Gay christian says bible “not true”

obamaknoxCybercast News Service has got a real eye opening (for those who dont read GCM Watch and are a little slow on the gay christian agenda) article about Obama’s recent appointment of gay christian Harry Knox to the government’s so called “faith based” money panel. Knox’s appointment was announced on the same day as COGIC Presiding Bishop Charles Blake.

Although the CNS uses the identifier “Christian” in its headline, its ironic when you read the article and realize how opposed to God’s Word Knox is simply because of his abnormal sexual habits.

Obama’s Christian Appointee to Faith-Based Program Says New Testament Teaching on Homosexuality Is ‘Not True’ [ full story link]

In a debate with the Rev. Gino Jennings recorded Nov. 28, 2004 at the First Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ in Philadelphia, the two men sparred over various biblical verses references homosexual behavior.This included the Book of Romans 1:22-27.

After reading the scripture, Jennings asked, “Do you believe that? That if a man lie with a man or a woman with a woman it is against nature?”

“I do not believe it,” answered Knox, who at the time was the program director for the group Freedom to Marry.

Jennings responded, “So this is a lie?”

Knox affirmed, “That is not true.”

“Paul did not have any idea of the kind of love that I feel for a partner when I am partnered. He didn’t know what that was about,” Knox said. “The straight man, the heterosexual man who got the privilege of writing the book, the educated, rich, heterosexual man, Paul, who got to write the book, didn’t think it was natural because for him it must not have been.”

Jennings later responded that Paul was not the sole author of the writings. “So you are saying Paul was just closed-minded. I totally disagree because the book says this, the book tells us that all scripture, all of the scripture, not some of it, but all scripture are given by the inspiration of God,” said Jennings.

There’s no easy way to say this. The gay christian movement (gcm) is demonic. It is but a parallel counterpart to the gay political movement. The only difference between the two is that the gcm has a religious facade.  It denies the authenticity of scripture, the veracity of scripture and the authority of scripture but yet claims to love Christ and want to be called by his name. To deny that God’s word is true is to deny Christ himself.  Help me understand this. If you claim to be a Christian,but reject the only primary source of Christian teaching, doctrine and history as untrue, what would that make you? And why would any church accept such a person as a “brother in Christ”?

John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

SPECIAL NOTE: For all the defenders of the dross who claim there’s no “gay agenda”, please get educated.

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42 thoughts on “Gay christian says bible “not true”

  1. Greetings in Jesus name. The deceptions of the last days are beyond astonishing. It’s astonishing that a person would prefer to believe that scripture is not true than to receive deliverance from a bondage that’s contrary to it. As the end of the age inches cloer, we’ll see that the abandonment of scriptural truths by those professing to know God will only increase. Therein lies the great faling away told about in II Thessalonians chapter 2.

    Thanks for continuing to sound the alarm on this vital issue. Blessings in Jesus name.

    timbob

  2. Yes, the “gay Christian” movement is from Satan. They have to eliminate the foundation of scripture to achieve their goals, and there is nothing Christ-like about that.

  3. Thanks Terry. If you want to watch the videos, here they are.
    BTW, this is no endorsement of Gino Jennings, even if I agree with his perspective on homosexual christians.

    Video #1
    Video #2

    There are more parts, just look at the “related videos”.

  4. I always consider the phrase “gay Christian” to be an oxymoron. “The man who says, ‘I know him [Christ],’ but does not do what he [Christ] commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. ” 1 John 2:4 Pretty simple.

  5. Wow. This is truly disturbing. A man I am dating said that he does not believe everything in the bible because man has wrote it but yet says that he is a Christian. I tried to tell him that you can’t separate God’s word and still proclaim to know him. People will deny Him for their own pleasures.

  6. … abnormal sexual habits…

    Once again with that misconception. I have already addressed this issue before, but fine, I’ll do it again. Homosexuality by itself has nothing to do with the act of having sex with men, in the same way heterosexuality has nothing to do with having sex with the opposite gender. Homosexuality is defined as an attraction, and an attraction alone, to the same sex. In fact, most gay men don’t engage in sex with other men.

