Obama in 96: "I favor gay marriage" **UPDATED**

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Let the games begin! Or in the case with the current US president, let the games continue.

The Associated Press announced today that the Obama administration justice lawyers filed court papers Monday claiming the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a federal marriage law, discriminates against homosexuals. In other words, gay marriage should be legal per the federal government.

The president issued a statement saying “Today, the Department of Justice has filed a response to a legal challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act, as it traditionally does when acts of Congress are challenged. This brief makes clear, however, that my Administration believes that the Act is discriminatory and should be repealed by Congress. I have long held that DOMA prevents LGBT couples from being granted equal rights and benefits. While we work with Congress to repeal DOMA, my Administration will continue to examine and implement measures that will help extend rights and benefits to LGBT couples under existing law.”

This is from the candidate who told Americans “I will tell you that I don’t believe in gay marriage… I believe in civil unions but it should not be called marriage.”

Sure, sir. Whatever you say. Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler tried to defend the president’s defense of his offense against DOMA.

“The administration believes the Defense of Marriage Act is discriminatory and should be repealed,” said because it prevents equal rights and benefits.
“The Justice Department, she added, is obligated “to defend federal statutes when they are challenged in court. The Justice Department cannot pick and choose which federal laws it will defend based on any one administration’s policy preferences.”

DOMA (signed into law by Bill Clinton) is widely recognized as the only current barrier to homosexual marriage becoming law nation wide. Although Obama supporters have argued over and over that Obama is against gay marriage, it appears that pressure from homosexual activists has changed his mind or he was engaging in expediency lying from the very beginning.

If youre angry, hold on a minute and hear the other side of the story.

At the same time Obama is trying to destroy DOMA, he is defending DOMA. In June, DOJ lawyers also filed to dismiss a case of a gay couple who were challenging DOMA in court. Obama’s lawyers basically argued that the federal courts was not the right venue for the case to be tried in.

8.19.09 UPDATE

A mixed group of black civil rights, religious organizations and pastors have spoken out about Obama’s same sex marriages lie. I was wondering when someone from the black community would challenge him.  The group calling itself Black Coalition against gay marriage, warned Obama in an open letter that he risked losing support of black church and various other bases which coalesced around his election.

BET reported that the group said Obama’s efforts to repeal DOMA will work  at “cross purpose” against the alleged “pro marriage” stance he used as bait for many black church goers.

There is no full copy of the letter as far as I can tell yet. I will be looking to see exactly who signed it. I will wager that the signatories will not include a certain Pentecostal bishop appointed to Obama’s “faith based” hush money program.

Full story on BET.com

8.20.09 UPDATE

Americans for Truth posted an article on Obama’s real beliefs. Check them out. In 1996, Obama told a Chicago gay newspaper /quote/ I favor legalizing gay marriage and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages /unquote/. Here is a copy of the paper where Obama answered the gay rights questionnaire.

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33 thoughts on “Obama in 96: "I favor gay marriage" **UPDATED**

  1. I agree c11.
    I regret voting for him as well.
    I had to ask the Lord to forgive me for voting for him because it seems all Obama does is support the gay and lesbian agenda.

  2. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire, where there is no escape and the smoke rises forever and ever.

    According to the Word of God.

    Revelation 21:8 “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

  3. Wow, that last paragraph is very telling!

    Very confusing Pres. Obama, I heard him say that each state should have the right to choose if gay people should be allowed to marry, this also is a pro homosexual marriage statment. If one state allows marriage and then they move to another state how would that work? will that state have to accept them as married because they are legally married? this no doubt would force the country towards that end!

    Quite simple he is for gay marriage but had to play the political correct game to secure the votes.

    May The Lord have mercy on him!

