Osteen: "my message is not about doctrine"

Is it telling that the most popular Christian “preacher” in America is actually not a preacher but a motivational speaker with no biblical training whatsoever and seems uncomfortable using the bible? So for just $15, Joel Osteen gave his fans a motivational bailout speech in New York. [full article]

Osteen: “My message is not about doctrine. I don’t have to get 50 references from Scripture in a sermon for it to be a good sermon. I want to be careful not to criticize anybody or be negative. I feel like I don’t need to preach. I just want to talk to the people.”

Bible that he doesn’t like using:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” 2Tim 4:3-4

Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 1 Tim 4:13

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Tim 4:16

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 John 1:9-11

God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior Titus 1:2,3

And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? Romans 10:14,15

Osteen fan Sonja Smash: “He reaches everyone, regardless of your background, and goes beyond doctrine,” said Smash, 40, an executive assistant who discovered Osteen on TV. “He delivers a universal message, inspirational nuggets, something for you to chew on and contemplate. We don’t need just fire ‘n’ brimstone, but inspirational messages on how to live our daily lives.”

Bible she doesnt want to hear:

For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Heb 4:12,13

So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Eph 5:6

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42 thoughts on “Osteen: "my message is not about doctrine"

  1. Thank God for the Spirit of Truth that will teach you,guide you, and show you things to come.Joel and many other popular preachers are not preaching the gospel of Christ that is the power of God unto salvation,they are motivational speakers,orators,pyschological manipulators and emotional arousers with a large following but they are not anointed preachers sent by God to preach the Word.Jesus said ” many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many.” There is a Spirit of Truth and a spirit of error.

  2. At least his “fan” realizes that he isn’t teaching Christianity. The Gospel offends by its nature, though we shouldn’t add to the offense. But if Joel can preach to atheists and others and they not be offended or changed then he isn’t preaching the Gospel.

  3. This man is clearly not sent from God. I remember as as a teenager that Osteen seem to more a motivational speaker than a preacher. For grown folks to not get that….smh. However, God is so infinite in wisdom that he already forewarn that many will be deceived. I just have to keep in prayer and seek him diligently to give me discernment of spirits.

  4. Uh, I disagree on the teeth, and the teaching. Similac is right…with no iron. I’ve never seen so many pastors that don’t preach, yet call themselves pastors. I don’t get it. JESUS preached and pastored the multitude, yet HE never called himself a pastor. JESUS’ very Presence is offensive, it is convicting without HIM even saying a word. HE is Truth and Life, and HE did not consider offending anyone to the degree that HE ever changed, or ever will change, HIS message. HE knew that HE would offend many people but the Truth of GOD was and still is more important to HIM than the offense of a cracked vessel. And it should be to us, too. HE is the Truth.

  5. They have both missed the point! I dont know if he is false or not, he seems sincere to me but you can be sincerely wrong. (I think I will send him a message somehow and i would suggest others do that also.)

    Jesus said this world Hates me and would you, so once you preach Jesus as the only way to heaven you will offend people. Some times people think they love people more than Jesus, with this not wanting to offende and not wanting to say who would go to heaven or hell, but John 3:16 Jesus says If you dont believe in Him, you will persish! you cant get anymore offensive than that. So in this this Pastor Osteen is way off.

    You also dont need a lot of scriptures to preach doctrine but our hope and faith is based on our doctrine and nothing else. if not , you dont need an alter call or any reference to the bible but just tell people to be think positive.

    The lady talks about brim stone and fire, that is not docrine but talks of the wrath of God that would be poured out on the ungoldly. If you cannot get positivity from doctrine as a Christian you are in a sad state and dont know anything of the bible but just want a little fix like a crack head. It is when I understand doctrine that I feel empowered and make me realize that I am more than a conqueror. This makes me know that I am free from the law of sin and death and that I can destry any sronghold in my life. Most of all I am eternally secure in Christ because of His finished work on the cross!!

    Without Doctrine you cannot have a full understanding of who Jesus is and what He has accomplished!!

    I would like to say one thing about why a ministry like Pastor Osteen’s flourishes sometimes. I went to a church and all the Pastor spoke about was sin and God is gonna get ya! and it never helped me overcome my struggles. Many churches do this and preach hard at people instead of making the Holy Spirit do they work through the Word. Funny thing is you then here about them falling into sin many times and are always never as perfect as their beat down preaching, Its a joke at times. The Church must be more than a place to point out sin but then mentor me and show me how to overcome sed sin! and also a place where encouragment and acceptance abounds.

