What do pigs have to do with homosexuality?

A lot if you believe some of the latest false teaching from one of Atlanta’s progay clerics.

Its unfortunate that WAOK 1380 in Atlanta helps to perpetuate ignorance and unbelief by propping up false teachers like the Rev. Kenneth Samuel to “educate” people on homosexuality.

Samuel’s host on the show Powertalk, (the Rev.) Lorraine Jacques-White is on par with him in the ignorance which they spread with consistency in Atlanta’s black community.  Here’s a sample of Kenneth Samuel’s enlightenment on the show.

One caller told Samuel, “In the Bible, it clearly says a man that lies with another man is an abomination.”

One would think that Samuel who boasts degrees from Emory and United Theological Seminary, would have truly said something enlightening. Instead, the same regurgitated false doctrine parroted hundreds of times by the gay christian movement comes tumbling out:

“There are many things in the Bible that are listed as an abomination. Eating pork is an abomination. I wonder how many Christians ate pork over this Memorial Day weekend. Do you think they felt they were an abomination as they put BBQ sauce over their pork? If we can make allowances for a pig, surely we can challenge the scripture when it comes to a human being?”

Challenge the scripture? A so-called minister of the gospel challenging the scripture? How silly and trite. If that’s the best multiple theological degrees can afford Samuels,  it seems he really wasted his time and money.

Maybe Samuel slept through his classes on proper hermenuetics, interpretation and right division of scripture.

The BBQ pig theory is just a silly as the overcooked shrimp theory.

As we have explained before  the Old Testament contains 3 types of laws: Ritual, moral and civil. Sometimes these three overlap. Prohibition of eating certain types of animals –like pigs– falls under ritual laws.  While all of the categories of known law reflect the nature of God and contain valuable universal lessons for all, not all are universally applicable. This is why 2 Tim 2:15 calls on us to “rightly divide” the Word in order to arrive at  proper application. Ritual laws applied only to the Jews, while civil laws applied to all who were under Jewish authority. However, moral laws (which covered all sexual conduct) are timeless, universal and applied to all people. Jesus intentionally broke ritual laws (Matt 7:2) and when the situation required, he broke civil laws. But there exists no evidence Jesus broke any moral laws. Nor is there any evidence he sanctioned or encouraged anyone else to do so.

Coverup?

With divorce among self identified Christians at the same levels as non Christians, why isn’t the Rev. Samuels out telling people to remain faithful and married to their spouses? Jesus also condemned putting away one’s wife, commonly known as divorce except in the event of adultery (Matthew 19).

Maybe Samuels should come back on the show and explain why in this bio he is married to the former Ms. Sherry Nichols with daughter Kendalle Marye, but in his current church bio, any mention of his wife has been scrubbed. Its unknown whether Samuels has actually divorced, but the dissapearance of the wife’s name is a tell-tale sign.

Samuel’s friend, progay pastor Dennis Meredith followed the a simular path quietly divorcing his wife all the while preaching in favor of homosexuality.  Then at a New Years’s eve service at his Tabernacle Baptist Church in Atlanta,  Meredith announced to his 85% gay church that he was bisexual. This is the main reason these hypocritical false teachers pervert God’s word to cover their own selfish, sinful motivations.

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21 thoughts on “What do pigs have to do with homosexuality?

  1. Wow, I used to use the “but the Bible says eating pork and shellfish is an abomination too!” argument, then I educated myself on the Bible’s concepts of moral laws versus ritual laws. If a gay, anti-religious skeptic like me could figure that out, there’s no excuse for a Christian minister not to.

  2. Take heed to yourselves is all I got to say, these men are too busy looking for loopholes to be credible in my eyesight. That (divorce) is the thing that is going under the radar in Christendom, because the homosexual issue is trying it’s best to be excepted by the masses.

    Good read, but you already know that these are False Prophets that you’ve made mention of in this article, calling a spade a spade, they spend the bulk of their time talking of what you can do, but thanks for pointing out the differences in those laws handed down to the Israelites, so that we can distinguish which are timeless

  3. Vaughn,

    Hold on a second, are you suggesting that gay activists are the reason why Christians are overlooking divorce?