  4. Paul N,
    …and may the Lord have mercy on us BELIEVERS for not having the insight and discernment to see this coming. The signs were everywhere, even in his own mouth during the campaign. But, many of God’s people were so caught up in the excitement and the possibility of having one of “our own” (African American) in the white house that the signs were totally ignored, and words were simply explained away as “He didn’t really mean that.” I, for one, was ostracized by other Saints for trying to help them see the kinds of things we were in store for – not based on my own suspicions, but on what was actually being said! This is the same problem we have in our churches. We tend to hear what we want to hear, and see what we want to see. We refuse to hear the “bad news” because it makes us uncomfortable. And besides that, we don’t want the responsibility of speaking out and speaking up when things are wrong. We’d rather just join the crowd and enjoy the party! But, pay day is coming.

  5. And remember, we live in a society governed by political correctness. And homosexuality is politically correct! Homosexuals have a very strong lobby in Washington D.C. so they have a lot of political clout. So not only does Obama have to be politically correct, he has to pander to special interest groups that will keep him in the white house and that includes homosexuals.

    In the catholic church scandal, despite what the politically correct media would have us believe, a lot of those priests were incorrectly classified as pedophiles. The clinical definition of a pedophile is someone attracted to pre pubescent children, those under 13. Those priests would be correctly classified as plain old homosexuals, since the majority of their victims were teen boys between the ages of 14-18.

    But it would be politically incorrect to classify the priests as homosexuals because that had the potential to hurt the gay agenda and the gay hiearchy wouldve been greatly offended. So the media calls them pedophiles to avoid offending gays and hurting their agenda.

  6. ashley marie thank you for admitting that you repented for your vote of Obama.

    So many Christians are filled with pride they could not bring themselves to do it. 2 things God guarantees to His creation, death and judgment. Every man and woman will have their day in court with the Lord and there will be no excuse for voting for Obama that you can give before Him. Obama’s agenda was anti-Christ from the beginning, his voting record was out for all to see.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

  7. “In the catholic church scandal, despite what the politically correct media would have us believe, a lot of those priests were incorrectly classified as pedophiles. The clinical definition of a pedophile is someone attracted to pre pubescent children, those under 13. Those priests would be correctly classified as plain old homosexuals, since the majority of their victims were teen boys between the ages of 14-18.”

    C11, thank you for saying that. Homosexuals do not want to be associated with pedophiles, not because its wrong, but because it is political suicide for them if they want achieve their political goals. And the media is complicit. Generally when a boy is molested they will not name the sex instead calling the person a child. This is the great delimma for the church to partner with any person or organization which agrees with homosexual conduct. I dont mean basic civil rights. The bible does not lie. Romans 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God (isnt that the church?), that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  8. Amen Ashley Marie! I had to do the same thing! I repented to the Lord for voting for Obama as well! The sad thing about me is that I was not blinded to his agenda, nor was I deceived by his “political-get-me-into-office-promises.” I simply voted for him because I “did not” want McCain to win. I will never again vote for one “evil” over another! Every time I read another article about this current president’s decisions backing homosexuality and abortion as such, I just get sick to my stomach!!

    But yes, I truly repented and now I just pray for Obama and this administration as the bible commands us to.
    My true comfort is in knowing that though there are many plans in a man’s heart, it’s the Lord’s plan that shall prevail, and the fact that there are no “oops” in heaven. The Lords will shall prevail and Obama is just a part in God’s overall plan to bring about God’s expected end. However, in the mean time, KEEP PRAYING SAINTS!

  9. Well, I for one am glad that I took the heat last fall and DID NOT vote for Obama. Of course I’m not gloating – I still live in the country that he leads.

    My mistrust of Obama was fully warranted: he is a liar who will say anyting to appease the crowd he is speaking to. But, God allowed his election for a purpose, and as believers we are to continue praying for those who were deceived by obama – as well as those who are coming out from his strong delusion.

  10. If you look real close you can almost see the strings being pulled from Obama’s arms and legs. He is only a puppet and a pawn in the game. He leans and sways wherever they tell him to. Next he will sign into law the FOCA (Freedom of Choice Act) and further approve the murders of millions of babies (black babies in particular).