    GCMW: Laughing…is that right? Wow, so I wonder how so many of them are getting AIDS through sexual contact?

    Also, in regards to the gay agenda. Gays have an agenda in the same way blacks had an agenda in the fifties and sixties. There is one, but it’s not some evil, laughably conpiratorial plot to overthrow the world as you, and is somehow ingrained in every gay person’s head through (presumably) some kind of evil Gay Mind Control Device. Seriously. Stop being paranoid.

    GCMW: Paranoia? Perhaps your rainbow colored alice in wonderland glasses prevent you from seeing this disease-prone, spiritually deadening lifestyle for what it is. Willful ignorance is a disease too.

  7. I apologize, I misspoke. My third sentence should read:

    Homosexuality by itself has nothing to do with the act of having sex with the same gender, in the same way heterosexuality has nothing to do with having sex with the opposite gender.

    GCMW: And you are citing what authority?

  8. Fun idea: Google “definition of homosexuality” and see what you get for results. Even Conservapedia will tell you that it’s just an attraction.

    GCMW: It doesnt matter, its still sin. Let me remind you this is a discussion in the biblical context. Our authority is the bible, so frankly Im not interested in hearing how Conservapedia defines homosexuality.

  9. Fox-Gays have an agenda in the same way blacks had an agenda in the fifties and sixties.

    For one, I am personally tired of gays trying to make a parallel of struggles between them and blacks. Black people were lynch, raped, brutalized, and enslave just because the color of their skin. I don’t recall any signs in the sixties say “No gays allowed.” Being gay is a choice and one can easily hide it which is not the same of being black. Being gay is a CHOICE. Plain and simple. If you want to argue that gays are discriminated against go ahead, but never compare being black to being gay. After all, it is just an attraction, right?

  10. The bible is not the only primary source for revelation, but rather the Holy Spirit is, and it was the Holy Spirit who inspired the bible, which is wholly true and without error. If someone denies that some part of the bible is true, then one cannot rightly claim that any part of it is necessarily true, because it is not then the Word of God but simply a human concoction.

    Homosexual persons may not have a choice over their sexuality, but they certainly have a choice as to whether they have sex, and God calls them to abstain from that abomination which is not part of His plan for the human race.

    We need to pray for these people. Anyone can say this prayer with me if she chooses:

    Lord, look after all these people mentioned in the above blog article and bring them to be freed from their errors so that they come to accept your truth. Bring all christians with homosexual desires to not act on those desires and to lead a life pleasing to you. We ask for all these things, if it is your will, in Jesus’ name, Amen.

  11. What group is really running this government. It’s not Obama, he’s just the front man, but he wants to be the front man. Michelle and the children are the accessories to make us blacks accept him. They, the wife and the children are just pawns in this game of continuing treachery. REAL CHRISTIAN MEN OF GOD WILL NOT BELIEVE OR ACCEPT HOMOSEXUALITY BUT FOR WHAT IT REALLY IS! AN ABOMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TO GOD AND TO THEM

  12. Fox:
    God gave Adam A WOMAN! and he called her EVE! She had children from her womb by Adam. Can a man born a male have a baby? NO! Will a man who is born a male ever have a baby? NO! God gave Adam sperm. He gave Eve eggs, so they work in conjunction with each other. They fit together, because they are opposite. Their parts mold together. A man CANNOT mold with a man, and a woman CANNOT mold with a woman too man bumps on a woman for woman and woman to mold and too much muscle on a man for men to mold. You know the real truth, you just refuse to accept the way God intended. But, God will not force you to do what you don’t want to do. So if homosexuals want to be that which God did not intend, let them go ahead, but they know in their hearts that it’s wrong.

  13. Nan,

    Your ignorance is truly, truly astonishing. [edited]

    Secondly…what are you talking about Michelle Obama and the children being accessories to make us blacks accept him? That is just crazy!