  4. phoenixmd

    Don’t put words in my mouth

    If you have to, go and reread what I said maybe just a little slower this time!

    I was using a broad brush to say that one sin is overshadowing another. The activists portion you threw in, because when it comes to activists the one’s that I see that are suppose to represent the masses, I can hardly stand i.e. Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton etc… Most activists don’t necessarily represent the way that I feel, with everything that they say.

    And for that reason you will hardly ever see me with a picket sign, wont say never because never is a long time.

    I hope that this matter is cleared up!

  5. Vaughn,

    I read your sentence again. If you don’t mind, I’ll rewrite it with the correct punctuation and spelling:

    “That (divorce) is the thing that is going under the radar in Christendom, because the homosexual issue is trying its best to be accepted by the masses.”

    Now that it’s written properly, there’s still a problem. The word “issue” is an abstract noun and thus cannot perform an action. Abstract nouns must be modified by concrete nouns, such as “people.” In the context of this conversation, an issue like homosexuality needs advocates behind it in order to be imposed, otherwise it’s just a neutral entity. The gay rights movement didn’t occur spontaneously; it happened because activists brought their concerns out into the open. Therefore, not only is the phrase “gay activists are trying their best to be accepted by the masses” grammatically correct, it also makes more logical sense than “the homosexual issue is trying it’s best to be excepted by the masses.” An issue can’t do anything, whereas people can, so I assumed you were referring to gay activists.

    I hope this clears things up for you! In the future, it might be a good idea to slow down and write your sentences clearly and properly so that people don’t get confused.

  6. Thanks for the English lesson.

    Now what do you really want?, because As far as I know the Forum owner is an Activist for Christianity and NOT GAY RIGHTS. Or have you been keeping up?

    “The gay rights movement didn’t occur spontaneously; it happened because activists brought their concerns out into the open.”

    Is he fighting for Gay rights? I think not, if this is your dog, I choose not to partake in this hunt!

  7. Haha well if you’re going to be condescending toward someone, don’t be surprised when it backfires. Keep working on that grammar, Vaughn.

  8. Pot meet Kettle, you really amaze me.

    Are you a Dr. or a School Teacher?

    The point is these men are (would not want to use an apostrophe, Would we?) not representing the God I know, while you’ve shifted this into an argument about grammar, while being condescending to boot. How dare you!

    But I can tell you are not at this for the glory of God or representing Him as a child of His. You are a reason why I seldom comment on a site like this because of your effort to shift the importance of what was said by the author of this article.

    Now go and bother someone else!

  9. How is it decided which of God’s Laws are moral and which are ceremonial and civil (and thus obsolete)?

    In many cases, we decide if the laws make sense, seem permanent, and seem moral to us.

    Consider how the old testament mixes commandments without any division or separation:

    Exodus 23:9-11 You shall not oppress a stranger, since you yourselves know the feelings of a stranger, for you also were strangers in the land of Egypt. “You shall sow your land for six years and gather in its yield, but on the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, so that the needy of your people may eat; and whatever they leave the beast of the field may eat. You are to do the same with your vineyard and your olive grove.

    Vs.9 is clearly a moral issue (not oppressing foreigners), but it is immediately followed by what many would call a ceremonial regulation (letting the land have Sabbaths). The Law makes no distinction.

    Furthermore, this raises another question: what makes something wrong? Is right and wrong defined by God or does it define God? If God defines right and wrong, then isn’t it just as immoral to violate a Sabbath year as it is to oppress and stranger?

  10. God places within every person a basic sense of right and wrong. Its not that complicated if you truly want to obey God.

    Sexual immorality is not a ceremonial law. It was a civil law which interfaced with the moral laws. That’s at the crux of this discussion, not the Sabbath or what defines God. That’s silliness, So let’s not go down that road.

  11. Well, actually in the New Testament, Peter said that he had never eaten any unclean thing.The swine is still unclean and really we should not eat it or shellfish, calamari (yuck) that’s disgusting, etc. Some of the things we put in our mouth we should think about seriously and stop fooling ourselves that it’s ok to eat it cause it really is wrong, but we all make a choice. The guy uses the statement because even he knows it’s wrong to eat unclean things, but to try to use it to make an excuse for his sins is wrong and two wrongs don’t make a right.We need to clean out bellies and our minds.