  11. Black believers totally confuse me. Not nearly enough of us have the courage to stand strong for the God we serve. We’re either too timid, too complacent, or we just don’t give a hoot. We don’t even want to admit that President Barack Obama is ungodly. That’s a serious indictment of the black church and black pastors.
    One could make a valid argument that America (Black America included) is already under God’s judgment because Obama is the Commander-In-Chief. People talk about God’s will. Yes, God has a perfect will, but He also has a permissive will. Black America had the choice of choosing between God’s standard and the man who would become the nation’s first black president. Look who won. Even worse, you can’t get people to even agree to pray that Obama repents.
    Another thing that’s mind-boggling is that folks will say they voted for the lesser of two evils. In the Lord’s Prayer (also known as the model prayer), we pray for the Lord to deliver us from evil. So, if that’s what we pray, then why should we choose between evils? Can somebody please explain that to me in terms that make sense?
    I continue to pray that black pastors and church people see the truth about this man and understand that it’s not treasonous to pray that he repents on his positions that are clearly in opposition to the Word of God. As a people, we’ve allowed ourselves to become so wrapped up in issues related to health care, the wars and the economy. Certainly, those are critical issues. Still, it amazes me that we seek answers from a man who has mastered the art of double talk. We put more faith in him than the creator of the heavens and the earth.
    The Word says that my God will supply all my needs …. not the people in Washington, DC. Will Black America ever come to its senses? I pray that it happens real soon.

  12. I think that it’s safe to say that everyone commenting on this post, at least so far, is against” gay marriage” based on Biblical beliefs.

    However, I was wondering if anyone can make (or has made) the argument against gay marriage on purely legal/civil terms according to our Constitution, Bill of Rights, legal precedents, etc.. .I have read many such arguments for gay marriage but none against it.

    Not trying to be argumentative, but just wondering…..

  13. CiCi, Im sure others can answer for themselves. I know that we discussed this here before, but I cant remember where. Nevertheless,
    IMO there is no way we can biblically support civil marriage for gays, because gay marriage whether civil or religious, is a product of a sin. Its the same as me supporting any other civil right which is rooted in sin. Even it it were a justified civil right, per Romans 1:32 we cannot agree to it. That’s where we part ways with the world’s system as citizens of a higher kingdom.

    I support basic civil rights for all American citizens, but marriage is not a right, it a privelege with restrictions. God has put restrictions on it and so have civil governments. God created marriage and he also ordained civil governments, but like other areas civil governments are in rebellion to the good will of God which is good for all mankind. There should be no exceptions for homosexuals just because they have recreated their sexual activities as good, wholesome and worthy of respect. Take it from a former homosexual, it is a gross misuse and abuse of the body. After they set the mold, others will follow it, thus the proverbial slippery slope.

    Civil marriage by the government still advances the erroneous idea that homosexuality is an equal parallel to heterosexuality. It is not no matter if it is looked at physically, socially or spiritually. Thus to grant it civil rights status ignores all of the evidence which shows it to be an inferior as well as dangerous expression of human sexuality.

    Im no lawyer and have no legal background, but I have found no compelling constitutional mandate on gay marriage, explicit or otherwise which we are under duty to obey. We all have certain inalienable rights, but those rights do not give us any blank check permission to require legalization of our activities. You mentioned legal precedents and of course the ssm supporters have seized upon black civils rights legal victories (such as Virginia vs Loving) and rode them til the black came off. But this to me isnt based on factual relationship with black civil rights, just a overblown semantics and emotional piracy.

    You can also read this.

  14. GCM,
    Thanks for your thoughtful response. I also enjoyed reading the article that you provided the link for at the end of your comments. I can’t say that I agree with all of the points that the writer made, but it was definitely interesting and thought-provoking.

