Samuel Brown responds to ordinary people

brownGCMW: Samuel Brown contacted me to ask if he could respond to the post using his video on the “Ordinary people” series we did. Since the post is closed for discussion, I agreed that I would print his comments without editing (scripture references are linked). I’m sure he would welcome your additional questions and/or comments.

Please understand that I am a Christian; not a gay Christian and I truly love and adore the Lord God and his son Jesus Christ with all of my heart and we share a fasted relationship.

You will find that I am not opposed to the bible or the Spirit of Truth and you will find that my view and interpretation of the holy bible are scripturally and spiritually sound (not adding or taking away anything) and if you spend time on my site http://www.sonofabishop.blogspot.com you will see that my goal is to bring clarity to the scriptures that have been used traditionally so divisively against people who are or were born homosexual and bring freedom to the people of God who are homosexual and freedom & clarity to the individuals who imprison homosexual people in the name of Religious Tradition. I am encouraging everyone to study the scriptures and to look to Jesus Christ and live as Jesus Christ; not as traditional religious judgmental saints.

My parents are very humble leaders within the C.O.G.I.C organization; my mother is a Missionary/Evangelist in her local church and quite the prayer warrior and my father who is now an auxiliary Bishop (within the last decade) has been a National Evangelist for many decades and prefers being called Evangelist because that is where his heart is and he said that “everybody’s a bishop now” my parents once traveled and ministered together. My parents and I love, respect and cherish each other and they understand and respect my plight, however I understand and respect their opposition to my non-traditional understanding and interpretation of the scripture on the subject matter of homosexuality. I am very proud of them

My main points are that we are to study to show ourselves approved…

STUDY & INTERPRET the bible HISTORICALLY Correct. STUDY: learn about a subject by reading and researching. Look up the Greek/Hebrew definitions! INTERPRET: to establish or explain the meaning/significance of something. HISTORY: the past events of a period in time or in the life or development of a people, an institution, or place. *Quote scripture within context of the matter *CONTEXT: circumstances or events that form the environment within which something exists or takes place.

Romans Chapter 1 was not a commandment against homosexuality. That story was an indictment against a group of people in history who purposefully turned their backs on God 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. This was an incident and the facts have been purposefully ignored that those people in that story snubbed & turned their backs on God and worshiped idol Gods.

It’s unfortunate that Traditional Christian Religious Hype which does NOT represent the true legacy of Jesus Christ has made demonizing people who were born homosexual as a rallying point for their agenda. Jesus Christ who is the Son of God and who is the reason and the definition of Christianity and even Apostle Paul does NOT define homosexuality as sin. Apostle Paul condemns male prostitution and rape when you interpret those scriptures historically correct; that is fact.

There are 6 scriptures in the bible that are used to condemn people that were born homosexual and that if you read those scriptures historically correct (looking up the Greek/Hebrew definitions) you will find that the crux of those 4 scriptures are condemning male prostitution and rape; and the other 2 scriptures are more of the Mosaic Law that was given at the same time when God’s law recognized and supported slavery and a host of other laws that would not be tolerated in today’s society.

Galatians 3:10-14

4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;[a] for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Glory of the New Covenant

2nd Corinthians 3:7-18

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37 thoughts on “Samuel Brown responds to ordinary people

  1. You’re not really saying anything that hasnt been said before…i see the typical “argument from silence” and
    “Paul didnt really mean what he said”…if the only lawful sexual outlet is within a marriage between a man and a woman(as laid out by the Holy Spirit thru Paul in 1 Corinthians 7 and backed by Jesus in Matthew 19:4-6), then how are man-man/woman-woman relations not sin?…

  2. Samuel, I realize because of space, you cant give a full dissertation of your beliefs, but based on what you’ve written, its really nothing new. And all of it, if not more has been soundly refuted here in detail.

    Having said that, please clarify some things.

    1. Since the study of greek and hebrew is so pivotal to right interpretation, could you cite where you were taught to properly interpret greek and hebrew?