  12. Jesus fulfilled the law for us but always spoke about right holy living and came against them who thought they were good because they followed the law and did not walk in love(Matt 23)

    Matthew 5:17
    [ The Fulfillment of the Law ] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    Romans 10:4 (King James Version)
    4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    Also Paul asked the church at Galatia, have you already turned from the truth, when false teachers said they need to be circumcized.Glatians 1-(great read).

    However he always instructed the church to live moral lives.

    This was also the counsel to the Gentiles from the disciples.

    Acts 15:19-21 (New King James Version)
    19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[a]from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

    God bless!

  13. Nan, quote the whole thing now. God told Peter not to call anything He cleans unclean. The message was about talking the good news to the gentiles more so than about food though.

    I do agree many of these food are unhealthy!

  14. technically speaking, there is no separation between the ceremonial, civil, and moral laws…when we see Jesus and Paul mention the Law in the NT, it is mentioned as one unit…so when Jesus fulfilled the Law, He fulfilled the whole Law…the whole Law was nailed to the Cross….that being said, Mr. Samuel wants to cling to this pig argument while ignoring the many places in the NT that say fornication/homosexuality is sin…

  15. I think Galatians 5 sums it up actually!

    Galatians 5
    1Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
    2Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
    3For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
    4Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
    5For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
    6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
    7Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
    8This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
    9A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
    10I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
    11And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
    12I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
    13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
    14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    15But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
    16This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
    17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
    18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
    19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
    20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
    21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
    24And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
    25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    26Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

  16. In this article it is noted that in the Old Testament “all sexual conduct laws are moral law and therefore universal.” I wonder why in Lev 18:6-13 the scripture forbids men from having sex with their sister and/or half sister while in Gen 20:12 we see Abraham admitting that his wife was actually his biological half sister. Also Lev 18:18 says as long as a man’s wife is alive he should not marry one of her sisters. It always baffles me how the man Jacob, who seemed to have dishonored many of the “universal laws” we hold so dear (marrying sisters, having sex with other women while being married, ie. Leah, Rachel, Bilhah and Zilpah), yet God used him to create such a legacy in our God story that will last throughout eternity. I realize that these characters appeared before the written Jewish law but we also preach and teach the theology that God is immutable and can never change.
    I assure you it is the “study and dividing” of scripture that has caused many of us to come to the understanding that many scripture that was once believed to be so absolute must be rethought and reevaluated in order for Christianity to be truthful and not hypocritical.
    I pray that we will have the courage to do that for the sake of our Faith that it might not die out in this post-modern age.

  17. Juanita, your question is legitimate so let’s give it a legitimate response.

    We should work from this start point expressed by David in Psalm 19:
    The law of the Lord is perfect,reviving the soul.
    The statutes of the Lord are trustworthy,making wise the simple.
    8The precepts of the Lord are right,giving joy to the heart.
    The commands of the Lord are radiant,giving light to the eyes.
    9The fear of the Lord is pure,enduring forever.
    The ordinances of the Lord are sure and altogether righteous.

    As you mentioned, God (and his laws) are immutable. In contrast people change constantly. Thus it is always for us to follow and uphold that which changes not.

    Neither people nor their actions can change the law of God. There is no evidence anywhere in scripture which tells us God changed his laws because of the failings of people. What he changed was the venue of his law. Instead of writing them on stone tablets, he wrote them on the fleshly tablets of our hearts. Heb 8:10 Thus, his law stands as perfect.

    You mentioned Jacob and Abraham. Indeed both committed sins. The question is do we use Jacob and Abraham’s moral failings as a pattern for our lives or do we use God’s perfect law? Though the bible records their failings, there is no approval of their failings. And neither is there any approval for our sins so I think the answer is clear.

    We must acknowledge that we have sinned. This is where you and the gay christian movement err greatly. You refuse to acknowledge that the law of the Lord is perfect and that it contains no approval for your sin.

    Secondly, you repeat a common misconception that God “using” an individual to accomplish his will is somehow an equivalent to righteousness. Not so.