    Also, I must say that I’m not sure that the President is going back on his earlier statements supporting civil unions and the appropriation of certain rights therein while at the same time opposing “gay marriage”. In addition, the Justice Department is supposed to be independent from the president and his administration’s policies and positions. So, until it’s proven to be otherwise, I think I’ll give this Justice Department the benefit of the doubt and believe that they are doing their job as they are supposed to do it–which might indeed be the reason for the seemingly contradictory positions that you cited in your post and explained by the spokeswoman you quoted.

    Thanks again for your response and all of your hard work in service to the Lord.

  15. CiCi, the quote in the story is from Obama, not the DOJ lawyers.

    What’s more Obama was lying from the beginning. I cant believe people fell for that. He’s never been against homosexual marriage. That was just to get votes. But that’s what politicians do right?

  16. GCM,

    I was referring to this quote from above:
    ” Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler tried to defend the president’s defense of his offense against DOMA. “The administration believes the Defense of Marriage Act is discriminatory and should be repealed,” said because it prevents equal rights and benefits.“The Justice Department, she added, is obligated “to defend federal statutes when they are challenged in court. The Justice Department cannot pick and choose which federal laws it will defend based on any one administration’s policy preferences.”
    Just a clarification on the reason for my hope that the Justice Department is at least doing its job. Although it might be misplaced as well… *sigh*

  17. Pastor Foster thanks for the updates on Obama. I actually read this on AFT before I saw it on your blog. I find it very interesting that a lot of black pastors, black gospel artists and black bloggers that voted for him are very silent when it comes to the issue of same sex marriage and his stance on homosexuality.

  18. “The group calling itself Black Coalition against gay marriage, warned Obama in an open letter that he risked losing support of black church and various other bases which coalesced around his election.”

    Does anyone think Obama cares? He doesn’t!!

    Many godly people in this nation was warning the black church / “Black Coalition” about this man before the election. I hate to admit it, but I have to give Obama credit also; Obama “warned” them before the election….years ago as it turns out.

    Do you think he cares, now that he’s in office, that you’re “mad” at him and you may send him a nasty email?

  19. Craig said:
    Black believers totally confuse me. Not nearly enough of us have the courage to stand strong for the God we serve. We’re either too timid, too complacent, or we just don’t give a hoot. We don’t even want to admit that President Barrack Obama is ungodly. That’s a serious indictment of the black church and black pastors.

    Uzza replied: Brother Craig, Black Believers have stood strong since being brought to America in chains beneath the bowels of slave ships. What makes the White Believer’s stance so right? They have been standing against abortion for many years and the same God that brought Black Believers out of Slavery and Jim Crow is the same God that can change abortion. Out of White Believer’s stance, came clinic bombings and partnership with killings innocent people in Iraq under the Bush Administration. I remember a Black Believer once stating that one should not judge based upon the color of one’s skin but based upon the content of their character. I know a Man, who happens to be from Galilee, which looks upon the hearts of men and not their color or heritance. Based upon these two individuals’ beliefs, I know that Believers who happen to be kissed by the Sun stand strong day in and day out! Christ Jesus, the Son, said that we should render unto Caesar, that which is Caesar, and render unto Christ that which is Christ! If my people, whom are called by my Name, will humble themselves, turn from their wicked ways, see My Face and pray, then I, The Alpha and Omega, will hear from Heaven and heal their land. Politics belong to Caesar! Prayer belongs to God! Also, your last statement of above is so untrue! Even the outspoken, persecuted former Pastor of President Barrack Obama, informed us that Barrack was a politician and that He would do what Politicians do! We were not voting for a Moses to lead this sinful nation to the promise land, we were voting for the first time for a politician that was kissed by the Sun! I ask you, upon what, do you base your judgments against Black Believers? By whose standards do reconcile God’s Children, kissed by the Sun, to lack courage, timid, complacent or non-caring?

    Craig continued:

    One could make a valid argument that America (Black America included) is already under God’s judgment because Obama is the Commander-In-Chief. People talk about God’s will. Yes, God has a perfect will, but He also has a permissive will. Black America had the choice of choosing between God’s standard and the man who would become the nation’s first black president. Look who won. Even worse, you can’t get people to even agree to pray that Obama repents.