    2. I dont understand why you reject being a “gay christian” when by your own admission you are currently a homosexual who professes to be a Christian. Isnt that by definition a gay christian?

    Also, a couple of things I’d really like to see you define.

    1. Religious tradition (and in that context)…
    2. what characterizes a “traditional religious judgmental saint”

  3. Oh my, the old lie of being ‘born homosexual’ has reared its ugly head again!.
    When one properly understands the total depravity of man, the origin of sin, the wickedness of the human heart, then one understands where homosexuality comes from… from the forbidden desires of the lustful human heart.
    From Romans 1:24,’Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves’. Where does the lust come from, according to God’s own word? ‘Their own hearts’.
    It goes back to the serpent in the garden…’did God really say?’ The more people try to dance around the scriptures, twisting them like pipe cleaners to justify sin, the more deception takes hold.
    From Jeremiah 17:9, ‘The heart is deceitful above all[things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?’
    The phrase, ‘desperately wicked’ means ‘desperate, incurable, desperately wicked, woeful, very sick’. What comes out of such a heart? “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies” Matthew 15:19
    The word ‘fornication’ comes from the Greek porniea, meaning ‘adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.’ – from blueletterbible.org
    It becomes quite clear from that passage that homosexuality is birthed out of a wicked human heart, NOT some genetic defect!! Praise be to God for His truth!!

  4. Samuel,

    This is not a fair rendering of God’s holy word. Historically speaking, even if we did not have a scripture to prove it, we know that Jews in 1st century Palestine did not condone homosexual practices of any kind. That is a fact. The Jews despised the practices of the cultures that surrounded them, Hellenistic, Babylonian, Egyptian, etc. There was no condemnation of the ethical laws of the Old Testament. Jesus, Peter, Paul, and the rest certainly taught against homosexual behavior because it was ethically problematic in the Old Testament. If you would like more on this subject please read New Testament scholar Robert Gagnon on this subject. Every major historical scholar who speaks on this subject concedes that the Bible rejects homosexual practice. That’s not where the debate is. Even scholar Luke T. Johnson, who advocates homosexuality, concedes this point but he says that the Bible is wrong on this point.

  5. Thank you so much for having the ability to see with those eyes that God gave you, bless you 4 eyes (it’s a compliment in there somewhere, 2 and 2 natural and spiritual).

    I only feel sorry for Samuel and this repost of a topic that I thought was dead and put to bed. Choice is what is being abused by this man and his eisegesis of scripture.

    Carry on, because it seems that he is slamming the door on his hope of redemption!

    GCMW: Sorry, Vaughn! Bear with me please. Thanks

  6. Samuel,
    The Holy Writ clearly and consistently condemns sexual immorality in every epic and era, regardless of the greek or the hebrew language. Sexual immorality is defined as ANY sexual activity outside of the marriage between man and a woman. Period. Christ even included lust in the category of sexual immorality. Some would like to explain the differences as traditional versus modern, but it just the age old battle of absolute truth versus relative truth. Some would like the truth of God to be on a sliding scale to be ameniable to the whims of societal preferences. But the Word of God is the rock bed foundation of Truth” …where there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning”.
    It all comes down to the evil heart of man that is unwilling to accept the ways and purposes of God. God spoke through the prophets, He spoke through His Righteous Son, and he spoke through the apostles of Christ. These Words where recorded, cannonized and supernaturally preserved by God himself into Holy Scripture. You either believe HIs report or you don’t. Those that OBEY HIs Word are the ones that are truly redeemed.

  7. Although the argument you presented has been refuted some thousands of years ago when God made male and female and told them from the beginning to fill the earth, I would also like to know from where your study of Hebrew and Greek comes.

    Alexander conquered the middle east around 330B.C.
    He imposed the KOINE GREEK language upon his “conquered world,” thus the translation of the Hebrew scriptures into KOINE GREEK. KOINE GREEK was banned by Roman decree around 200A.D. (after the New Testament letters were written), thus becoming a DEAD LANGUAGE.

