Gospel industry workers pay "tribute" to SOTUS

obamagospelJust a little stunning, but then again after this, this and this, the black gospel industry has made it clear they are only representing themselves, not Christ. Still the Obama worship is a little unsettling.

In June, gospel industry workers including Israel Houghton, Marvin L. Winans, Vanessa Bell Armstrong, Dottie Peoples, Micah Stampley, Donnie McClurkin, Kelly Price and others released a “tribute” album to the fake savior of the united states (SOTUS), Barack Obama. According to ILovegospelmusic.com, “This unique collection of songs captures the sense of hope that Barack Obama embodies.”

And just  in case you think they are giving Obama special glory, they want you to know that they’re also “honoring” God and their country, too. I bet God is really jumping for joy over that recognition. God gets equal billing with Barack Obama, but Obama gets the album cover (intentional sarcasm).

There’s some exceptionally creepy about using music supposedly for the glory of God to praise and deify a man who embraces so many beliefs opposite God’s word.

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66 thoughts on “Gospel industry workers pay "tribute" to SOTUS

  1. Well I can’t say that I am surprised but it is still awful!! Really is there any discernment left out there?

    Again, if we cannot discern the simple things of what a Godly Leader is supposed to look like, then how are we going to discern when the Anti Christ comes along who will be far far more intelligent and deceptive then any political leader?

    I wish I could honestly say that there was something Obama was doing that was somewhat Christ Like but I cannot….

    And these Gospel singers are putting there ethnicity before the Truth of Christ…truly that is shocking and awful for them…

    Pray for President Obama..pray for his Salvation and wisdom..pray for his protection and his loved ones protection…but be discerning in these dangerous times and never put anything ahead of Christ….before my family, before my country, before my wealth and career, before my ethnicity, I count them all rubbish compared to our Blessed Savior!

    Take care


  2. When are black folks going to finally wake up? The black church is being played like a banjo by a President who says he’s a devout Christian. Yet, it’s so evident that his perspectives are in serious conflict with the Word of God. Even worse is that there’s still the multitudes in church leadership — pastors included — who refuse to even acknowledge Obama’s ungodly agenda and they even continue to pray fervently that this man succeeds. That makes no sense at all. Shame on the black church, shame on Black America. All of us should be asking God to show mercy on our nation, and we also need to pray that the President repents on his positions regarding abortion and same-sex marriage. When it comes to the basics of what God is all about, you can’t get any more basic than the value of human life and the sanctity of marriage as ordained by the Creator in the book of Genesis. It’s the right thing to do.

  3. Youre right those are bread and butter issues for the church. If you cannot advocate for the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage which produces life, then all else becomes window dressing religion.

    Unfortunately the black church is good at that these days.

  4. like i said before…Im glad i recognized this dude before hand and didnt help him get in even though it was inevitable. it does seem like alot of people who claim to be saved and livin for the lord are blatantly dismissing all of the truth about obama out of their heads and are only focused on so called “history”. is it history that we have a somewhat black man in the office who is doing things that the previous white presidents probably wouldnt do? if you ask me i dont care too much for that so called history.the main issue i believe with the black people and black church in reference to getting the SOTUS in is a lack of information. and i dont believe that its because it wasnt there, people just didnt want it!!! they were sold at the moment they saw him. but just as alot of you know there are a lot of people who already regret the decision they made by now because they finally could see his real agenda, but the blinders had already done the job they needed to do. i encourage people to google the dvd “THE OBAMA DECEPTION” and watch it. it will give you even more of a perspective on things that will be happening during his term, or terms. make sure to get some of his die hard followers and worshippers to watch it as well. the word says that the people perish for a lack of knowledge right?

  5. Craig, The love of money is the root of every kind of evil!

    I tried to convince people that as a Christian our Agenda is not the economy or our race but righteousness but to no avail. I told many that Jesus said our heavenly Father knows what we need He is our source but it fell on deaf ears, even my wife and that still burns me even now!!!!

    Pastor Foster, I believe most of these songs were on other albums, I am however sure that the Artists have to consent to their song being on the album.

    This album is not promoting a God but Pres. Obama and a skin color.

    I dont get it? I am so tired, please pray for me!!!

  6. Just read this comment on another blog

    “Hmmm… interesting lineup. I say that because 6 of the 11 songs are from TD Jakes’ Dexterity Sounds releases.

    “Send Me To The Nations” and “A Path In The Sea” are from “A Wing & A Prayer”.

    “King Inside Of Me” and “Brothers & Friends” are from “He-Motions”

    “The Curtain’s Raised” and “Closing In” are from “God’s Leading Ladies”.

    Just an observation.”


  7. There is no easy way to say this but our President has the spirit of the anti-Christ on him. We know this because of all the foolish things people say about him. Like calling him the black Moses or singing a worship song unto him.