    Galatians 6:1Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

    now thats love!

    Pastor Osteens voice of hope is good but it must be balanced with sound doctrine after all he is ministering to millions every week, I pray this for him!

  6. WEll at least Similac has nutritional value for growing babes. Osteen’s gospel does not.

  7. I am sure many of us have family that “love ” Joel – or at least I do. To say anything aganist him is like speaking against God – there is the tragedy – a “thorn” that breaks my heart. Maybe we should remember, God’s time is not our time and we continue to pray for Joel and those who “worship” him will see the light – some day soon. He admits he leaves “doctrine” to others, and yet fails to see the damage he creates by ignoring it. It is in that fact that I say he speaks for satan,; for he does not love the truth. In fact he distorts the truth – he “talks” to the flesh. Deadly mix no matter how you “view” it.

    Those who have the Spirit of truth, by virtue of being born again, show a love of the truth and will turn and repent when they are presented with the facts.

    Sadly my own family and others fail to see this – yet I pray they will, and thank God other brothers and sisters are with me in that same prayer.

  8. If he doesn’t use scripture, then what do his followers use to confirm truth in what he is saying? There has to be some reference to the truth in his sayings, or else his sayings could be interpreted as a lie.

    This is why the Bible says, “Let no one deceive you in these last days.” He could get his “motivational speeches” from a cook book and no one would know, because we know for sure that he doesn’t use the Bible as reference.

    One thing we can stand on is the Word and that is all we have. Because we know that it is infallible.

  9. He does use scripture and sometimes right but there is no depth to his teaching, its all about encouragement which we need as Children of God mind you. I hope and pray that he will come around though as the Apostle Paul said we should go from milk to meat! that is talking about nothing else but sound doctrine. so you really cannot be a pastor and dont give the flock good nourishment. It is yes motivational speaking, in which the Word of God has a lot of that for those who believe but those who dont must be convicted of Sin, Righteousness and the coming Judgment, which is offensive and cannot be done without the Word of God!

    Lets us pray and send him messages somehow, maybe on his website.

  10. @Paul,

    You seem to have the most balanced take on Osteen and his ministry, and I agree on some things you say. He does use scripture, and his ministry is primarily encouragement.

    I don’t necessarily see anything wrong with have a ministry of encouragement…Paul talks about using our gifts in romans chapter 12

    For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function.

    I’ve not seen any documentation from anybody here that can show that Osteen never teaches about sin and going to hell and how bad humanity is and how wretched we are in the eyes of God… It is quite clear that Osteen’s strongest gifting is in the ministry of encouragement. Not every member of the body will serve the function of telling people that they’re bound for hell if they don’t repent and live right. Not everybody is called to fight against homosexual Christians to make sure that they know that they’re an abomination, and headed for the lake of fire. Not everyone in the body of Christ feel led to exclude the anybody who doesn’t subscribe to their interpretation of the word of God. Some people feel led to do that…and others don’t. That’s not everybody’s function in the body. Osteen’s ministry is but one function….not the totality of what the Body of Christ has to offer.

    Paul continued on in Romans 12 by saying…
    so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

    It would be foolish for the hands on someone’s body to continually make a fist and punch itself in the mouth…

    and it doesn’t make sense for that to be happening in the body of Christ.

  11. To say, “My message is not about doctrine” IS a doctrinal statement!

    You can either have good doctrine or bad doctrine but whatever you are teaching IS doctrine!

  12. Absolutely Rik,this is about doctrine, there is Sound doctrine and there is also unsound doctrine, divers and strange doctrines,even doctrines of devils and many are tossed to and fro,and carried about with every wind of doctrine, ,so you are teaching either Sound doctrine or one of the others.