    The Old Testament was already translated into KOINE GREEK, and the New Testament was originally written in KOINE GREEK; which is one of the miracles of the validity of the holy scriptures – they can’t be corrupted because the KOINE GREEK language was in existance only long enough for translation and writing of scripture and then the language was “killed”!

    The greek being spoken today isn’t and doesn’t come close to the original KOINE GREEK language that the scriptures were written in and there aren’t even many, if any, transliterated greek dictionaries to come close to KOINE GREEK.

    So I ask again, from where did you get your study of Hebrew and Greek?

  8. I agree with you all, its such a pleasure that people are standing up for the word of truth.

    I am blessed that many have stated that sexual immorality in the bible encompasses all sexual sins.

    People always says Jesus never said, but not every word of Jesus is in the bible, it is why John says that there would not be enough books in the world to contain everything he did.

  9. This guy sounds like he’s a reprobate. If you say you are a Christian and that the scriptures say nothing against homosexuality then you have a reprobate mind. Real men and real men of God do not approve of homosexuality. So, Samuel to you I say HUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  10. Samuel please for the sake of those people who are still lost, stop trying to be a teacher, because you are totally confused. You say your mother is a prayer warrior huh, well I hope that if she knows your stance on homosexuality that she is in prayer for you to change. That is, if she doesn’t believe what you believe and I hope she doesn’t. I don’t know who you’ve been hanging out with, but you obviously have been hanging with the wrong crowd. Carlton Pearson hung out with the wrong people and he got corrupted. Who u hangin with Samuel?

  11. Nan it interesting how you sumarily dismiss perspectives you disagree with. Even in the light of sound and methodical exegesis.

    Who is to define proper exegesis anyway? Who is to define proper dIvision of scriptures? (2 Tim 2:15)? Is there one way to divide the scriptures? If so, what should we do with different Christian denominations that are theologically at odds with eachother?

  12. I posted the following on Samuel Brown’s blogspot. I am including it here as well:
    [I will admit that the church has failed at offering Christian ministry to the homosexual/lesbian community. It has oscillated between two equally destructive extremes. BUT It saddens me whenever I here anyone trying to twist scripture to make it fit their particular worldview; whatever it is. My heart breaks for homosexuals who are literally being LIED to by those who declare what they are doing is not a sin. Adding information or references to this book or from very loose interpretations from bible passages do very little to take away from the truth that homosexuality/lesbianism/fornication/adultery & all kinds of sexual sins are just that, SIN; No ifs, ands, or buts about it. You have to twist scripture and make it somehow say (especially in the original language) that same sex monogamous relationships are permitted. You keep bringing up slavery. First off this has NOTHING to do with your argument. Christ did not speak directly against slavery either. But since you brought it up. The American system of slavery finds no justification in scripture. Be careful not to confuse what the bible describes and what the bible prescribes for us to do or not to do. This confusion leads to numerous misinterpretations of scripture even on the part of scholars. Please do not ignore a clear prohibition on ALL SEXUAL SIN in Romans 1 (Verses 22-32). This passage also ties these sexual sins to idolatry. This is in a general sense and in a specific sense. This passage also explains how people can be deceived into thinking these behaviors are o.k. When you willingly & consistently participate in degrading passions (NASB) in an unrepentant fashion, you are asking God to give you over to them. Having Ph.D’s affirm your position does not give your position validity. These unnatural acts are classified as sin. Scientifically homosexuality/lesbianism are UNNATURAL because NO reproduction can take place between genetically SAME SEX UNIONS. Yes people have been cruel to homosexuals/lesbians but the most cruel thing is to tell the outright LIE that their behavior is alright and even sanctioned by scripture.]

  13. Be careful not to confuse what the bible describes and what the bible prescribes for us to do or not to do.

    Wow, I really like that! There is a big difference.
    I always say “everything in the Bible is true, but not everything in the Bible is truth.”

  14. The Apostle Paul warned of the danger of preaching “another gospel”, and here we have not only The Gospel, but the Bible according the Samuel.

