Would you be fooled?

Remember that game where you had to figure out what was different between two very simular looking pictures?Well, if you’ve been paying attention since reading GCM Watch, this should be a breeze for you.

First,  do this warm up. Look at the picture below and point out what’s different between the mike #1 and mike #2. After you finish that, read this “belief statement” from a new gay church (in yellow highlight box) and tell me how it differs from the beliefs a of a true biblical church.

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We Believe the Bible to be the inspired written word of God.

We Believe that there is only One true and living God, eternally manifested in the persons of :”God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit: yet not three eternals but ONE.

We Believe in the Blessed Hope, which is the rapture/catching away of the Church, the bride of Christ at His glorious return.

We Believe that the only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in the precious Blood of Jesus Christ.

We Believe in being baptized (COMPLETELY IMMERSED) in water as the first work of obedience following repentance.

We believe in the sanctifying and regenerative power of the Holy Spirit through which the believer is able the live a godly, spirit filled life through Christ.

We believe that the redemptive work of Christ on the Cross of Calvary makes salvation available to all people.

We believe in healing for the human body in answer to believing prayer, according to James 5:14

We believe in the priesthood of every believer, every believer has direct access to God through Jesus Christ and is called to live with spiritual authority, power and grace. (1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:16)

We believe in the “who so ever will” intentionally inclusive love of God through Jesus Christ, As a result, we are called to love, affirm and welcome all people to the table of the Lord. John 3:16

We believe in the support of Christ’s body, the Church through the practice of tithing,

We believe in the spiritual principles of sowing and reaping. Malachi 3:6-12

This church (I dont want to give the name) looks and feels like it might be “straight” (npi), but something gives it away. The object of the exercise is to judge churches by their beliefs, not by how well the pastor dresses, preaches, gives to the poor or how bangin the choir is, etc.

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42 thoughts on “Would you be fooled?

  1. this statement of faith looks similar to the COGIC statement of faith except for the last three points…this statement of faith looks like its in conflict with itself…first you have:

    We Believe that the only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in the precious Blood of Jesus Christ.

    then theres:

    We believe in the “who so ever will” intentionally inclusive love of God through Jesus Christ, As a result, we are called to love, affirm and welcome all people to the table of the Lord. John 3:16

    inclusive and affirm are GCM buzz words…so this statement of faith seems to say that you are cleansed from some sins through repentance and faith in Jesus…but other certain “sins” arent really sin…the other conflict is the tithing issue…they use the OT to support tithing but discount what the OT says about homosexuality…maybe im reading too much into it….

  2. “We believe in the sanctifying and regenerative power of the Holy Spirit through which the believer is able the live a godly, spirit filled life through Christ.”

    Yet, they say that it is impossible for them to change from being homosexual, and that therefore it is not a sin to engage in homosexual acts. Even while both the NT and the OT condemn them.

    “We believe in the priesthood of every believer, every believer has direct access to God through Jesus Christ and is called to live with spiritual authority, power and grace. (1 Peter 2:9, Revelation 1:16)”

    Yet if this is a church that welcomes unrepentant homosexuals, they deny Scriptural authority and power not to company with unrepentant sinners.

    “We believe in the “who so ever will” intentionally inclusive love of God through Jesus Christ, As a result, we are called to love, affirm and welcome all people to the table of the Lord. John 3:16”

    Actually, this is taking a true statement and putting it so far out of balance as to make it a falsehood. As a previous commenter put it, “affirm” is a GCM buzz-word, which would make me suspect this; but putting aside the question of homosexual behavior in particular, but any sin in general, would they “affirm and welcome” an unrepentant murder, rapist, thief, etc., to the Lord’s table? Repentant people, sure — we’re all sinners, so to exclude sinners would be to exclude everyone — but the unrepentant? Are we to affirm people in their sin? What about the many verses that speak of leaving sin, and of non-repentant people “not inheriting the kingdom of God”?