    Jesus blew the lid off this perception when he explained that many would come to him in the judgment and list their accomplishments which they did “in his name”. Yet, he says (almost coldly) “I never knew you.” Its akin to stealing someone’s credit card and using it. Yes, it will get you what you want (in that person’s name) but it doesnt change the fact that you have no authorization (based on relationship)to do so. You are a thief and a robber.

    Further, most use the “donkey principle” when justifying the sins of others. But they miss one important point. After God used the donkey, he went back to being a donkey. The same ole jackass he was before. Is that really what we want to compare ourselves to?

    In short,nothing needs to be reevaluated other than the own wickedness in our hearts that despise God’s law. Stop holding up people (and their sins) as our example and hold up God’s law as our example. It is perfect, converting the soul.

  18. Wow!! That was an excellent response to Juanita Mathis’ question. Bottom line is this…obey. It’s just that simple … obey. Keep spreading the truth…it will make you free.

    Oh…I enjoyed the grammar lesson as well…LOL

  19. gcmwathch I appreciate your answer and it sounds good in theory but the bottom line is it simply is not as simple as you and cassandra think. Let’s just take the 10 commandments when you say the only answer is to just obey. You have to be operating within your own culture, experience, background, etc. in order to obey what you believe is written. For example one commandment states that “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.” if I were to casually ask 100 Christians what this means-what is this commandment telling them to do, without them doing any research as to what it meant to the Jewish culture in their time, you may receive 50 different answers to this question. What does it really mean to Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy? I know what many of us think that means in our Western Christian culture, but what did it mean for people to obey this commandment 2500 years ago in the Middle East?

    And I realize you may say-but now we are not under the law-but what I am attempting to do is to illustrate to you it is not simply that easy to say “just obey the law of God because the law is righteous.” The point I was making about Jacob and Abraham is that they are not just people who we may or may not look to as examples of right living but they are major, major characters in our Faith story who have been allowed either by us or by God, to remain as founding figures in our belief. You are not going to be able to say much about the foundations of Christianity without highlighting the lives of Abraham and Jacob. It just seems to me if the part of the law that I mentioned in Leviticus was so important to God that God would have Himself kept Jacob out of his Holy purpose as you all are always suggesting that gay people should be left out. I mean after all during those times of Jacob God was striking people down dead who offended him, consider the fellow who reached out and touched the Ark of the Covenant as it was carried down the street.

    I think your comment about God placing His law in our hearts is on point, although we would probably disagree on how that works. When I accepted my call into ministry 25 years ago as a woman, I almost became discouraged because of the naysayers interpretation of scripture as to what a woman’s place was in the Kingdom and work of God. I am so glad I listened to the unction that was in my heart and not people’s interpretation of what the bible meant for me. In doing so I found that there were many interpretations to that “women must kept silent in the church,” scripture. Many times in order to LIVE my brother you must follow your heart otherwise you will die and the religious world want even notice.

    GCMW: Juanita, satan has seduced you that’s clear from your own rebellious, misguided words. You’ve been deceived and rebellious for 25 years and its time to submit to God. Youre not his minister, because satan has control of your life. The Lord know those who belong to him, because they depart from iniquity in order to please him. Repent and leave that homosexual relationship you have so much pride in. God is not pleased with it when women dishonor the bodies he created for his glory.

  20. Juanita Mathis said : “You are not going to be able to say much about the foundations of Christianity without highlighting the lives of Abraham and Jacob. It just seems to me if the part of the law that I mentioned in Leviticus was so important to God that God would have Himself kept Jacob out of his Holy purpose as you all are always suggesting that gay people should be left out. I mean after all during those times of Jacob God was striking people down dead who offended him, consider the fellow who reached out and touched the Ark of the Covenant as it was carried down the street.”

    WHAt????? Which Bible are you reading Juanita? Abraham and Jacob first appeared in Genesis……long long long time BEFORE Leviticus, and long BEFORE the giving of the Ten Commandments.

    Uzzah was struck down for touching the Ark of the Covenant in the times of DAVID (not Jacob), Jacob was long long long dead….

    Please try and stick to the Word.

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