  13. The struggle of moral absolutes and our current society. I would like to talk freely, the only agenda I have to push is that of truth and purity. I know that in God’s eyes that purity and a love for truth is a “fruit” that results from our relationship with him. In our society matters of Dogmatic tradition and ties to a “law based system” has left a sour taste in many’s mouth. The good news is that we are no longer placed beneath the strict stipulations of moses’ initial law that was important but not permanent. We are a people placed under a new covenant of grace that brings about the moral change that every person so longs for. In light of this, a delimma has arraived in our culture, a battling system of secular, religious, and new covenant ideoligies all wish to coexist. Is this coexistance possible, “opra-style?” How does one still admire purity and wish to embrace righeousness, when others see certain issues of purity to be a “threat” to their acceptance of what is the divinely acceptable. In other words, What is pure in gods eyes is being interpreted as failable by others. Sin is clearly stated as sin, many of these sins are presented as sin under the old covenant law. A life through christ under the new testament is feedom from the law; however, a life through christ makes all things new in ones spiritual persona. This newness brought about through crist has been wattered down by many as a “cliche” concept, but when it really occurs, changes happens in ones life: new motivations araise, new senses of purpose and identy come forth, desires and emotions are placed within their proper perspective, and the “new creation’s” agenda is in one accord with the holy spirit, who they have learned to relate and communicate with. All of this talk about newness is a great thing, and it brings to light something important: No we are not under the “law,” yet the law still has a sacred function. The law exposes sin and human inability, so that we will acknowledge sin as evil (anything that doesn’t reside in the heart of God) and turn to the “personal” aspects of Christ and the holy spirit to overcome. By using the new testament model, and personally becoming “one” in spirit with christ, the requirements of the Law will be fulfilled. So, the grace of christ under the new testament does not redifine sin as being acceptable, or nullify the acuracy of the old covenant judgements on sin. Paul even stated in his new testament letters (paraphrase) should I sin so that grace abounds, surely not. The new testament simply changes the objective of christianity to one of relationship, and freedom from sin is a wonderfull sideaffect. In light of all of this, the matter of covenential approach does apply to homosexuality. In all of my college English classes we have learned much about New-Literary methods of Interpretation. It is a latter 20th century method that has filtered into our society, and has greatly affected the interpretation of our constitution and the Bible. Basically, it allows one to assign a meaning to any document by analyzing its elements in any manner desired. “Original intent” of the document analyzed can be and is often disregarded. It is a great secular tool that is used to make any form of written standard subject for interpretation. Presupositions from this analytical sytem, naturalism, realism, and others have enabled “Christians” to compromise the obvious line that divides right and wrong. “God is love” and “the law isn’t applicable” are phrases that are true in one sense, but they are being used to recreate a system of homosexual Christianity that isn’t inspired or filled with the annointing of Christ. So what are the answers to the problem of Homosexuality? Should the scriptures be reinterpreted so that those in sin wont be left behind? I say that no sinner is beyond the reach of Christ. Homosexual’s don’t need to be spoon fed the old covenant untill theyre sick and full of shame, nor do they need to be kept in the absence of righteousness. They simply need the love of christ, and a reality of his presence that will lead them into the truth regarding the matter. Deception usually doesn’t hold volunteers captive. When one is decieved, he doesn’t know it. A system of compromise and reinterpretation that is far from God’s “original-intent” is fuel for deception, and in no way should be embraced by spiritual fathers. But “no one is perfect” don’t throw the “Baby out with the bathwater”, all has been spoken in defense of homosexual “love.” Love is a standard, not subject for rinterpretation. Corinthians tells us what love is, but it also tells us what it isn’t and what it “doesn’t.” In conclusion of all of this I would like to say a few things. I have been guilty of trying to surpress the homosexual agenda in the past by throwing law and shame at it. Corporately, I was not acting along. I believe that this approach to the problem has caused a “sub-society” of people who feel rejected and in need of defense. I do not wish to continue in this manner, nor do I wish to make gods “word” what I think it should be for the sake of sin justification. Overall, my standards are only where they need to be when they are the same as God’s standards that never change. I will pray and seek to love those who are confused, in homosexuality, and others who are without the spirit of God. Without bitterness in my heart, I will seek never to compromise the truths that god clearly presents before us. The only help that will bring freedom to the homosexual community is help that points to a non-cliche relationship with christ and the interaction with the holy spirit. That will take a true spirit led faith that goes beyond the conventions of traditional christianity.

  14. I dont believe his teachings are doctrinal. Doctrine is about the finished worf of Christ broken down. Regeneration, redemption, etc.

    In other words the principles that precedes the blessing of which he speaks.

    If I pick out “grace and mercy will follow me all the days of my life” I would want to know the basis of that statement, why will they follow me, this is where doctrine comes in for me.

  15. I do think Pastor Osteen should broaden his horizen as his flock will need a diverse diet as we all do. But I say pray!

  16. Paul,

    Buy a dictionary, the word “doctrine” means “a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject” which may or may not be “religious.” For example, Darwinism is a doctrine. So, indeed Olsteen is teaching DOCTRINE.