    He also is under the spirit of Jezebel. How you ask? Well Jezebel was a false god worshiping witch who cause the people Israel to sacrifice their babies to baal. She used the Nation of Israel’s money to build up the temples to the false gods.
    President Obama is using our taxpayer dollars to fund abortion clinics here in America and overseas. If you didn’t realize an abortion clinic is nothing more than a temple built unto moloch and baal to “pass them through the fire.” Sure the doctors don’t burn them up but it is still shedding innocent blood in our Lord’s eyes.
    4500 abortions every DAY in America.
    1500 abortions every DAY alone in the black community….

  8. I believe we err when we expect political leaders to follow our religious beliefs. Political leaders are elected to shepherd the politics of our time; religion is for the church to champion.

    No president is going to be perfect, nor are we going to agree with 100% of their issue positions. I may have agreed with George Bush on the gay marriage issue, but barely anything else. With his lack of curiosity and depth on any issue he was easily manipulated by others who had their own agenda. (It was obvious that, when taken off script, Bush had little knowledge beyond sound bites on any subject — and I admit reluctantly that, as a Texas resident, I voted for him.) Getting America into an endless war in Iraq based on lies is far worse than anything I could imagine Obama doing.

    A McCain/Palin administration would have been even worse — McCain was almost at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy and Palin — well, it took her six years to obtain a 4-year degree. Anyone who listens to her for more than 5 minutes can tell she lacks any grasp of the issues and uses folksy language and eye winks to make her points.

    I agree that Obama should not be viewed as some sort of Messiah, but the alternative (we only had two people to choose from for president) would have been much worse. I believe that his presidency represents advancement for African Americans in this country, something that our children can aspire to (they now know that it pays to get a good education), and the insertion of some new/different ideas and intelligence into the body politic. That’s a good thing.

    Do I agree with him on every issue? No, particularly on gay rights. But for those who are hard on him, I would hope they would admit that any Democrat (including Hillary Clinton) was going to have about the same issue positions on both gay rights and abortion. With the small number of Republicans in the party now and the use of coded language being passe’, we now see the ugly underbelly of racists that now make up the core of the Republican Party. This whole “birther” movement is nothing more than some people refusing to accept that a Black man is legitimately President of the United States. Keeping these right-wing nuts from getting into power anytime soon is well worth whatever flaws Obama may possess.

    GCMW: Gwen, the issue of the article isnt on whether or not Obama is following Christian beliefs. And its not a discussion about Bush, McCain, Gore, et al and the merits/demerits of their political administrations. The question is why does the church pay such undeserved (and unprecedented) homage to a political leader? Why would anyone use gospel music to praise/pay tribute to a political leader? Isnt God’s music supposed to be used exclusively to praise and glorify him? I cant recall any other president who has been a recipient of such church adulation. If so, please point it out.

  9. Gwen, surely you jest, “I believe we err when we expect political leaders to follow our religious beliefs.”

    I believe the President went to various churches as many Lieiticians….I many Politicians do and he pronounced his Christian faith.

    We expect those who pronounce their Christian Faith to adhere to it!!!

    I think that’s fair.

  10. “I believe we err when we expect political leaders to follow our religious beliefs.”

    The word “our” throws me off, that should say “His”, he always says, “as a Christian”.

    Anyway, as Pastor has said, this article is about paying “a gospel tribute to Pres Obama”, now isnt that just the stupidest thing you have ever heard? “GOSPEL” tribute to a man?


  11. Your points are well taken and I hope you understood mine. I agree with you that no President should be held up as a “Messiah,” which I indicated. My point is that just about all of our Presidents have declared their “Christian faith.” Bush said he was a born again Christian. That didn’t stop him from ordering the overthrow of the Iraqi government under completely false pretenses, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and nearly 5,000 American soldiers. Nor did it open his eyes to the devastation that was occurring in New Orleans after Katrina.

    I do not jest when I say that our political leaders are not religious leaders. They are politicians and we do err when we expect them to be anything else.

  12. “isnt that just the stupidest thing you have ever heard? “GOSPEL” tribute to a man?”

    Paul N,
    It is stupid and unbelievable! The Gospel pertains to Jesus Christ (the real one!). Well, they are letting us know in whom their allegiance lies, hence the fake “SOTUS”! These people have forgotten that God is “Jealous”! Woe, woe, woe!!!

  13. Gwen I get it that you think the war was unjust. Your comments seem more geared to vilifying Bush (in the context of his political decisions) than addressing the lavish, idolatrous praise heaped unjustly on Obama. In fact, there were no gushing “gospel tributes” to Bush (or anyone else for that matter). In fact Bush’s actions were met with general hatred and derision. I dont recall any church –white or black– singing his praises. So other than a declaration of Christian faith, I dont see a comparison.