    Gay Christians are encouraged to take pride in their gayness. Should Thieving Christians be encouraged to take pride in their thieving ways? Or Fornicating Christians have support groups to justify and encourage each other to commit fornication?

    What of Lazy Christians who refuse to work? Should they too form a group and create the Lazy Christian Study Bible and the Lazy Christians Movement encouraging other person to become a Lazy Christian? NO. NO. and NO to all of the above.

    But the NO does not apply to the Gay Christian Movement. Why is this so? Because in the new Gospel, Homosexuality has been removed from the category of sin. How was it removed from being a sin, and who removed it?

    Any takers?

  15. Marriage and being fruitful and multiplying is not for everyone and if you read a little further down in Mathew 19:11 (Jesus was previously talking about marriage and divorce)But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. 12For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Hopefully you have done an exaustive study on eunuchs. Here is one study; there are many out there. http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/contents.htm

  16. gcmwatch, I take my relationship with the Lord very serious and I truly believe that one should study to show thyself approved and I also believe in Acts 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
    I have a Strong’s Exaustive Concordance of the Bible Based on King James Version which includes a Greek and Hebrew dictionaries and a thirst for truth plus there are many other resources periodicals to study from.

    GCMW: I see. You put so much emphasis on knowing greek and hebrew, I assumed you had some type of formal training. But you have the same books and bibles I do. And I have not seen one instance in any of them which give any justification to homosexuality, let alone a homosexual who claims to be a Christian.

    I don’t know of any other Christians who are defined by their sexuality so therefore we are all Christians.

    GCMW: Well, that’s sidestepping the actual question. But we’re talking about self definition here. So then you disagree with all the self identified “gay christians” who do use that term?

    Traditional Religious judgmental saints are people like the hypocritical Pharisees of the bible who opposed the ministry of Jesus Christ when he walked this earth. They clang to tradition and Old Time Religion, cherry picking from the Old Testament’s Mosaic/Levitical Laws for the sake of religious tradition in order to condemn others who stepped on the toes of their religious traditions.

  17. Samuel, I dont need to read this study to know that you have CLEARLY taken this out of context and you are sadly deceived. the “eunuch” argument (which the gay community often uses to justify), in no way alludes to or suggests that homosexuality is right. No matter how you slice it homosexuality is sin. ANY Sexuality outside of marriage between a man and a women is sin, pure and simple.

  18. i looked at the thesis page from the site you posted….lets take a look at a small snippet:

    Think about it. Jesus spoke specifically about gay men in Matthew 19:12. He even said people might become eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. He did not anywhere say eunuchs should avoid their own kind of sexual expression. The church’s condemnation of gay sexuality thus falls into the same category as its former hatred of straight sexuality, namely the category of irrelevance.

    The bolded is an argument from silence….Jesus didnt specifially condemn the “sexual expressions” of pedophilia and bestiality…do you really want to go down this road?…lets do a quick word study on fornication..

    1 Corinthians 7:2

    2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

    what is fornication?..

    Greek word: porneia

    1) illicit sexual intercourse

    a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

    b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18

    c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

    2) metaph. the worship of idols

    a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

    we can exclude meaning#2 since Paul is talking about this in the context of marriage…meaning#1 says illicit sexual intercourse…homosexuality falls under that….you are trying to put Jesus in opposition with Paul…the only non sinful outlet for sexual relations is within a male/female marriage, no way around it….