    Jesus refused many people, because they did not come in repentance — “I came not to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance,” “you generation of vipers,” “many are called but few are chosen,” and so forth. Even the great “Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden” is both inclusive and exclusive — inclusive in “come all ye,” yet exclusive in that only those who “labor and are heavy laden” are bidden.

    People who are not burdened by their sins are not invited to share the yoke of Christ. As the scribes and Pharisees of Jesus’ day did not consider themselves sinners (because they kept the Jewish Law, but “omitted the weightier points of the law”), even so homosexuals who do not see their behavior as sin cannot see themselves as sinners, and therefore do not need a Savior.

  3. Kathy, thanks for your very insightful remarks. I think gay churches use the scriptures more as euphemisms than anything. Its almost impossible to agree with the scriptures and one’s own sins not be challenged.

    They avoid this like a plague.

  4. Being gay is not a sin. There is nothing wrong with two men or two women loving each other. I hope Wanda Sykes will get you all to understand that gay marriage is civil right.

  5. ^according to who?…Wanda Sykes is not my go-to person on what sin is or isnt…will you still be on board with her if she decides to switch back to being heterosexual again?

  6. They can write that on a piece of paper, but that’s just on paper. The paper is not going to stand before God. The people in that church are. Are you living what you write. Nuff said

  7. Who is he calling “you all”? Us black folk? Because last time I checked Wanda Sykes wasnt professing Christ.

    Brayden looks like you have already been fooled.

  8. Brayden W you may as well not even post any more because you’re trying to change our minds about what we know the word says regarding men with men and women with women. We stand on the word of God concerning this. Our opinions don’t matter to God . It’s what His word says that matters. That’s just the way it is. We must live for God in Heaven only and not ourselves

  9. The cover story of this week’s Newsweek says that Gay Marriage is not prohibited in the Bible. Are you telling me that Alice Walker, Langston Hughes, Johnny Mathis, and Nona Hendryx are all bad people because of their sexual orientation? My point is that since Wanda Sykes came out of the closet she will be about to get you people to understand that gays and lesbians deserve equal rights and that voting against Prop 8 in California was wrong.

  10. “Are you telling me that Alice Walker, Langston Hughes, Johnny Mathis, and Nona Hendryx are all bad people because of their sexual orientation?”

    No, there is something much worse than being a bad person and that living in sin and death. Sinners need deliverance from sin, not to be good people. If these died as sinners then God will surely judge them on whether or not they accepted Jesus Christ as their savior. Talents, fame, accolades and the likes mean nothing to God if you reject his Son. As someone once said if you aint got Jesus, you aint got nothing.

    Wanda Sykes needs to repent of her sin too. And while we are on the subject, so do you. Its very simple ask the Lord to forgive you of your sins, then turn away from them and begin living your life to please him and not yourself.

  11. Brayden, if standing on sound biblical scripture that says homosexuality is wrong, then we as “true saints” of the Most High God don’t want to be right…in you, Wanda, Alice, Langston, Johnny or Nona’s sight.

  12. I have friends of all colors and sexual orientations. Homosexuality is not bad. I tried it once in college one night while listening to Depeche Mode CDs and it wasn’t that bad. I’m a married man now with kids and I would never condemn any of my gay friends as “sinners”. Everyone knows someone who is gay. Try talking to them and educate yourself. Or try homosexuality for a night like I did to overcome your fears.

  13. Gee Brayden, it’s a little like saying “drugs aren’t bad. I tried them once, well, twice. I was watching “Mighty Mouse” at the time. I’m now drug free and don’t do that any more.

    I think you’ve explained why you don’t think it’s right up there with lying, cheating and stealing (which aren’t bad either since I’ve done all of those too).

  14. Mr. gmcwatch you stated to Kathy earlier that…”I think gay churches use the scriptures more as euphemisms than anything.”