    While I dont expect Obama to be a religious leader, he certainly is more than any other I know, attempting to be one. What do you say of that.

  14. Gwen, did i hear you right when you said “getting america into an endless war is far worse than anything you can imagine obama doing”. WOW! i mean i dont like the war either and i didnt vote for either of the candidates because i didnt like what either one stood for. do you not realize that the enemy is using obama to usher in a war RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA!! a war between the world and the church. shutting up the mouth of the church is one of his main objectives. me personally i dont see why black youth, or any other race of youth would want to aspire to be a president! he’s only controlled by the people who really make the decisions in this country. he is just the front man for a group of people who think they control the world, which everyone will see when they unveil this new world order business. obama is just the salesman and he does a good job sellin his mess to the people who want it. i apologize for getting off topic pastor foster, i dont see how in the world people can make a tribute to this dude…its jus foolishness

  15. Pastor Foster:
    You and I will have to agree to disagree on this one. My point was not to villify Bush — I indicated that I voted for him (twice, in fact). The point I was making is that just because a politician agrees with a voter on one or two issues, doesn’t mean he is going to be correct on everything. The converse is also true: Just because a politician may disagree with the voter on one or two issues, doesn’t mean he is wrong on everything. I agreed with Bush regarding gay marriage. But I learned from my vote for Bush that voting on single issues can ultimately lead to folly in our political system. The president and every political leader down the food chain is a politician first and since our system is based upon separation of church and state, that is probably for the best.

    IMO, I think you are projecting some of the behavior from people who admire Obama (some of it admittedly to the level of deification) and concluding that he sees himself that way. I’ve observed him very closely for the past two years and I don’t see that from him. He seems to be confident without being arrogant (not easily done). If you read his books, which I have, he wasn’t raised as a religious person at all and accepted Jesus Christ at Rev. Wright’s church. I think he believes in the adage “do unto others as you would have them do unto you,” but as a politician, he can be persuaded by the squeaky wheel–the one that makes the loudest voice. I really don’t like his position on gay rights, but the gay activists aren’t particularly happy with him either.

    As a politically active person for a couple of decades previously, I learned a valuable lesson: Anyone who puts their faith in a politician needs to have their head examined. I became an Independent voter 10 years ago because neither party, nor its political leaders, has all of the answers. I put my faith in God. Man will let you down every time.

  16. “The point I was making is that just because a politician agrees with a voter on one or two issues, doesn’t mean he is going to be correct on everything”

    Very interesting point and I agree, this is however why we must stick to our guide in the bible, what is it to us that carries the most weight. Its not the economy in Gods eyes, neither is it giving black youth something to aspire to. We need to stop thinking earthly and set our minds on heavenly things.

    As far as the war (Which I hate), please let us not lose sight that God will use leaders to punish wicked leaders, he did in the Old Testamant and I dont see why He wouldnt do it now. There is no telling what Sadam couldve gotten up to. Hey, you never know.

    I would like to say that War will never ever cause the numbers of death that Abortion has, put all recent wars togther and the numbers are not even close.

    What is happening under this Presidency is a total lack of regard for holiness, abortion, and homosexuality will be rampant under the guise of civil rights. Pres. said the gay community wil be happy at the end of his presidency. Trust me, America has been excellerated into moral decline, wait and see when this term is over!

    Its not about one group but anytime you legislate sin you are in big trouble.

    Righteousness exhalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people!!

    God bless!!

  17. Paul:
    I don’t think you should give God the credit for the overthrow of Sadamm Hussein. The neoconservatives had been planning to unseat Sadamm Hussein for years and tried to goad President Clinton into doing so. The fear that people had after 9/11 was the opening they needed to convince Bush to do so, by falsely connecting Hussein to the 9/11 attacks. God would not support overthrowing an independent nation based upon lies.

    Sure, Sadamm was a dictator, but there are dozens of dictators around the world. It is not our job to go into an independent nation and overthrow their government. Would we like it if another country didn’t like our President and decided to overthrow our government?

  18. Gwen I dont disagree with your content. Youre right. I just disagree with the application of the content to the information presented. Its like apples and oranges. You seem to be arguing a political point (Bush’s decisions et al are no better than Obama’s decisions) to a theological dilemma (God alone deserves glory from his people). Certainly this is a case of idolatry on the part of many church folk.

    Personally, Obama’s wrong positions against abortion and homosexuality are but a small part of why I oppose him. I imagine its the same with most folk who do. However I will help pull down any idol the church attempts to lift up, with no respect of persons or idols.

  19. Gwen, I understand what you are saying. I didnt say God did but that He did before and I dont see why He coulndt have done it in this case and it really doesnt matter how it came about.

    The most critical thing is where this administration is taking the US (most of the world will follow, Idolatry and how blinded by color many people in the Church are.

    God bless!!