    For your information, if you check the black voting numbers, you will know that a lot of ‘us blacks’ have already accepted Obama.

    And you yell that real Christian men of God will not believe or accept homosexuality….

    My question is…since when did you ever start believing that Obama was a Christian? you say the word REAL as if he already was a Christian according to you…

    Seriously, you need to think about some things before you let your fingers start typing..it looks bad for you.

    this is yet another example how zealots learn a little bit about God and a little bit about the bible and then mix it with a lot of hate for things they don’t understand, and then lose their minds.

    I pray that you will find it again.

    GCMW: Phariseebuster aren’t you the former commenter “behold” that was banned? Using a different pc now?

  14. Whether or not two men can give birth to children is irrelvant, since love isn’t necessarily defined by the ability to have children.

    Also, as an atheist, I don’t buy into the whole God-made-Adam-and-Eve thing. You’ll have to bring some objective evidence to the table if you want me to take you seriously.

  15. I’ll admit, what gays are fighting for and what blacks fought for are different. By which I mean, blacks had a lot more to fight for. But it’s in a similar vein, and my comparison was apt. Gays are an oppressed minority, frowned upon not only by large portions of society, but even in some areas of the legal system. Gay men and women are not entitled to certain priveleges that straight people are, like being able to serve openly in the military, donate blood, or get married.

    Additionally, you seem to posit that there have never been any kind of hate crimes involving gays, which is an intellectual fallacy.

    Also, being gay isn’t a choice. I can tell you from experience that isn’t, and that should be proof enough. If it isn’t, then glance this over:

    http://www.apa.org/topics/sorientation.html

    In short, yeah, you’re right: sexuality doesn’t fall under the same category of race. But at the same time, gays are still not entitled to certain legal statuses that straights are, which is discrimination. Were sexuality a conience decision, then I’d give you some leeway, but that’s not the case. Gay people can’t help being gay, and quite literally all of the scientific community–that doesn’t receive funding from faith based, “family values” organizations, that is–will agree with me.

  16. Yes we are indeed in the last days, when men are more lovers of themselves than lovers of God. Plain and simple, the bible CANT be wrong.

    God says in the same Romans 1 that man is without excuse because when you look at the splendor of the world you can see that God is real, it also tells us that without the law, we have the law because our God has written right and wrong in our hearts. For these reasons God has given those who embrace homosexuality over to a reprobate mind, they know they are wrong but blatanatly reject their own conscience. THEY KNOW ITS WRONG!

    We are definately living in perilous times and the Children of God need to stick together and not be afraid to expose the lies of the enemy!

  17. We were all born with sin nature, we are all pre-deposed to specifics sins.

    Being a minority race isn’t sinful.

    No comparison.

    We already have laws on the books protecting anyone from harm. Forcing people to accept sodomy as ‘normal’ is a hideous thing to do and there will be hell to pay. Especially by those forcing this acceptance onto children in the public schools. Better a milestone that to make one of these stumble…

  18. We were all born with sin nature, we are all pre-deposed to specifics sins.

    Does the Bible say this, or are you just making this up? I have a feeling it’s the latter, since it so perfectly molds to your myopic opinions regarding sexuality.

    Forcing people to accept sodomy as ‘normal’ is a hideous thing to do and there will be hell to pay. Especially by those forcing this acceptance onto children in the public schools. Better a milestone that to make one of these stumble…

    Once again: not all homosexuals engage in sex with the same gender. That makes the fourth time I have said this, and still no one listens.

  19. THEY KNOW ITS WRONG!

    Pretty much every gay person will disagree with you on that. Very few emotionally secure gays will tell you they’re ashamed of themselves for being gay, or that they think their “behavior” is wrong. Those that do generally tend to come from areas with strong religious influence, where there’s a lot of pressure on them to be straight.