    Rik

  17. Osteen’s motivational gift of the Spirit may indeed be encouragement or exhortation. As a shepherd he cannot exclude the responsibility to “feed the flock of GOD”. He accepted the role as pastor so he must operate and behave as such and declare the whole counsel of GOD. Timothy was a young pastor and Paul told him to do “the work of an evangelist”. A pastor cannot merely exhort and encourage his flock. He must proclaim the entire counsel of GOD; which can be very encouraging.
    To whom much is given much is required. Osteen has the opportunity and privilege to speak to many thousands in his church and multiplied millions via televsion. He must be cognizant of this or do something different.

  18. I bet osteen will carefully watch his words next time…before he says something like “my message not being about doctrine.” I suspect that even though he said that…if we had a chance to discuss it with him, he would tell us that he meant to say that his message is not JUST about doctrine. which is a different thing altogether.

    But the truth of the matter is that if you don’t like Osteen…you just don’t like him. he could’ve said “My message is about the Gospel of Jesus Christ”, and you all would still find something wrong with that. In fact…the man could’ve answered ALL the questions during the interview with scripture only and you would STILL find something wrong with that. Just like the religious leaders in jesus’ day. They found something wrong with everything..

    It’s really sad….but there’s nothing new under the sun…

    And just like we understand that there’s heresy in the church and false prophets that we have to protect the church from….we must also realize that there are also a spirit of the Pharisees that we must protect the church from.

    That nitpicking, prideful, the only portion of scripture I know to justify my arrogance is I Corinthians 5, my interpretation of the bible is the ONLY truth, you’re going to hell if you don’t agree with MY interpretation, I understand the Law perfectly and what God was doing perfectly SPIRIT is still alive and well today, and shutting people out of the kingdom of God. and that’s more dangerous to the church than any homosexual….

    “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either.

  19. He just wants errbody to be heppy!. I misspelled on purpose. Somebody needs to wipe that grin off his face with some strong truth. He reminds me of the joker.

  20. Man, we just had this talk about Joel Osteen at bible study thursday. It is interesting that even in the body of Christ there are different views of this man’s teaching. Some say he is going away from beating up on people. Other’s say he is preaching damnable heresy. I say he has too much influence not to preach the gospel.

  21. gw1, that’s something that hasnt been brought out. If God truly gave Osteen this platform of huge influence, to squander it by seeking to appease people with a message which only “encourages” them (read:doesnt convict them), he will suffer a great loss. You can easily encourage people to come out of sin and live for Christ. But his message is clearly lukewarm. That is the most dangerous position to be in with Christ.

  22. No, Brother Porter…

    The critique here of Osteen’s “doctrine” is an attempt to ensure that people get INTO the Kingdom. Nitpicking about whether or not the way to the Kingdom is wide (easy, unrestricted and without constraint) or narrow (tight, limited and the only way in) may save many souls from a hell much worse than the judgement Osteen may face on this site. “Examine yourselves to see whether or not you are in the faith”…”

    For in the last days perilous times will come….”having itching ears (resltless and dissatisfied with truth) they shall bring to themselves teachers…that will turn them from the truth to fables.

  23. Thank you Elder Jimmy. Henry is one of those type of people who play the pharisee card whenever they dont like people being told about their sins. How hypocritical (and immature) is that to tell someone their wrong for telling somebody their wrong? Jesus told everybody about their sins including the pharisees.

    1 John 3:7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

    I guess Henry would really go ballistic over John telling people their father is the devil because they sin.

  24. @Elder Jimmy,

    And what exactly does Osteen need to do to ensure that people get INTO the kingdom?

    Even if he changed his gospel to a lawful, fussy, condemning, finger-pointing, hellfire & brimstone style that you all think he should…the very DAY that the man says something outside the way some people think it should be said…then he’s still declared considered wrong.

    Even if he did line up with ‘truth’ as you see it but his church was still as large as it is…that would be a problem also, because religious people can’t fathom how so many people can be drawn, and there not be something wrong with it.

    The critique of Osteen’s doctrine isn’t about his ‘doctrine’ at all. It’s about a SPIRIT that is never satisfied until the folk that they target are as miserable as they are…that’s why Nan can say crazy things like, “someone needs to wipe that grin off his face with some strong truth”…I mean c’mon..how ignorant could you be? People who grin and are happy don’t have strong truth?

    The only thign that will appease some people is if Osteen had a very small church like them, and preached a hellfire & brimstone message like them..

    It’s really embarrasing as a Christian to see these warped views.