  20. We can all agree that idolatry is wrong. But I echo the question presented by Paul N: Can Pres Obama be blamed for the idolatry?

    To link President Obama to the anti-Christ is absurd. Of course, I remember when some people (Democrats) were saying that Ronald Reagan was the anti-Christ, pointing to the six-letter initials in his first, middle and last names.

    If we don’t agree with someone politically, it is not necessary to ascribe them with an evil motive. People used to greatly admire Ronald Reagan (who I didn’t vote for) and I didn’t understand the pedestal he was placed upon. The difference is that I didn’t call him the “anti-Christ” simply because I didn’t agree with him politically. And for the person who said that Obama is doing the bidding of others — what President doesn’t.

    I guess what I am saying is that people shouldn’t have unrealistic expectations of Obama, good or bad. People shouldn’t idolize him, nor call him names and ascribe an evil motive because they disagree with him politically. His actions in office are no different than any other President who makes the decisions that he indicated during the campaign. Obama really is doing exactly what he said he would do. Perhaps some people weren’t listening.

    GCMW: Gwen, as a Christian we are to be watchful. The a/c will be a political leader with religious power and associates. While the a/c is not hiding under every bush, we cannot afford to ignore the signs. Ive said before Obama isnt the a/c, but he is certainly a sign…a shadow, perhaps moreso because of the religious adulation afforded him, which again is imo unprecedented. THAT is the difference I am pointing out.

  21. No, I dont blame Obama for being the object of the idolatry. He probably isnt unaware of the extent of what the church folk are doing. But neither was Dagon and God still knocked it down.

  22. Gwen, I was thinking about what you have said and I agree that we should not put expectations on politicians even if they say they are Christians. My question is then that since Pres Obama does not adhere to his own Christian values and even says that Jesus is not the only way to heaven why on earth are many in the black Church going crazy over him?

  23. I didn’t know this video existed. It’s a shame that “christians” are dedicating a song to a “man”. People were voting for Obama without even knowing what he stood for. It was all about making history. It’s a shame. I don’t know if Obama is the Antichrist, but it seems the stage is being set for the antichrist to appear. Buckle up people of God. We must stand united in the faith of Jesus Christ. People are going and already trying to stop the mouths of the true christians. Come Lord Jesus….

  24. Paul N: You are correct Obama did deny the fact that Jesus was the only way to heaven. The fact that Jesus IS the ONLY way cannot be debated. That fact is an essential fact of the christian faith. Even after Obama’s admission black clergy and their congregations were still “endorsing” Obama.

  25. Keep in mind that as America’s first Black president, something that many people thought they would never live to see (including me), Obama does represent a modern-day miracle to a lot of people. I agree that some people can carry it too far, but it is based on the hope that many people believe his presidency symbolizes. One can call it misplaced hope, but it is hope nonetheless for millions.

    People on the political right idolized Ronald Reagan (and still do) as much as Black people and people on the political left are idolizing Obama. That’s why people on the political right still refer to Reagan as the ideal, even though we’ve had two Republican presidents (both of the Bushes) since him. For a lot of people, Reagan could do no wrong. Many also idolized John F. Kennedy. Although his presidency was before my time, Kennedy is still highly admired. A lot of it has to do with the fact that he was assassinated.

    People tend to forget what happened in the past and instead act as though the present is a new thing. “There is nothing new under the sun. . .”

    There is certainly a current attack on Christians and Christianity, but this is also nothing new either and has happened periodically in the past. It may be more an indication of a cycle that occurs every so many decades or centuries, rather than a sign of the anti-Christ.

    I believe when we throw terms like “anti-Christ” around so loosely, these terms lose all validity. As Christians, we must adhere to the commandment that says, “Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” Name-calling is never a good way to make an argument. As a victim of name-calling from gay activists, I try never to fall into that trap.

  26. This is unnerving!!! Oh my!!! Even if I were to totally ignore the ungodly position that Obama takes on issues, the fact that they would do this type of album is… well, the word that comes to mind is abominable! That video clip was disturbing, to say the least. And that Bible cover – I hope that’s something that someone did with Photoshop, because if they’re actually making and selling those….
    This is idolatry at it’s worst! I don’t recall a Bush or Clinton tribute albums or a Regan Bible cover. These people need Jesus.
    In case it’s not obvious, I’m bothered beyond words.

    GCMW: Jon, the bible cover isnt photoshopped. Its called the “Obama Prayer Changes Things Bible Cover” And if it wasnt out of stock, you could order it here.