  20. Homosexual persons may not have a choice over their sexuality, but they certainly have a choice as to whether they have sex, and God calls them to abstain from that abomination which is not part of His plan for the human race.

    What two consenting adults “do in the bedroom” is none of your concern. Condemning gays to celibacy because it displeases you personally, or your religion, is beyond your jurisdiction. Not everyone is Christian, not everyone holds to your values.

  21. Come on man! you know that you are wrong.

    Does being an Athiest mean that there is no wrong or right?

    Man cannot be a law until himself because if that is the case we can all make up our own right and wrong. Who is to say Murder is wrong? and if it is what is that based on? surely couldnt be from man as man has such a hard time following it.

    You see, it makes no sense for man to make laws they dont want to follow or find very hard to.

    it is irrational to think that the body is confused, why would you have sexual organs that perfectly go with the opposite sex, if thats not what it is for?

    You didnt ask me for objective evidence, how more objective can you get than the evidence of your own design.

    Love is not sex or attraction, for one, Love is selflessness for the good of others.

    So I love a lot of men, but I am not attracted to them, as I love many women but I am not necessarily attracted to all of them either.

    Homosexuality is not love, it is a perversion of what is “normal”, it is down right lust just as much as a player trying to go to bed with as many women as he can.

    God loves you with an everlasting love and Jesus is real, Call on the name of the LORD and be saved!

    Jesus can remove all of your struggles if you accept HIm and let Him take care of you!

    One love!!!

  22. People can harden their hearts against the truth written there by God. Scripture tells us that God does give them over to their unnatural desires. They reject Christ and become slaves to their sin. It’s either a slave to sin or a bondservant of Christ and to righteousness, it’s an individual’s decision. It’s a dangerous decision to mock God, and everyone will eventually reap what they sow.

  23. Fox, yes they will lie and say that, I know.

    They know they are wrong intially but the way how society promotes it as if it is ok, after a while the conscience dies. That happens with any sin, you become numb to the feeling and fool yourself into thinking its ok. Most have done it in different areas of their lives.

    This is why the bible says God has given Homosexuals over to a repobate (a depraved, unprincipled, or wicked person: a drunken reprobate. mind )Very sad because all of nature says it wrong along with their conscience which has been placed their by God but they still force it to be right.

    I do think people struggle with the spirit of homosexuality as some do with anger and lust, however Homosexuality takes on an agenda of wanting to be right and forcing people to agree with it, its evil.

    God/Jesus has the answer for the problems of the world but the world loves darkness, so struggles to turn to God because its darkness will be revealed.

    May The LORD Jesus Christ touch you with all his might and love!!!

  24. To look upon another with lust is a sin. It’s not just the act of sodomy, our eyes can get us into trouble, too.

    Do you doubt we are all born with sinful natures? The heart is wicked, scripture tells us this. Did you know that everyone that has every lived has committed sins except for one man?

  25. You don’t have to agree with gravity either, but guess what, if you jump off a building, you are still going to go splat.

    Paul says that creation screams of a Creator and there will be no excuses for not acknowledging Christ.

    It’s all foolishness though, to those that are perishing. God knows you, He planned you and He has a purpose and a hope for your life. It’s your decision.

  26. Someone who doesn’t believe in sin can’t sin either, so I guess that one guy must be me. Or every other atheist out there.

  27. Does being an Athiest mean that there is no wrong or right?

    No. I have my own beliefs in regards to right and wrong, but I know that homosexuality isn’t wrong.

  28. christian, I agree and let’s not forget that GOD also hardens peoples hearts to show his glory. People like Fox (and Harry Knox) remind me of Pharoah. If you know that story, then you know what Im talking about. Its sad but true. Im not sure that prayer is in order because God has a specific reason why he hardens their hearts and darkens their imaginations to say and do such foolish things.
    Hopefully its only temporary.

  29. If my heart is hard, it’s because of the unnecessary prejudices that I have had to face in the course of my twenty years of living. I have every reason to be angry at people like you. You and your ilk only serve to perpetuate intolerance in this nation, and I refuse to put up with it any longer.