    I believe that. I also know that they are the most wanna be spiritual people i know. Why do you think this is. Is it a coverup for being really ashamed deep down inside? Because for gays to be so spiritual, you would think that the lifestyle would convict them. I don’t understand. I know that God doesn’t hate the sinner, just the sin, but i wonder why gays use “love” so much when they can’t love themselves if they feel like there is nothing wrong with what they do, and still act so spiritual. They even try to twist the story of Lot to say that it wasn’t because of homosexuality that God destroyed the city, when the Word clearly says that the men didn’t even want Lot’s virgin daughters, they wanted the men angels. I just don’t understand why.

  15. piggybacking on Melvin…

    So we should also try murdering someone, or committing adultery? What about trying out pedophilia?
    After a night of it, according to you, the next day a person would be just fine.

    Where on earth did you pick up this kind of perverted logic?

  16. Branden, since when did Newsweek become the authority on what the bible says!?!?!

    Do you know how silly that sounds?

  17. Clark thats a really good question.

    I have never seen such a false movement so rife and saturated with confusion and error. Everything about the gay christian movement is faux at its best. I do know that GOD is NOT the author of confusion.

    Its as if they intentionally obfuscate, lie on, misrepresent, ignore, dismiss, alter, trample, replace and sidestep the truth at every turn. Its deception at its peak.

    Thats why we needed this site. As they spread with simular look and feel (tare) in the church, we have to (re)warn people that tare is not wheat.

  18. I find it odd that there is an emphasis on the mode of baptism; “Completely Immersed” but the church is not inclined to be completely immeresed in the truth of the scripture as it relates to sexual behavior. Hmmm.

    I would also like to hear some more info on their definition of “inspired and written” as it relates to the Word of God. I am sensisng an open door for continuing revelation of truth (Pearson).

  19. BTW, the gospel is all inclusive yet repentence is still required to recieve the sacrifice. Christ’ sacrifice was for the “sins of the whole world”, 1 John 2:2. John the apostle’s writings are in concert with all the other revelation of scripture. Evidence of true relationship with God is transformed behavior ; not creed, doctrinal position, testimony or feelings.
    When Peter opened the door to the Kingdom with the keys Jesus gave him he said; “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name(authority) of Jesus Christ and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. That truth was given to the hearers, their children and to all who are “afar off” as to as many as the Lord shall call. EVERYONE must repent.

  20. Elder Jimmy exactly right, the “inclusive” component of the gospel is that ALL are invited to repent (first) and from that starting point, become citizens of the Kingdom. Repentance in a word is synonymous with knocking on the door (Christ).

    Once a person accepts the inclusive invitation to repent, then they enter the exclusive realm of the redeemed; those washed and sanctified by the blood of the Lamb,

    This exclusive realm also means EVERY person accepts all the commandments of the Lord Jesus. Thus, Jesus is now LORD (one who commands) not just SAVIOR (one who redeems). Im shocked they dont get this very fundamental fact of our faith.

    The gcm’s inclusion dare not require repentance from anything lest they shoot their hypocritical doctrine in both feet.

  21. GCM, “Im shocked they dont get this very fundamental fact of our faith.”

    Given what you have stated in your earlier response that they appear to”…intentionally obfuscate, lie on, misrepresent, ignore, dismiss, alter, trample, replace and sidestep the truth at every turn.” there should be no shock, as this is EXACTLY what they are doing.

    As satan is the father of all lies, looking to see who he can destroy, the moves being made by the homosexual lobby are specifically AND INTENTIONALLY designed to confuse and fool “the very elect” by making something appear as something it really isn’t.

    The side-by-side use of the photos above to help distiguish the genuine from the fake illustrates this point appropriately. It takes sharp eyes, spiritual and otherwise, to spot the difference and call out the fake for what it is.

  22. Thank you Mr. gmcwatch for clarifying that to me. Yes sir this site is so needed and it is a real eye opener.

    PS. I like to have gotten carried away over on the Jakes topic. I had to stop because this site is serving it’s purpose for what it was created for, and i was jumping all off topic. I won’t interupt anymore with something that this site isn’t about if you understand what i mean…and i’m sure you do….lol. Thanks for responding! 🙂

  23. I think it is disingenuous to compare gay sex to drugs and adultery. The Supreme Court ruled that gay sex is legal and has yet to rule that drugs are. It breaks my heart that you people cannot see that voting against full marriage rights for gays is discrimination. Thanks for letting me share my opinion. This will be my last post. Thanks.