  27. Gwen,
    Thanks so much for taking the time to so eloquently express my sentiments on this issue.
    I have often said that the President of the United States is not a religious, but a civil leader and as such in a democracy must seek to represent and lead all of its citizens as best as he or she can. Many of the positions that we as Christians hold are based on our belief and interpretation of the Bible as the Word of God. However, many people in our secular society don’t have the same regard for the Bible and view it only as a religious book. Therefore, it becomes incumbent upon us to make arguments for our position based on some other facts, values, etc., in many instances in order to persuade people of the rightness of our cause in the civic arena if we are trying to effect public policy.
    I think it must be very difficult for a Christian to be a politician and deal with the conflicts that must arise between personal religious convictions and the law and public policy.How do you reconcile the two and still be of service and remain your integrity?

    Thoughts anyone?

    PS Pastor Foster I know this is not the actual subject of the post, but I just wanted to follow up this train of thought a bit. Hope you don’t mind, but I really enjoy thoughtful discussions.Thanks!

  28. Thanks Gwen, I would like to ask which President has attacked and mocked Christianity the way Pres. Obama has, even the word of God? that statement baffles me a bit because the principles of Christianity seem to be a thing that Americans are or atleast were proud of.

    Another thing of note is that many in the black Church knew prior to this presidency the things he stood for, I hope so atleast.

    So according to what you have said, the black Church simply have endorsed Pres Obama because he is black?! well and the economy. Thats very dangeous because if the Anti Christ comes in black skin would the church be in support?

    Very frightening!

  29. Paul N:
    If you may recall, President Clinton was proudly endorsed and embraced by the Black church throughout his entire 8 years in office. Clinton, too, supported abortion and gay rights. In fact, he signed the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” bill from Congress and paid a political price for it in the election which followed — the Congress and Senate both went from majority Democratic to majority Republican. Clinton’s sexually daliances outside his marriage were well known and documented and, as we all know, he was impeached by Congress for lying under oath about having “sexual relations” with Monica Lewinsky. Obama, on the other hand, has been completely faithful to his wife, Michelle, and has been a model husband and father.

    Black people were some of Clinton’s biggest supporters (I didn’t vote for him either time, largely because I didn’t like his penchant for lying with the straight face, nor his inability to be a faithful husband), but I don’t remember anyone labeling him the anti-Christ.

    Also, in an earlier comment, someone made reference to society’s moral decline, as if Obama is responsible for this. Society has been experiencing a moral decline since I can remember — the moral standards get lower about every five years. The dominance of television has a lot to do with it.

    As an example, if one watches reruns of “I Love Lucy,” Lucy and Rickey went to bed fully dressed and slept in separate beds, even though they were married. I believe this program was originally filmed in the late 1950s. Fast forward to 2009, even in prime time, anybody can be in bed with anybody, completely nude, regardless of gender or age. In fact, nowadays, it is rare to see two people in bed together on television who actually are married.

    Obama has been in office less than a year and society’s problems certainly did not begin when he took the oath on Jan. 20th. They will certainly not end when he leaves office either.

  30. I made a comment a while back when John P. Kee made his “worship” song to SOTUS. I said that John P. Kee was blinded and deceived. I got a couple of emails back stating that I was (everybody say it together)…. JUDGING….and that God was going to get me because I was talking about John P. Kee!!!

    This is my first time hearing Ms. Benita Washington. I’m honestly a little dumbfounded. How can this man say all of the things he said before the election in regards to homosexuality, abortion, and “socialism”, and still get supported by black people who, for the most part, disagree with all of those issues? And then “christian” artists make songs to confirm and validate this guy?
    I believe they are blindly worshiping Mr. SOTUS. And as far as making the difference between politics and proclaimed christian beliefs: TRUE CHRISTIAN BELIEFS TRUMP POLITICS EVERY TIME!

  31. Gwen what I am saying I dont remember any other President showing such a blatant disrespect for the Word of God in his comments. He has mocked Gods word on more than one occasion, I am sure you know about that.

    He is the one who has instituted a glbt month, no one before him even thought of that, though they may have been ok with the lifestyle.

    I know people who would never vote democrat but changed because of skin color, if you het my drift.

    I have never seen such a fuss about anyother president.

  32. charzetta3, not only are you “JUDGING” but you are a “HATER” also! ha ha! its so funny how scriptures are twsited.

    Keep standing!!

  33. Paul:
    I know your heart is in the right place, but your statements are simply incorrect.

    Former President Clinton made GLBT proclamations in 1999 and 2000. This did not start with President Obama.

    As for Obama “mocking God’s word,” I don’t know what you are referring to. I haven’t seen the President be overtly disrespectful to the Bible or God’s word. I haven’t heard the President refer to homosexuality from a Biblical perspective, other than to say that he is against gay marriage for religious reasons.

    And, again, I’m not sure how old you are, but Ronald Reagan was idolized by his supporters. It just didn’t happen in the Black community, so maybe you missed it.

  34. Cici, agreed that we are not a monolithic society whether in a religious or secular context. I get that and Im sure others do too.