  30. FOX that’s the point…. OF COURSE. they are going to happy and gay (pun intended) around everybody else and each other…… BUT when they get alone.(ALL BY THEMSELVES)

    They can’t tell the same thing to the mirror… and the mirror don’t lie…. how do I know this? Ive heard too many testify to this very thing. when it all came down to it… they could not face THEMSELVES (because as the bible says God has written in everyone’s heart his law).

    NO they never own of to it publicly… Too much pride… and God resists the proud…..

  31. Fox, are you gay? Is that why you call it unnecessary prejudice?

    I want to post this link for you, it’s a study of what is happening in Scandinavia. This our future…

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp?pg=1

    It’s long but worth the read. It’s a heads up to why God’s ways are always best for us. God does not make these laws in an arbitary mean way but to help us live with the fullest possible joy and peace.

    I agree on the hardening of Pharoh’s heart by God, sometimes people will hardened their hearts to the truth written there by God, over and over, and God can permanently harden them to stay that way…

  32. Im not sure there’s much you can do about it primarily because God (the one you dont believe in) determines the parameters of right and wrong, not you. Personally, I dont intend to change my views even if an angel from heaven comes to say do it. What is, is what is.

    You should stop kicking against the will of God and surrender. Trying to depose him on a blog is futile.

  33. If a gay person can’t face him or herself because they’re ashamed of who they are, then they feel that way because of people like you, who condemn their orientation (which, again, isn’t a choice; and no matter how many times you repeat yourself, it will never be a choice). They hate themselves because a decent chunk of society hates them, and they feel that they have commited some kind of heinous crime of nature when they’ve done nothing wrong in reality. It is mind boggling that there are so many of you who fail to see this.

    BUT when they get alone.(ALL BY THEMSELVES)

    Ah ha ha! Don’t make me laugh! Your ridiculous assertion is so prodigiously easy to counter that I wonder if it’s even worth it. Gay people lose their confidence when they’re by themselves? If anything, I am more confident when I’m alone, because it means I don’t have to worry about some troglodytic fool shooting me down. No, my confidence will never be shattered, because unlike you, I know what I am, and you can only guess.

    Good day.

  34. Christian,

    Yes, I’m gay. And before you pull the “you must be biased” card, think on this: calling me, a gay person who defends homosexuality, biased, is on a similar level to calling a black civil right activist biased. We see the injustices that are occurring, because we are the ones who are most affected by them. It should be obvious.

    Your link has done nothing to sway my opinion. Marriage is an outdated tradition, and I want to see all legal statuses that come with being married removed. In fact, I’d even prefer that over legalizing gay marriage. Marriage should be contained as only a tradition. It should never have entered the realm of the state to begin with.

    GCMW: Ahhh, the gay=black card. That’s a false premise. Black and gay are two different constructs. One immutable; God-given, the other a choice of action based on selfish desires. Thus your argument is null and void. Find something else beside my skin color to compare your sin to. That monkey doesnt fly.

  35. Can’t reply to comment but want to address Fox.

    God doesn’t want you trapped in a lifestyle that will only bring you heartache and pain. I suppose you might think that christian beliefs in regard to homosexuality is the source of your pain. That if it is accepted and the norm, you can finally be happy? That is a lie from the enemy, that a lot of folks fall into…if only this would happen, if only I had this that or the other thing but the contentment is always short lived.

    Know this, you are a cherised beloved person to Christ. He planned you, He wanted you to be, He wants a relationship with you. He is the only thing that will fill the empty place in your heart. He loves you just as you are, we are all works in progress. He sees every tear, He knows your heartache and He has a plan and a purpose for your life.

    Are you here to release built up anger at the church? Or did God lead you here for a purpose?

    There are no coincidences with God. If you want to learn more in regard to scripture, please consider Calvary Chapel, a bible study church that does verse by verse bible study. I ask you just check it out before you make a final decision, jeans are fine and no one will hassle you to join or that sort of thing.