  19. lyn, First of all let me say that your understanding of that scripture (Romans 1) is flawed due to the fact that scripture has been misused and abused towards people that were born homosexual. That story was an indictment against a group of people in history who purposefully turned their backs on God 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. This was an incident and the facts have been purposefully ignored that those people in that story snubbed & turned their backs on God and worshiped idol Gods.
    Your interpretation is based on taking a few scriptures that point out Sexual acts and then you pontificate and sensationalize the horror of those Sexual Acts and then you conveniently leave out the history of the entire chapter; that is what Traditional Religion has done with the 1st chapter of Romans in the name of God for the sake of Religious Tradition. What I am doing is bringing out the entire truth and nothing but biblical truth. There are no lies to be told when you disclose Real Truth instead Sensationalized Religious Tradition.
    The heart can be deceitful about many things but I feel that you are deceiving yourself when you think that the Great God of all creation made a mistake and or demonizes people who are or were born homosexual. I am not of the mindset that homosexuality is a genetic defect. God knows what he is doing and because of Traditional Religion you don’t trust that he does.

  20. Vaugn, Please don’t feel sorry for me. Just be very carefuly in your judgment of who has been redeemed and GCMW, I clearly realize that you are just patronizing my request which I sincerely appreciate.

  21. MSG, Lady D, djenk23, bwalke, Charzetta3, Paul N and even Nan and Lesha.

    Trying to live and re-live Religious Tradition is the problem people. As for what is actually written in the bible in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ; Paul is condemning rape and male prostitution which has absolutely nothing to do with ones innate God given sexuality just as heterosexuals. You have to work out your soul salvation with fear and trembling as a heterosexual or a homosexual; you didn’t have a choice in with your sexuality, you have a choice of who and how you behave sexually. God knows what he is doing.

    Knowing and appreciating the history of religious customs and cultures are to be embraced. Personally, I can really appreciate all of that in order to maximize the current time at hand. Here is another way to put it… I can learn and embrace the history of my ancestors who were slaves; it is always good to know from whence you came; however I will not live in the past and take on a slave like mentality in order to appreciate the customs and traditions of my ancestors. 2nd Corinthians 3: 4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;[a] for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. My relationship is with God and his Son Jesus Christ; I am one who look to Jesus and strive to live as he did and not as a Traditional Religious Pharisee. You are twisting the scriptures by trying to make them say something that they do NOT. I am only shedding light on what the scriptures really say outside of the Traditional Religious Interpretation of Religious Hype and Fervor which has nothing to do with who and why God made some to be homosexual and some heterosexual. My goal is to minister to the homosexual about the peace and freedom that they can have in Christ Jesus and to minister to the people who imprison homosexuals. God knows what he is doing; Traditional Religious people just DONT trust that he does. It took me a long time to fully surrender to God and to have peace about not being heterosexual and knowing that I could be used of him just as I am; with a surrendered heart, soul and mind.
    I was on a path of trying to deceive myself and others about my God-given sexuality in order to fit into the “religious society” and the “society of the moral majority” until God helped me to see that he didn’t make a mistake of the millions of people that are homosexual and that he desires for us all to worship him in Spirit and in Truth. He also reminded me that his yolk is easy and his burden is light. Nan, I am influenced by TRUTH. Lesha please pull your head out of Religious Tradition ( The Letter) read and understand the Word of Life.

  22. This is how I responded MinCraige who identified himself as Pastor Craig on my blogsite.

    Pastor Craige, I see that you have a great command of the English Language but with all due respect it does not excuse your blatent disregard for bible truths in lieu of the Traditional Religious Interpretation of what really happened in Romans 1st chapter; you’re still disregarding why that scripture reads the way it does Romans 1st chapter was an indictment against of sect of people who whole-heartedly and purposefully turned their backs on God to worship idol Gods which has nothing to do with one’s innate sexuality. The Traditional Interpretation of the scriptures of this subject matter are clearly guilty of the Twisting Factor; your interpretations are based on taking a few scriptures that point out Sexual acts and then you pontificate and sensationalize the horror of those Sexual Acts and then you conveniently leave out the history of the entire chapter; that is what Traditional Religion has done with the 1st chapter of Romans in the name of God for the sake of Religious Tradition. What I am doing is bringing out the entire truth and nothing but biblical truth. There are no lies to be told when you disclose Real Truth instead Sensationalized Religious Tradition. It truly saddens me that you refer to anything outside of your slanted interpretation as Lies.(the Pharisees keeps coming to my mind) Our American History on slavery certainly used the scripture to justify slavery. Slavery has everything to do with my argument because it can clearly be justified depending on how you interpret the scriptures; again our American History certainly justified slavery by using the bible. Traditional Religion uses the bible the same way to justify demonizing people who are and were born homosexual by using fear and intimidation of the Traditional Religious Doctrine instead of telling Complete Bible Truths. Pastor Craige, the truth is the truth if it comes from a person with a Ph.D or if it comes from a person with a G.E.D. Again Jesus Christ who is the Son of God and who is the reason and the definition of Christianity does not condemn homosexuality. Even Apostle Paul does NOT define homosexuality as sin; 1st Corinthians 6:9 only condemns male prostitution and rape when you interpret those scriptures historically correct. Pastor Craige, traditional religion does not make anything right just because you and the Traditional Religious Establishment says so. GOD IS.