    There is no mandate for a Christian to enter politics knowing full well that his or her faith will most likely be compromised. That’s the nature of the beast. With such divisive pluralism which perhaps cannot be perfectly balanced to where one’s faith is not compromised, it might be well advised not to enter.

  35. i think Obama holds a very low view of Scripture…

    “I believe in civil unions that allow a same-sex couple to visit each other in a hospital or transfer property to each other,” Obama said, referring to unions that provide all the legal benefits of marriage but the title, according to Christian Broadcasting Network. “I don’t think it should be called marriage, but I think that it is a legal right that they should have that is recognized by the state.

    “If people find that controversial, then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans,” the Democratic presidential candidate contends. “That’s my view. But we can have a respectful disagreement on that.”


  36. Pastor Foster:
    The only problem with your scenario is that then our government would be completely controlled by atheists and/or non-Christians. I think that would be much worse.

  37. true, worst case scenario Gwen. I actually believe Christians SHOULD be in the political arena, but they should understand the nature of the beast. Someone mentioned trying to perhaps reconcile the two, but I dont think that’s possible. Given that, what will the Christian do?

  38. Gwen, we are talking about a month to celebrate that lifestyle. I know laws were put in place. A MONTH OF CELEBRATION!

    Yes I was around when Ronald Reagan was President but there has never been as much hype over a president, not in the black Church and not in the world, as far as my memory serves me.

    I guess we will agree to disagree because I too know what I have seen.

  39. “Someone mentioned trying to perhaps reconcile the two, but I dont think that’s possible. Given that, what will the Christian do?”

    Given that maybe a Christian should not be in politics Pastor, I agree. I see the word telling us to pray for leaders but why would one enter something that they know will compromise their faith?
    This world is not our home and its going down!

  40. Paul:
    Check Wikipedia. In 2000, President William Jefferson Clinton proclaimed June to be Gay Pride month in the United States.

    Politics is about compromise, so I agree that it is difficult to maintain one’s Christian faith and be a politician. I know I couldn’t. Yet, I would hate to not have Christians involved at the elected level. I think people of faith have to continue to promote our issues at the grass roots level and let the elected officials hear from us on a regular basis.

    Paul, I agree that there has been a lot of hype regarding Obama’s presidency, but you also have to recognize the historic nature of his election. There is no other Black president of a Western country and there has not been in recorded history. Not in the U.S., Canada, all of Europe, Latin American, South America, Asia. The fact that it happened in a country with a 250-year history of enslaving Black people makes it even more stunning. Even for people who are not fans of Obama, the fact is that there hasn’t been an election of this historical magnitude in modern times. Look at it in that context.

  41. Thanks Gwen!

    Trust me I understand the Historic nature but that is not it only, there is somekind of hope that he will do so many great things and change the world. A Nigerian man told me,a black man is the President of the world so now people have to look at black people different, its our time!

    Sis, we cannot allow history to cause us to lose focus of our faith, this is dangerous. I am also a black man (not american) and I was not sold because I looked at the facts.

  42. (Sigh)… you know, the man is not very secretive about his actual faith in Jesus Christ (he has none!). If you look at some of his interviews, President Obama makes it plain as day that either he doesn’t care very much for the GOD of the Holy Bible or he’s very ignorant of HIS Ways (abortion, homosexuality, for example).

    Just because he’s black, he gets a pass. It’s like Christian black folk are actively choosing to stop their ears and cover their eyes — HE ADVOCATES ABORTION AND HOMOSEXUALITY. How much more proof do you need that one is not truly walking with Christ. … But he’s black, they may say, and GOD did put him in office (why, doesn’t really matter) and he says he prays and he quotes from the Bible a lot (albeit out of context) and he says he believes in GOD and hey, his name is in the Bible (prophetic!)… blah blah blah.

    Whoever put him on this path (that’s right, I don’t believe the people we see everyday coming out of the Oval Office are the ones who are truly running the show), should have done this sooner. But I guess for the agenda, black Americans needed to be wooed and hypnotized ahead of time. Certainly is working.

  43. I forgot to put a link about the interviews Mr. Obama has done in which he explains his (lack of) faith in Jesus Christ and calls the Only Begotten SON of GOD an “historical figure” and a “great teacher.” Mr. Obama also explains that his mother, who he said (in 2008) was agnostic and never “formally embraced” Christianity is not in hell. Interestingly enough, in a 2004 interview, he says his mother was a Christian. He also says Jesus Christ is not the only way to Salvation. Anyway, here’s the link if interested: http://lavrai.com/blogs/2008/11/15/barack-obama-in-his-own-words-explains-that-he-is-not-a-christian/

    We need to wake up. We must respect him because he’s a human being and our president whom GOD installed, but we don’t have to pretend he’s any better than former President Bush in regards to the Christian faith just because he’s a brother.