  24. “I think it is disingenuous to compare gay sex to drugs and adultery.”

    Well Brayden, youre entitled to think as much as you’d like. Im not sure thats going to change THE FACT that homosexuality has been a sin since sin first entered into the world, just like all the other sins. We are being consistent and and fair in calling all sin the same no matter who does it. You are the one playing word games and exempting certain behavior because your dont want to offend your homosexual friends.

    And this is your last time with the snobbish, bigoted “you people’ remark. Be human like the rest of us or take a hike. Permanently.

  25. Regardless of what the courts say it is God’s word that will stand in the end not man’s word. Court can say whatever they want, but they too will stand and be judged before God Almighty. Since you tried it you obviously liked it. I feel sorry for your family cause there is a possibility that you will do it again since you liked it so much.. You haven’t repented of it, that’s for sure, cause if you had you wouldn’t be saying that it wasn’t that bad. That’s really sick. Does your family know bout that. Believe me we are not afraid of homosexuals. That’s really funny LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s sin Brayden just like any other sin. When we sin we are supposed to realize that what we did was wrong, feel really bad about it, repent and not do it again. We are to strive to be perfect even as our Father in Heaven is perfect. Eventually we will be perfect just as Jesus is perfect. Unrepentant sin is where the trouble comes in.

  26. Nan,

    You made some excellent points. The only thing i like to point out is where you said we must feel really bad about sin…..I don’t know where we can find that biblically. Godly sorrow leads to repentence, but feeling really bad about something often speaks of condemnation.

    also, wen you say we are to strive to be perfect even as our father in Heave is perfect…how would you define perfect??

  27. We believe in the “who so ever will” intentionally inclusive love of God through Jesus Christ, As a result, we are called to love, affirm and welcome all people to the table of the Lord. John 3:16

    This is yet another example of how important it is to actively listen to the words spoken across the pulpit, read the doctrinal statement/statement of beliefs (which no one seems to do anymore), and square it all up with the Word of God.

    It doesn’t matter which heresy is being taught (word of faith, inclusion, “little gods”, sinless homosexuality, etc.), it would be much easier to recognize and speak out against if those in the pews actively participated in their spiritual growth and development VS. having it fed to them by someone else.

    Paul/Nan, I had always interpreted the word “perfect” as “being mature” in Christ, but a thorough lexicon study of the word “perfect” in Greek will reveal a clearer answer. What specific text are you referring to, Nan? We would want to study the word as it appears in specific text…

  28. Brayden,

    The Supreme Court of the United States has also said that it is legal and not murder to kill unborn babies. It is legal in most states in the country (if not every state) for couples to divorce for any reason whatever. It is legal in some states although not all for mind-altering drugs to be used. It is legal in some states though not all for doctors to help some people commit suicide.

    The Supreme Court has also ruled that there can be no prayer in schools, no Bible-reading in schools, when done by principals, teachers, or other “authority” figures.

    It was legal in the time of Paul for fathers to allow their children to be abandoned and die of starvation and neglect — I forget the Latin/legal term for it, but it is the practice that is still reflected in the etymology of the word “genuine”, meaning “to place on the knees” — when a father at that time did not like or want the child that was born to him, he had the legal right to disown it and allow it to die of neglect. If he accepted the child as his, he would place it on his knees (see also the word “genuflect” which means to kneel), accepting the child as being his, as being “genuine.”

    The Roman Emperor Caligula legally married his horse.

    In the time of Daniel, it was a made a law that no one could pray to any god or ask anything except of the king, for 30 days, which is why Daniel was thrown into the lion’s den.

    It is legal to get drunk — as long as you don’t drive, and in some states, as long as you don’t appear in public drunk — but the Bible says in both the Old and New Testaments that it is at least stupid if not sinful to “give yourself to wine”.