    Uzza replied:

    Brother, the whole world is under God’s Judgment! Everyone will stand before the throne of Judgment and give account for their actions! Yea, one could make an argument, which might be valid in the sight of the World, but not according to The Word of God! God knows everyone that is placed in authority over every kingdom and in every season in life. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Caesar, Nebuchadnezzar, Belshazzar, David, Saul and Pharaoh’s lives are all controlled by God! And America did not just become evil! How many people does God need to have Obama repent? I think He said where one or two are gather in My Name, their I will be also.

    Craig continued:

    Another thing that’s mind-boggling is that folks will say they voted for the lesser of two evils. In the Lord’s Prayer (also known as the model prayer), we pray for the Lord to deliver us from evil. So, if that’s what we pray, then why should we choose between evils? Can somebody please explain that to me in terms that make sense?

    Uzza: Sure, My people suffer because of lack of knowledge. We often speak of things which we do not know or understand, often speaking in human terms on human events. Running for Presidential office within the United States of America has never been a Spiritual event. Voting has never been a Spiritual event. It is of this world! How can one tell? Look at the fruit that voting produce. Lying, cheating, bribery, you name it! As for the Lord’s Prayer, one should ask at each days awakening for the Lord to deliver us from evil. Evil is present around us all day long! Being that it is present and your voting choice was of two evils, human logic states to vote for the lesser of those two. Asking God to deliver us from evil places no stipulations upon how one votes but weather or not our foot will strike a stone from any evil.

    Craig:

    I continue to pray that black pastors and church people see the truth about this man and understand that it’s not treasonous to pray that he repents on his positions that are clearly in opposition to the Word of God. As a people, we’ve allowed ourselves to become so wrapped up in issues related to health care, the wars and the economy. Certainly, those are critical issues. Still, it amazes me that we seek answers from a man who has mastered the art of double talk. We put more faith in him than the creator of the heavens and the earth.

    Uzza: Brother, I don’t know what barber shop you been in or what folks you talk with, but it appears that more white people are caught up in this health care and war and economy than Black folks. At least on the CNN, Fox, MSNBC news station that I have happened across. What we as a people don’t do is play pick-a-part religion. We call sin just the way we see it! We don’t go to extremism, but remain moderate knowing that God is in Charge and have Faith that He will sustain and handle everything. Now, I don’t know what Black People you are dealing with, but the one’s that I know and have lived with for all my life aren’t putting no more trust in President Obama and any other change that happens in life. I sure like for you to give a likewise critique of your White Believers and White People.

    Craig final remarks:

    The Word says that my God will supply all my needs …. not the people in Washington, DC. Will Black America ever come to its senses? I pray that it happens real soon.

    Uzza final remarks:

    You know Brother, you have mixed Believers in with Race and lumped them all together as if no people in this country that are kissed by the Sun are worthy to be called Children of God. This day, I pray for you, my brother. It is my pray that you will not mix the things of this world with the things of God! I pray that you will be humbled down to understand that what is important to man is not necessarily important to God! I pray that one day you will understand the schemes of the evil one to play race and that many have fallen into the trap of looking down upon a people. I pray that love will reign within your heart. Brother, there are evil black folks, white folks, yellow folks, red folks and every shade in-between. Jesus once said that His mother and brother is the one that does the Will of His Father. Be very prayerful that your judgments are based upon the beliefs. In Love

  20. One other thing. Obama did not win because of black folks! He won because of White folks! They where hoodwinked by lying Bush and the Republican party agenda at the time and this vote was a rebellion. That is, if the truth be told. Black folks been voting democrate all along. Didn’t matter weather he was black or white.

  21. As Children of God, let’s stop playing into the hands of this lie. Black People do not control anything within these United States. Who is at the head of the Homosexual movement and agenda in the US? Black folks don’t own the abortion clinics nor or we at the helm of the Pro Choice organization.