  23. Dee, As long as you and others on this site are thoroughly convinced and interpret Jesus Christ and Apostle Paul as defining homosexuality as sin and compare homosexuality to the likeness of beastiality and pedophilia and etc;
    (The decent God-fearing human beings that I know would never categorize their sexuality in such company)
    it will always be pointless; not a moot or debatable point for you to read anything contrary to your belief. Please know that Only God is the final authoritarian on this subject matter. He has the last say-so.
    Dee, scroll down and read Tony’s comment to Nan.

  24. selective morality at its finest….you sling around the Pharisee word…then characterize yourself and your friends as being somehow more morally superior to Mr. Hands when what you do and what he did is included in the very definition of fornication..

  25. MinCraige,

    You said:

    “Scientifically homosexuality/lesbianism are UNNATURAL because NO reproduction can take place between genetically SAME SEX UNIONS.”

    This statement tells me that according to you, something is considered “unnatural” when reproduction is impossible. I would have to agree that based on that definition (that is, from a purely reproductive standpoint), a relationship between two gay people is unnatural. But you would also have to include couples who are past childbearing age, couples who have been sterilized, couples who are biologically unable to reproduce, and people who abstain from sex altogether — because reproduction is impossible in all of these situations.

    Also, you should take a minute to examine the animal kingdom, because literally THOUSANDS of different species engage in homosexual behavior, for various reasons (many of which serve important ecological/biological functions and all of which are readily observable). How might you explain that?

  26. Rob
    In your desperate attempt to somehow legitimize homosexuality through the example of the ‘animal kingdom’, you forgot one thing…animals do not have the ability to rationalize or come to decisions over their actions. God Almighty has created man with the ability to think, walk and talk, make choices, and subdue all of creation – – “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.” Genesis 1:26
    I must say, you are most pathetic in your continued effort to justify your sin. The truth of the Gospel has been given to you; you must repent of your sins and cry out for mercy and forgiveness to the only One who can save your lost, hell-bound soul…Jesus Christ. Any and all other ‘arguments’ by and with you are a waste of time…casting pearls before pigs is pointless.
    No matter what ‘argument’ you may come up with next, you can be sure of this…it will not stand before a Holy and Righteous God who has already spoken His truth and commands repentance from sin.
    If you refuse to repent, then there is no point in continued dialogue with you from any born again believer. Time is too precious to waste on a lost sinner who cleaves to his/her sins…there are billions of lost souls who need to hear the truth of the Gospel.
    Your continuing to post here is merely a attempt by you to stir up strife, you have no desire to leave your love of sin.
    May God be merciful to you while you still draw a breath; the day of your departure from this world is closer now than it has ever been.

  27. Lyn,

    “… you forgot one thing…animals do not have the ability to rationalize or come to decisions over their actions.”

    Oh but I didn’t forget that. I think YOU are the one who has forgotten something: you claim that homosexuality is nothing more than a choice. Therefore, please explain how an organism that is physiologically incapable of choosing can “choose” homosexuality.

    “If you refuse to repent, then there is no point in continued dialogue with you from any born again believer.”