    I say these things to show that legal does not equate to right, or unsinful, or Biblically acceptable practices. You need to understand the difference. I don’t care if the Supreme Court declares heterosexual marriage illegal and only homosexuals can get “married”. My Bible says differently, and that’s what I’m going to stand on. I don’t care if any governing or legal body anywhere on this earth declares that I have the right to kill my child, or that my husband has the right to kill me, or that I have the right to marry my dog. “We ought to fear God, rather than men.” Our loyalties are to God first. If He says we must do it, it doesn’t matter how many men say we are not allowed to do it. If the law says we must not do it, yet God has commanded us to do it, we must do it.

    It’s not really that hard to figure out!

  29. Kathy,

    Love your response.

    I shared this question with a bible study group when abortion came up:

    According to the law, why am I charged with double murder if I kill a pregnant lady (even if I don’t know she’s pregnant), but it’s okay by law to intentionally “abort, terminate, cancel” (they all mean “kill”) a baby?

    Brayden needs to use his head and think before he talks….he really needs to get new life in Jesus Christ !!!

  30. Kathy hit the nail on the head. If the law changes and runs contrary to God’s word we will have to choose
    to obey man or God. When this happens, there will be ‘believers’ who will cite scripture encouraging obedience to such ungodly laws of the land.

    All who hold to the Word of God in its entirety are being seen as ‘dissenters’ ‘ intolerant’ ‘hate-mongers’ ‘ unloving’ ….unfit for modern society and
    sad to say, unfit for the modern church.

    I want to thank gcmwatch for pointing out some time ago that there is a marked difference between “quoting scripture” and “rightly dividing the Word of truth”

    God bless you all

  31. Lesha,

    Who holds the key for the perfectly rightly dividing the Word? Isn’t it an ongoing process as we grow in Christ and go from glory to glory?

    I can attest as a Christian that I have looked at certain scriptures and each time, God will illuminate something different to me about that particular scripture..does that mean that I didn’t rightly divide it the first time? or does it mean that God showed it to me differently? John 3:16 means something completely different to me now than it did 10 years ago, because I have grown and matured in Christ.

  32. I have a question. How’s statement of faith is this? It looks close to the COGIC but it isn’t, i’ve checked.

  33. I know most people will not believe this but I really and truly meant no harm. I meant to say Yvette Flunder. I truly apologize to Ms. Flunder.

    GCMW: It was removed Elder Jimmy. I thought it was a little strange. Thanks for clearing it up.

  34. Hi Paul, on rightly dividing the word of truth versus
    quoting scripture.

    A good example in the bible would be where Satan is tempting Jesus to sin. At some points the devil
    actually quoted scripture accurately for the purpose
    of entrapping Jesus to sin with “godly words” to support the sin. Jesus’ response to the devil’s very
    scriptural quotations is the epitome of rightly dividing the word of truth.

    It is the power of Christ working in us through the Holy Spirit that enables us to rightly divide the word of truth
    after we have studied it. Outside of the Holy Spirit’s help, we will take God’s word and twist it to support our own base desires, sinful practices and I-centred agendas.

  35. Thanks, GCMW. I Appreciate that.

    Satan did quote some scriptures accurately but he quoted them out of context which is often used by the gay christain movement to bolster their position. Stories out of their proper context (Jake’s comments on Ruth and Naomi) and stories understood with a modern Westernized cultural context (David and Jonathan) are also handy-dandy tools of the movement. They refute the clear proclamation of scripture and reference allegory (Yvette Flunder’s wilderness error) as revelatory truths. Scripture correctly quoted but out of context are tools of the Devil that are as old as the Garden of Eden.

  36. Here’s what satan told Jesus in Luke 4:

    .10For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
    11And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

    He was referencing Psalms 91:11-12 which actually says:

    11For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
    12They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.

    Notice any differences? Here’s a hint: look at the words “all” and “any”.

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