    Truth be told, if you were to look at Wikipedia List of LGBT rights organizations – you would see that the largest contingent in the world is within the US. Black folks did not do this!

    We don’t own the greed that proceeded out of the bank, auto, mortgage or financial industries.

    We just deal with the hand that is being dealt daily, still trusting that “The Lord Will Make ah Way Somehow, If You Trust and Never Doubt!”

    That is, if the truth be told.

  22. “They where hoodwinked by lying Bush and the Republican party agenda at the time and this vote was a rebellion”

    That sounds very strange. Explain that please with some facts.

  23. I need some help,after seeing what is happening in the White House since President Obama was elected,I believe that his agenda is definitely anti-christ but many Christians, especially preachers favor him and his agenda. Am I right or wrong?

    GCMW: Walter, Obama is a political and religious pluralist, except in cases where pluralism doesnt mesh with his agenda. Perhaps Obama (like King Saul) is a reflection of what is truly happening in the church today with its “preachers”.

  24. gcmwatch (author) said: That sounds very strange. Explain that please with some facts.

    Brother GCMwatch, do you want truth or facts? The world believes in and lives off of facts. We live off the truth of God’s Word. Does not God Word say, How can you say that you love Me, yet hate your brother. Was the President aware of the lie behind the Weapons of Mass Destruction? From which tree do the fruit of lying comest? Look at the hidden agenda of the writings of Leo Strauss instituted by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Richard Pearle. That was the foundation being built for the Republican party agenda.

    Under President Bush, the decade-long trend of declining abortion rates appears to have reversed. Given the trends of the 1990s, 52,000 more abortions occurred in the United States in 2002 than would have been expected before this change of direction. So Christians call Obama a baby killer and not Bush?

    Here are a couple of urls for your facts.

    http://liesofbush.com/bushthechristian.shtml
    http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=sojomail.display&issue=041013 (Pro Life? Look at the fruits)

    Ok, my Brother enough of the so call facts, because I’m sure that someone has fact checked the facts, so that the facts are in dispute of being facts. You see I’m not for Obama or Bush. They are all politicians. As to your question of Christians being hoodwinked, yes they where and they voted in full support of George Bush and the Republican Party based upon terms such as “Pro Life,” “Family Values,” “Moral Majority,” etc. Republicans or Democrates will ever have the characteristic of Christ, for the Word of God says that man cannot serve to masters. Which President has operated contray to the ways of politicians? Not one! Political pressure has dicitated the actions of President as long as their have been Presidents. For a President to display the Mind of Chirst, one would have to hear him say to the most powerfull military in the current world, “put away your swords, for he who lives by the sword, will die by the sword” and to assure the gun toteing citizens of the United States of America that God will fight our battles for us.

    GCMWatch, I have a problem with people who profess to be called by my Lord and Savior’s Name, allowing themselves to be infected with this political game that the evil one is using to decieve people. I have seen and heard more evil come out of the hearts and minds of so called Christians who hold political stances so strong that they forget Christ’s teaching. Why not just call yourselves Democrates or Republicans and leave Christ Jesus out of this mess. A Politican is not a trait of a Disciple of Christ Jesus, therefore do not measure based upon political things. Using abortion as a measure is a political thing, using the death penalty is a political thing, using war is a political thing.

    This is how Jesus measure and we should do the same. Jesus said in the Book of John 13: 34″A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

    You see, so called Christians started to see the fruit of the Bush Administration’s policies and realized that this so called Christian President was really a war mongler, a lier and a thief. They (so called Christians) had bought into what was said about President Bush instead of looking at the fruit being produced. Yes, this last election was a rebellion.

  25. Brother Walter or GCMWatch:

    Can someone tell me what is Obama’s agenda, and how is is Anti-Christ?

    When will we understand. Politics is not concerned about Christ! If you are going to judge based on political agendas, then all Politicans are Anti-Christ.

