast.

  5. I do not understand why Mr. Lee is twisting scripture to justify a lifestyle that is an abomination to God. That is the big excuse with Soulforce and other GLBT groups. I agree with Carlotta; he is not going to be free until he accepts true salvation of Jesus Christ.

  6. It is interesting that even if you try to look at this from an unbiased point of view, it looks like they searched the Scriptures to find acceptance for their behavior. As far as I can discern, Scripture is not about us looking in it to make sure it condones what we do, but rather building our lives around its teachings.

    He also said that we will not open our minds “like the Lord Jesus”. Jesus, the one from the Gospels at least, was an extremely closed-minded person by today’s standards. He did not deal with people’s FEELINGS, or what they THOUGHT was right and wrong.

    Lastly, what facts support that “men lying with men” had anything to do with straight men acting like they were homosexual? As far as I can tell from such passages, the problem was simply men lying with men…not WHY they were doing it.

    GCMW: Christopher, you made a very honest assessment without any “deep revelation”. That is the simplicity of God’s word. When it is clear, it is clear. But what Lee and those who lead him do is what you said: they tell the Word what they want it to say when it doesnt agree with their sin. It takes a great deal of effort to twist what is plain in scripture. Sad. Just sad.

  7. The heretic named Mr. Lee says:

    You are so misinformed and will held accountable for the deaths and for the most of the immority [sic] that goes on in the Rainbow community because you did not want to understand and open you hearts and minds like our Lord Jesus.

    Not only does he promote the sin of homosexuality, but he also wants to blame people who admonish him for promoting sin and anything that occurs in the “Rainbow Community” (band of reprobates). Making immoral behavior everything that is “right” and to offer correction everything that is “wrong”. He’s trying to turn righteousness on its head! This is a reprobate mind speaking, well described in Romans 1. Not following God in truth, but a false god of their flesh.

    If you have to know how much God loves and likes us study about eunachs [sic], study about the fact that men lying with men where the hetro sexual men that where showing their contril[sic] and power by raping their enemy.

    God hates sin and He hates the sinners that refuse the truth, so much so that they will burn in the lake of fire for eternity. Romans 9:13 does not say God hates sin and loves the sinner, it says He hates some, sinners. Refuse the truth and you stand with Esau!

    You’d be better as a eunuch Mr. Lee. Because Matthew 19 is only about male to female marriage or you don’t sleep with anyone. There is no homosexual, trans or other mess allowed and Jesus never affirms such. Only male to female in marriage, or have no sexual activity of any kind.

    I could hack scripture like Mr. Lee and claim people who “steal” are actually liars, but people who take physical property are not stealing, that’s not what the Bible is talking about. “Steal” was not talking about taking property, but misleading words, stealing from truth. And start my own little Soulforce for thieves.

    Sexual and Gender indenity[sic] are formed because of hormone washings,

    See I could use junk like this for my Soulforce for thieves idea. I could say the thief has had various hormone washings before birth, that make them take property that is not their own and claim their mind shows different areas as more active on brain scans. It’s all an effort to satisfy THE FLESH NOT FOLLOW THE COMMANDS OF GOD.

    Just as these homosexuals of Soulforce claim their sin is OK, because of what is going on in their flesh, so can the thief say of their desires to steal.

    GET A CLUE: DRUGS, STRESS AND OTHER INFLUENCES CAN CHANGE OUR IDENTITIES. i KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

    The prisons are full of people who had parents who did drugs and had stressful lives. Using the Mr. Lee logic, the real saints are on death row! And not the ones on death row who say they’ve found Jesus and preach against what they did, but rather those who embrace their crime and embrace genetics as justification for their wayward actions.

  8. “That’s why I advocate a very simple solution. Take what comes out of the mouths of Mr. Lee, Mel White and the other soulenforcers, radical inclusionistas, affirming crowd et al and compare it to what has come out of the mouth of God. Unless you willfully want to believe a lie, you will see a stark contrast.”

    Amen Pastor Foster, You could not have said it better!

    Matthew 7:15-20 describes Soulforce and Mr. Lee and the GCM!
    [15] Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    [16] Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    [20] Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

    GCMW: been noticing those smileys popping up at the oddest points. Use brackets until I find out whats wrong.

  9. Pastor Foster
    I do not know why the 8s come up with those weird smiley faces??? I am not intentionally doing that!

  10. Please, someone, anyone…. What are hormone washings? Is this some attempt at scientific explanation? What is Mr. Lee’s point of reference?