  44. Another question: Is it not possible to hold a position spiritually due to religious convictions based on scripture and hold another position (come to a different conclusion) in regards to laws and some civic matters?

    Since we do not live in a theocracy, can we really attempt to govern as if we do? Perhaps the best we can do in political service is try and lead by example as we attempt to serve our fellow citizens?

    I don’t really know what the answers are….but, I think it might be helpful if we as Christians give these kinds of issues some real thought especially if we desire to see righteous and Godly men and women in our public service.

  45. Lavrai:
    There are many theological questions about which Christians do not agree, so I’m not going to be as hard on the President as you are, although I respect your right to take a hard position.

    However, I’m not going to fault the guy for not wanting to say his mother had gone to hell. That is so personal that uttering those words would be difficult for anyone who had a loving mother.

  46. I agree Gwen, there are many theological questions that Christiand dont agree on, but hopefully Jesus Christ’s divinty, virgin birth, being the Messiah, dying for our sins and being the only way to heaven are not those of which we have a problem with.

    Galatians 1:7-9

    7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  47. Well regarding some issues, there is no debate in the body…The Homosexual agenda, Abortion, Adultery etc etc are 100 percent wrong and any True regenerate Christian realizes these are some of the great evils that plague our society….and at least on Abortion and Homosexuality, Obama is likely the most pro president ever…and that alone disqualifies him for support from the Christian community…as towards other issues like Foreign wars and Govt Spending, Christians can disagree on those issues and be will within the paradigms of our Faith….

    Pastor Foster, I do agree that it is getting to the point that it is almost impossible to run for political office and remain completely faithful to the Lord….and if someone does run as such, they likely will not win…

    I do not think a Christian could now win the Presidency…it would have to be by accident or fluke but a True Uncompromising Christian will find it next to impossible to win to be President..Ironically, up here in Canada, our Conservative Prime Minister is likely born again..his wife certainly is and attends the Alliance Church and most people that are close to the PM, report that he is a True Christian..but alas because he only has a minority govt, his hands are tied and he cannot do to much..

    I think, likely, the last Christian President of America was Jimmy Carter and that is even in doubt considering the things that Jimmy has been saying for the last many years…

    Gwen, that was interesting about Clinton…I had forgotten that he announced the first Gay Pride month..awful…

    I also agree with you that we must still try to enter the Political arena…this is exactly what the radical secularists and godless forces want…for us to disappear…

    Can you imagine how bad America and my country of Canada would be without the Salt of believers?? My goodness…

    Dev in Canada.

  48. Gwen Richardson & Paul N. — I guess you didn’t see the part, that is not open to theological discussion, mentioning that President Obama has said more than once that he does not believe Jesus Christ is the only way to Salvation. I’m not faulting the president for not wanting to admit that his own mother may be in hell (that would be hard for anyone)… I’m questioning how it is that he believes an agnostic gains eternal life.

    In this respect, of course, Mr. Obama is no different from past presidents. But he is black, so I think some black Christians are giving him wiggle room while his actions and words clearly show that there’s nothing to celebrate. Yes, America has apparently done something amazing by supporting a black man for the highest office in the land…that clearly says something. But he appears just as GOD-less as many other commander-in-chiefs before him.

  49. Gwen Richardson said:

    We can all agree that idolatry is wrong. But I echo the question presented by Paul N: Can Pres Obama be blamed for the idolatry?

    To link President Obama to the anti-Christ is absurd. Of course, I remember when some people (Democrats) were saying that Ronald Reagan was the anti-Christ, pointing to the six-letter initials in his first, middle and last names.

    As for Obama “mocking God’s word,” I don’t know what you are referring to. I haven’t seen the President be overtly disrespectful to the Bible or God’s word. I haven’t heard the President refer to homosexuality from a Biblical perspective, other than to say that he is against gay marriage for religious reasons.

    You haven’t seem Obama mock God’s word? Really…Watch these videos.

    Acts 4:12 “And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”

    1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

    The Holy Bible lays it out very simple no matter who you are if you deny Jesus is the only way you are an anti-christ.

  50. Wow, I missed that quote by Gwen. You dont know?? You havent heard??
    Well just use our search, type in Obama and read away. We pretty much have covered it all since he was candidate Obama. Nothing’s changed other than blacks have started this unseemly worship of him. Somebody mentioned John P Kee’s idiotic Obama is our savior song before he became president.

  51. Robert:
    The Youtube links you provided don’t go anywhere, so I will have to cut and paste each link individually onto Youtube’s site to see the videos you mentioned. However, your quotation of 1 John 2:22 doesn’t appear to apply to Obama in labeling him “antiChrist.” He didn’t deny that Jesus is the Christ. What he said was that he believes there are other ways that people can seek God. In doing so, as a politician and as President, he is not leaving the rest of the country out and labeling it unGodly because they may be non-church goers, of other religions, etc. Again, the President is not a religious head of state; he is a political head of state. This is vastly different.