    But Osteen is in good compay for sure, because Jesus’ teachings were considered heretical

  25. Thank you DL. Since you think you know who I am…Let me tell you about who you are. You are one of those type of people who operates in pride whenever somoeone doesn’t agree with what you say about the bible. and one of those people who want to appear as if they’re perfect to the world, when the truth is they’re not.

    GCMW: Youre quite welcome. Truth is just…truth. There’s not one instance on this blog, my numerous public appearances, extensive writings, personal relationships or private conversations where I have ever said, pretended or insinuated that I am perfect. As a matter of fact I have concluded perfection in holiness is defined as spiritual maturity. In that, I am mature, I am being matured and I will be mature. Your “pride” reference is another instance of immaturity on your part. That’s because you mislabel confidence in God’s word for pride in oneself. That happens when lifting people up means more that lifting the Saviour up. Nevertheless, let’s just talk facts Henry. There are innumerable instances of people disagreeing with me (just on this blog). I state my case, they state theirs. Sometimes it works itself out, sometimes it doesn’t. You may be the next example of how that works. Disagreement is acceptable, false teachings are not.

    How hypocritical (and immature) is that to rake a minister of the gospel (Osteen) over the coals on a blog without offering a hand of constructive help or instruction to get him back on track? Listen to what Jesus says about these type of people

    GCMW: From what I see plenty people including me have offered what we are supposed to offer: truth. That’s what Joel Osteen needs. If you feel he is off track, then you let me know the outcome of your sit down conversation (or phone with him). If you dont feel he is off track, then go start a blog where you praise him every time he opens his mouth. Sound like a fair deal? You also confuse examining recognized Christian leader’s (like Osteen) false teachings, not to mention compromise by God’s Word with hypocrisy. Again this is another unfortunate result of spiritual immaturity.

    Matthew 23
    Now Jesus turned to address his disciples, along with the crowd that had gathered with them. “The religion scholars and Pharisees are competent teachers in God’s Law. You won’t go wrong in following their teachings on Moses. But be careful about following them. They talk a good line, but they don’t live it. They don’t take it into their hearts and live it out in their behavior. It’s all spit-and-polish veneer.

    “Instead of giving you God’s Law as food and drink by which you can banquet on God, they package it in bundles of rules, loading you down like pack animals. They seem to take pleasure in watching you stagger under these loads, and wouldn’t think of lifting a finger to help. Their lives are perpetual fashion shows, embroidered prayer shawls one day and flowery prayers the next. They love to sit at the head table at church dinners, basking in the most prominent positions, preening in the radiance of public flattery, receiving honorary degrees, and getting called ‘Doctor’ and ‘Reverend.’

    GCMW: Thanks for another lesson (yawn) of the oft hated Pharisees. I wonder if you study any other groups mentioned in the bible. Have you checked out the Nicolatians? Jesus said he “hated” their deeds.

    Since you guess that I would go ballistic over John saying people’s father is the devil because they sin…does that mean that you DON’T sin??

    GCMW: There you go again rehashing that childish question. My answer is the same as before: its already been answered. If youre still unsure, read your bible and pray for revelation.

  26. You ARE insinuating that you are perfect when you reference John’s teaching that people’s father is the devil because they sin…YOU typed that…and unless you want to consider yourself a child of the devil, then one must assume that you don’t sin.

    GCMW: Or you just might be reading into something based on your own prejudices.

    The thing about the Pharisees was that they knew their stuff. They were well read, they studied their bibles, and they spoke in the synagogues…what’s there to hate about that? They were righteous men of God who followed the law of Moses. They were holy….but they didn’t embrace the spirit of God. It was all law..all letter…all black and white. Jesus hated their ways, not them and I don’t hate them or you.

    GCMW: Its good to know you dont hate me. I dont hate anyone either. I wont allow that to keep me from eternity with God. However, are we NOT supposed to study the scripture? We are not supposed to show ourselves approved UNTO GOD? We are not to hold fast to sound doctrine? We are not supposed to uphold God’s Word as our authority? If not, what do you suggest we reference? You seem to be confusing God’s Word with Moses’s law. We are to love God’s law. It is perfect, converting the soul. The pharisees didnt embrace “the Spirit” because it had not come yet. I do see your analogy although it doesnt seem to be applicable. I believe there is no proper interpretation or application of God’s Word without the leading of his Spirit.

    I personally don’t have an issue with Osteen or his teachings, and YES I disagree with you on this.

    Peace.