    Then maybe you should stop answering questions that weren’t even addressed to you. Just a thought.

  28. So you think they KNOW what they are doing?!?!? THey are reacting to an instinct to ‘breed’, not pre-meditating on a lust from within their heart. You really are a desperate man.
    Maybe you should stop posting comments on a CHRISTIAN website where the word of God is upheld as the final authority. This SAME WORD speaks loud and plain against your CHOICE of sexual perversion, your desire to continually fulfill your forbidden desires that stem from your own deceitful heart.
    Just a thought…

  29. Male and female created he them. There are no in betweens. God doesn’t create homosexuals. Believe what you will God makes not mistakes

  30. Am I missing something here? The fact that some people are homosexual has nothing to do with God creating male and female, and no in betweens.

    Did you know that there’s a such thing as males who are homosexual and females who are homosexual?

    And you’re right, God makes no mistakes.

  31. Samuel,

    Here is the problem, it seems that Samuel is a diehard for the historical critical method. He seems to believe that Romans 1 us concerned with a specific sect. Samuel, do not confuse your interpretation of history and history as history. There are no extant documents that argue that Paul was specifically talking about some sect. In fact, the evidence from early on in the chapter suggests otherwise. We are all applying some form of interpretation to discover the meaning of the text. However, our interpretation is based on the prior arguments given in Leviticus and other places in scripture. Your’s is based on something you read in a book trying to analyze the Roman culture in the first century. Which one do you think is based on the appropriate data? The one based on the text of scripture which Paul, a teacher of the gospel and of the Word of God, the Old Testament, or something historians say is correct. In fact, we discover in Rom 15 that Paul thought that the Old Testament was given for our learning or to grant us a way to understand the Lord. Your arguments are based on the wrong context and content.

  32. Samuel-
    First of all, the truth of God’s word that I gave was given just ‘as it is written’, even defining in the original language. So, your sad and pathetic attempt to twist God’s word is pointless. Truth is truth, regardless of what a lost sinner such as yourself claims.
    you are void of the wisdom of God, that is why you twist the scriptures to fit your ‘pet sins’. You accuse me of not speaking truth, BUT, in your accusations, you give nothing more than your opinion. You haven’t a ‘leg to stand on’…God’s word is crystal clear concerning sin; in this case, the sin of homosexuality. We are called to honor God with our bodies, and that does NOT mean in acts of abomination – no matter how you ‘twist it’, you cannot change what God has already said, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. ” 1 Cor. 6:9.10–that’s pretty clear — homosexuals will NOT inherit His kingdom. Learn what REPENTANCE means – and cry out for mercy and forgiveness while you still have breath in your lungs.
    All the arguing in the world will benefit you NONE on the day of judgment. There is another who posts here with the same mindset as you…desperately trying to justify your forbidden lust that comes from within your very own heart. I say to you the same as I said to him, there is no point in casting pearls before swine. You prefer to wallow in your perversion, suppressing the truth of God’s hatred at ALL SIN. You have been given the truth, and you reject it. You cleave to your choice of sexual perversion and even twist Holy Writ to try and justify it…God have mercy on you.

  33. Here is a sample of true biblical teaching on what God’s word really says about homosexuality…

    Well, tonight I want to talk to you on the subject of what God thinks of homosexuals. It is not a particular enjoyable subject to discuss, nor would any sin be enjoyable to discuss, for that matter. But it has become pertinent and essential and necessary for us to get a biblical view of this rapidly increasing and normalizing effort to accept homosexuality in our culture. We need to understand what the Word of God has to say.

    Read the entire transcript of Dr. John MacArthur’s sermon on the sin of homosexuality here…

    http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-322

  34. Be assured, Samuel is not receiving any of this, nor is he interested in truth. He’s simply reveling in the attention he is getting.

    I say put him on your prayer list and leave him be.

    Save your key strokes for someone who actually wants to be delivered from their sin. Even Christ said there comes a point when we must wipe the dust off of our feet. I’m thinking with sonofabishop, It just might be the time.

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