    Under your narrow interpretation, there are billions of people who would qualify as “antiChrist,” since the majority of peoples in the world are not born again Christians. The Biblical antiChrist is much more narrow than broad, spoken about in apocalyptic terms and its ascendency is tied to Armageddon. With our system of the separation of church and state, the President cannot exclude everyone in the country who is not a born again Christian and lead our nation. It would not only be unrealistic, it would be untenable.

    When President John F. Kennedy was running for election, one of the fears of voters was that he would be taking orders from the Pope and force Catholicism down the throats of the American people. He won by a very narrow margin, but only after assuring voters that his Catholic faith would not be used in making presidential decisions.

    As a student of history, particularly American political history, I may be providing some information about which people are unaware. I have been following politics very closely for at least the last 20 years and have written and researched extensively on this subject. Here’s a bit of trivia for all: I had a monthly column in USA Today for about five years, writing about political/social topics.

  52. To say there are other ways to heaven is saying that Jesus is not the Messiah, thats just the political way of saying it.

  53. Oh yes it is completely true that Obama denies Christ as being the only way to heaven…sadly so did the previous President Bush…they are both heretical universalists…

    And you can be sure as you dig into their ‘christian’ backgrounds, much much more is disturbing..particularly in Obama’s case..

    Sad stuff…we sure need to be praying for all of our leaders…they are getting worse and worse and more godless with each new election it seems….






  56. Melvin, that wouldn’t be a bad idea for Christians to contribute to some kind of independent party that stands for Godly values…hard to say though if we could ever win elected office but who knows?

    Take care

  57. Ok, I am throwing up in my throat a little…
    A ‘gospel ‘ music tribute to the High Priest of Molech….

    “There should be national sterilization for certain dysgenic types of our population who are being encouraged to breed, and would die out were the Government not feeding them.”
    – Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood

    “There will always be people, many of goodwill, who do not share my view on the issue of choice. On this fundamental issue, I will not yield and Planned Parenthood will not yield.”
    – Barack Obama, President of the United States of America

    Minority women constitute only about 13% of the female population (age 15-44) in the United States, but they underwent approximately 36% of the abortions.
    According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, black women are more than 5 times as likely as white women to have an abortion
    On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.
    This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated “Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America’s Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member.”
    A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions. – Info from: http://www.blackgenocide.com
    The Christian Anti-defamation commission had it right, when they declared that he is not a christian, and list the ‘7 reasons why’

    God Help us…

  58. WHOOO I still see it’s very hard for Many Black folks to let the Bush Hatred go and see Obma for what he is!!…As a young black woman..it didn’t have to pray, seek God or fast to NOT vote for Obama…his PRO FILTHY Homosexual agenda was apparent and so was his PRO death at any cost abortion stance…It is sickening that Black People still defend him, and then use Bush as a scapegoat… That is soo. sad, he is ushering in the ANTI christ and people compare that to the IRaq war…maybe we should stop worshipping Obama!! that’s what the BIble likes to call FALSE GOD WORSHIP…Pictures on shirts with HOPE underneath a BLATANT blasphemy of the HOly WOrd……Come on Gwen, I pray you get understanding..and fast.

  59. When will Black people realize that they have been made a fool of? We wanted a Black President so bad that we didn’t care nor try to question anything Obama stood for. And it’s even more sad that when someone who can see it for what it really is comes out and speaks about it, they get jumped on by every Black person that voted for him. Yes, I understand the oppression and stuggles Black folks have endured over the years, but does that constitue you comprimising your belief in Jesus Christ? This is why the church is loosing their voice, we willingly give our rights away to some “black man” who clearly doesn’t care for Black people….PERIOD. I didn’t vote for him, don’t really dig him, but I pray for him that he comes under the conviction of the Lord for the agenda that he’s trying to push. Remember in the Bible when the Children of Israel wanted a king so bad, when they should have realized that God was their king? We wanted a Black President so bad that we forgot about the Lord. Now the world will see and when we as Blacks finally realize what’s going on, it will be too late.

  60. Listen people;The songs that Micah Stampley sang were songs from Bishop Jakes’ CD entitled “Hemotions”. Bishop Jakes and EMI Gospel own the master recordings of the songs. The artist have no power over what those record labels decide to do with those songs. You guys need to stop posting negative news about people and making comments about about them; attacking their character when you clearly don’t understand how that industry works. I know for a fact that Micah Stampley didn’t know anything about this project! If an artist records any music with a label for a specific album they do not and will never have the power to determine where that music will be placed in the future. Micah Stampley does his best to stay clear of controversial issues and he would have never agreed to participating on this recording.
    Furthermore, if Micah was clueless about this project I wonder how many of the other artist were as well.

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