  27. You talk so much about truth. Why don’t you do a post about what ‘truth’ is….Maybe then i can recognize it….since I’m sooo immature…

    GCMW: Henry, there are hundreds of posts and thousands of comments on here that answer what truth is. Take some time off of commenting and read.

  28. What doctrine would you say is Joel Osteen then teaching?

    So you would say that he was wrong in saying that obviously.

    I am only refering to biblical doctrine.

  29. Fact really is that the Gospel must be preached! people must know after listening to a minister of the Gospel that they are totally lost without Christ.

    Jesus is not Gods best but Gods only Dor to the true and living God. This is not judging anyone, it is in Gods word, a plain as day.

    On this I fear that Pastor Osteen comes short as he said that only God can judge the hearts of Muslims, etc.

    This is the heart that God sees without Christ.

    Jeremiah 17:9
    The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

    we must pray for boldness in him!

  30. Henry
    Does Osteen preach on the command to repent? Does he speak of how wicked and vile we all are? Does he mention what comes out of our own hearts – – murder, sexual immorality, hate, jealousy, greed, selfishness, arrogance, idolatry, etc.?
    Has he said we are sinners without hope apart from the Lord Jesus Christ? Does he expound on the new birth?

    Have you been born from above Henry? Has God crushed you under the weight of your sins…bringing you to Godly sorrow which leads to repentance? Have you cried out, ‘O God have mercy on me!’ Are you a new creation in Christ, being changed from the INSIDE OUT? Only God can give us a new heart and put His Spirit within us {please read Ezekiel 36:26.27}.
    Too many today are professing Christ with their mouths, yet their hearts remained unchanged. They continue living just as they did before they professed Christ. That is because men like Osteen FAIL to preach the whole counsel, especially the doctrine of regeneration.
    ” Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” 2 Cor. 5:17
    “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. ” Gal. 6:15
    The ‘new creation’ is evidence of the power of God as He re-births a lost, wicked sinner into a ‘new creation’. This new creature no longer practices habitual sin. The rest of his/her life will be spent under the surgical ‘knife’ of the Great Physician as He cuts away sin in the life of His child. Obvious sins will be shed right away, others which are embedded a little deeper will come out as the new believer studies the word of God.

    Preaching His truth does not include picking and choosing what you want to say, or shying away for fear of not ‘filling up’ your church. The truth of God’s word is offensive and will NOT fill up a church, but instead, empty it. Lost sinners do not want to hear how sinful they are. They want to hear about the Jesus who will give them all their carnal hearts desire, material possessions, wealth, comfort…all this life has to offer. That is NOT what the true Gospel says, in fact, it states just the opposite. . .
    “If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.” John 15:19
    “Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.” 2 Timothy 3:12
    “Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” 1 John 2:15
    “So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.” Luke 14:33
    “Now godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and [into] many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.” 1 Timothy 6:6-9
    The word of God shoots holes in Osteen’s gospel of ‘your best life now’.

  31. Your assumptions about my concerns of Osteen’s lack of message say waaay more about you than I. You attempt to correct “judging” by judging others yourself? You really have no real knowledge as to what I might say about Osteen’s church if he corrected his unbalanced teaching. In fact, your OWN words echo a Pharisaical tone; you have judged based on your suppostion. We don’t adhere to your thoughts about Osteen’s doctrine so then WE are Pharisees? I don’t have a problem with large churches. I have a problem with churches that deceive people with watered down messages and insufficent teaching. Most admonitions here are for balance. There is something in between the message that Osteen brings and the “lawful, fussy, condemning, finger pointing, hellfire and brimstone” message you assume I/we feel essential to the gospel message.

    The fact that you pose to me a question that should certainly already be clear in your mind since the gospels; Christ own words and the NT epistles makes the answer to your question obvious to a believer, is not worth the effort my hands need to make to give a real answer.

    Incidentally, Jesus did once thin His crowd out with a hard word about His message. So He understood that the crowds do not automatically mean that all of them are disciples. You state that you feel that we critique Osteen simply because he has a large church. You have no idea as to what my motivations are beyond what I have disclosed. I am others are also miserable also as you have stated.
    Real misery is thinking you know the truth and not be aware that you don’t know that you don’t know.

  32. what? that doesn’t make sense, jesus was the fulfilling of the law. he said to the young ruler that the only thing he lacked was selling all his stuff and following him-after he had doen the commandments all his life. nbowhere does it say that you’re just supposed to be “motivational” in the Word of God, the unadulterated one that is. the scriptures above testify of that truth.

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