  36. Jesus Christ can and will change the desires of a sinner when they repent and come to him. He did it for me. I used to be a heroin addict and many, many other things that seemed to control me. After I came to Him…He just took those desires away and replaced them with good ones…I didn’t even have to try. The new desires were natural to me…what a miracle.

  37. Mary, I praise God for your deliverance and I would also like to add that daily Christian living does require that we deny ourselves (fleshly desires), take up our cross and follow him.

    That does take effort on our part.. To me its a cop out when I hear people say that I prayed and asked God to “take” it away from me…. I when he does not the say well maybe he meant for me to be Gay so there’s nothing for me to do on my part..

    God is not going to snatch you out of bed with somebody that’s not your husband or wife, nor will he blow the cigarate out your mouth.

    Truth of the matter is the desire may not always go away as soon as you accept Jesus as Savior… But just because you have the the desire, does not mean you have to act on it….
    The bible tells us to deny the fleshly desires….

    The more you you feed the new spiritual man, the old desires will die out and they will no longer control you.

    Mary, Im definitely not discounting your desires that were taken away but I really wanted to speak to those say their’s was not “taken away”. Sanctification is a process…. that if we submit to we will become more and more like Christ every day.

  38. Fox
    As a former homosexual saved by the grace of God, I know firsthand homosexuality is a CHOICE, not a genetic defect as you claim.
    I will prove, from God’s word, the truth.
    We must start with the human heart. Jeremiah 17:9 says this of the heart, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” The phrase ‘desperately wicked’ in the original language means ‘to be incurable, to be sick’. What incurably, sick ‘disease’ is it that every human heart possesses? SIN–we all have a sin nature due to the fall of man in the garden of Eden. The ‘heart’ means ‘inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding; as seat of emotions and passions’. So, everything about us is ‘tainted’, due to our sin nature. We act out what comes from within.
    Here is what the Lord Jesus Christ teaches on what comes out of such a heart, “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are [the things] which defile a man” Matthew 15:19.20
    I want to point out the word ‘fornication’ for this particular argument against homosexuality being a genetic defect, as you claim. Again, we must go into the original language to fully understand what the Lord was teaching here…in the Greek, ‘fornication’ means ‘adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.’. As anyone can plainly tell from the Lord’s teaching, sexual immorality/perversion is birthed out of our own hearts. It is a desire for what is forbidden, otherwise known as ‘lust’. This is from Romans 1:24, ‘Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves’. God ‘gives them over’ , or lets them go headlong to dive into their sins because they refuse to repent, or turn away from their sins, and turn to Christ. Also, notice where ‘lust’ comes from…their OWN hearts. I’ve already stated what ‘lust’ means, from the Greek word epithymea, which means ‘desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden, lust’. It is interesting to note the root word of the greek epithymea, it is thymos. Thymos means ‘the wine of passion, inflaming wine (which either drives the drinker mad or kills him with its strength). This forbidden passion is likened to an intoxicating wine which drives the ‘drinker’, or partaker of such passion, mad and kills him with its strength. This is part of the judgment by God to all who refuse to turn from homosexuality…He will turn you completely over to what you’ve chosen, to the sin you so dearly love, if you refuse to cry out to Him for mercy and forgiveness.
    From Romans 1:28, “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind”
    Because sinners, in this case, homosexuals, refuse to hear God’s truth [they suppress the truth], God gives them over completely to a reprobate mind – this type of mind is worthless, useless. It has been tested by God and proven unfit. This is a terrifying result of refusing to turn from sin. When someone reaches this status, it is too late, there is no chance for grace and mercy. The scariest part is that when they do reach this state, they are unaware they’ve even reached it!
    Please, quit suppressing the truth of God and His word. This is exactly why the Bible specifically warns, “TODAY, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts” Heb. 3:15
    The more you reject His truth, the greater chances are you may be given over to your sins.

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