  11. Hi Elder Jimmy,

    I came across this in Wikipedia.com. It appears that hormone washings are tied to hyperparathyroidism. What this has to do with Mr. Lee justify homosexuality is beyond. This is part of a procedure to determine calcium levels, from what I was reading.

    Role in disease

    [edit] Hyperparathyroidism and related conditions
    The single major disease of parathyroid glands is overactivity of one or more of the parathyroid lobes, which make too much parathyroid hormone causing a potentially serious calcium imbalance. This is called hyperparathyroidism; it leads to hypercalcemia and osteitis fibrosa cystica. Since hyperparathyroidism was first described in 1925, the symptoms have become known as “moans, groans, stones, and bones.” The primary treatment for this disease is the surgical removal of the faulty gland.

    Modern high frequency ultrasound can see parathyroid masses, even before they cause high calcium. They are called parathyroid incidentalomas. If a patient has elevated calcium, the ultrasound can be used to locate the abnormal glands. The use of ultrasound guided FNA, and parathyroid hormone washings can confirm the abnormal glands. A blood calcium 15-30 minutes after the biopsy can help determine if the disease is caused by a single abnormal gland or multiple glands.

    A drop in serum calcium suggests a single source, and no drop suggests multiple glands. This, with a non-localizing Sestamibi scan would point toward a neck exploration, rather than a minimally invasive method aimed a single gland disease.

    A Sestamibi scan is often used to determine which parathyroid gland(s) are responsible for overproduction of parathyroid hormone.

    Another related condition is called secondary hyperparathyroidism, or secondary HPT – common in patients with chronic kidney disease on dialysis. In secondary HPT, the parathyroid glands make too much parathyroid hormone (PTH), and the kidneys do not produce enough vitamin D, and calcium and phosphorus are out of balance. Even though one may not have any symptoms, treating secondary HPT is important. Cinacalcet (Sensipar) is a medicine that can help treat such dialysis patients and is available by prescription only.

  12. Amen James and Christopher, well put.

    I must say Mr. Lee I do agree with you when you say “DRUGS, STRESS AND OTHER INFLUENCES CAN CHANGE OUR IDENTITIES”. I also believe that for the same reason the Bible asks us to avoid alcohol, we must avoid drugs. It makes us vulnerable to posession by demons and confusion from satan. God also asks you not to stress, but give your troubles for Him to handle.

    Your troubles started at latest when you did not have faith in God to handle your problems and turned to mind altering substances. You are a sinner as Jesus described in I Timothy 9-10, but if you go on to vs. 13 Paul explains that he received mercy because he sinned ignorantly in disbelief. You seem to know you are sinning or you wouldn’t “…have had to research, pray plead and study out our salvation in such intensity that you could only imagine….”

    Repent; for the hour of His judgement is come! Rev 14:6-11

  13. Thank you for your website – such a wonderful ministry and so needed.

    GCMW wrote:
    ” been noticing those smileys popping up at the oddest points. Use brackets until I find out whats wrong.”

    I’m no computer expert by any means, however regarding the mystery smiley icons that pop up now and again.

    Those usually occur when you have combined the right “computer language” (for lack of the right terms) for a specific ’emoticon’ image.

    So, for instance, when you are quoting a Scripture within parentheses and the verse reference ends in the number “8” you will get: the following:
    {Matthew 7:18)

    The number 8 followed by ) gives you 8)

    As GCMW wrote, using a ‘right’ bracket solves the problem:
    [Matthew 7:18]

    Perhaps an expert programmer can explain much better. I hope this illustration works out, otherwise I’ve just wasted some of your bandwidth!
    Lois

    GCMW: Thanks Lois, you did an expert job at explaining that. I would have still been thumbing through “Internet for Dummies, Vol 33” LOL

  14. I don’t get Mr. Lee’s point about the “hormone washings”. Yes, unbalanced hormones in a pregnant woman can cause birth defects, but he is claiming that homosexuality is not a defect — he contradicts himself.
    Also, many people are at risk, due to hereditary DNA, for a number of pathologies, i.e., alcoholism, durg addiction, TB, lung cancer, diabetes, heart disease… And guess what? They don’t engage in the behavior (with God’s help in the name of Jesus Christ) that will bring about the disease. They don’t drink, do drugs or smoke and they maintain a good weight and diet.
    Hmmmmmm… something for Mr. Lee to think about

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