    GCMW: who’s judging based on “political agendas”? Can you please cite something specific?

  26. Ok, uzza so you are adding balance to the discussion or just wanted to make sure we knew that Bush committed wrongs while in office? You wanted to make sure we knew that the Repubs are as crooked as Dems?

    I must admit I dont get your point, considering there’s been no wholesale endorsement of Bush or Republicans on this site. If so, cite specifics so I can see what it is that youre trying to refute. Right now, its like just random shooting at ghosts.

  27. Come on Brother GCMWatch.

    I started off responding to Brother Craig’s contention concerning Black Believers and Black People in general.

    You asked for clarification on my statement concering being hoodwinked. Hopefully I explained my statement.

    GCMWatch, my whole contention here is Christians need to realize that your pointing the finger at Obama is not a good representation of Christ. The Bible describes us as being in this world but not of this world. We turn off so many young people because of our finger pointing. But when you start using terms such as anti-christ and blaming black christians, that is not of Christ.

  28. This is for Uzza …
    I single out black believers on purpose because what I’ve observed is that the President is lifted up in Messiah-like fashion. Actually, all believers (regardless of ethnicity) who voted for Obama are at fault for supporting him, while completely ignoring the truth about this man and his ungodly agenda.
    Sure, the white vote provided Obama’s margin of victory. However, you cannot dismiss the fact that Obama would not be in the White House had it not been for the 95/96% of the black electorate who voted for him.
    What baffles me is that in general, black believers tend to go to great lengths to defend this man simply because he’s the first black president. It’s ironic that people really are offended. In my mind, they should be ashamed for not showing any boldness on speaking out for what’s right. That has nothing to do with looking down on anybody. It’s simply the truth.
    Don’t get offended. Do the research and see for yourself.
    As for how I reached my conclusion about black believers being non-caring, etc. — it’s based on my church experience. I was told that I was arrogant for asking people to pray that Obama repent on his views about abortion and same-sex marriage. I even had one minister who simply refused to agree to pray that Obama repents. I asked him why, and never gave me an answer. We are always encouraged to pray for one another, especially other believers.
    Is the president an exception? If so, why?
    The church I attended for nearly 20 years took an active role in the 2008 presidential campaign. And what it all came down was idol worship. So, after going through that for nearly a year, it became clear that it was time for me and my wife to move on and find another church home.
    I approached church leadership about my concerns and presented facts about Obama’s positions and how they adversely affect black people in particular, and all in people in general. In response, I got weak excuses from some leaders and silence from other leaders.
    Aside from that, I sent out an email to some church members about a pastor who spoke out in prayer against abortion in the Kansas state assembly and I was reprimanded for it by church leadership. I was told that people were offended because they took it as an attack on Obama. There were no references to him, but even if there were, so what? What he advocates is against the Word of God. Not only that, but because of this email, I was accused by leadership of suggesting that the president be killed.
    As for black folks not being as concerned as white folks on the issues (health care, wars, economy) — we should be.
    Yes, the Word tells us that when two or three come together in the name in Jesus that He will be in the midst. Well, when it comes to the president, I haven’t seen any evidence of black folks who desire to gather together to pray for Obama’s repentance … after all, he is the leader of the world’s most powerful nation … and if we continue to give him a pass because he’s a politician (one who professes Christ by the way), then we have really missed the mark.
    I will say this again. God has permissive will, and ultimately we pay the price for the decisions that we make. And that includes us as a race of people who overwhelmingly voted for skin color over Biblical principles. Now that, my brother, is really sad, and there’s no excuse for it.
    Seems to me that we get caught up in what white people did or didn’t do. And in the meantime, we don’t focus on what it is that we should be doing as believers to uphold what’s right according to the Word of God.
    In my opinion, any persecution that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright suffered was of his own doing. Please do me a favor. Please explain how black liberation theology lines of up with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The two are not the same.
    All people should have grave concerns about Obama’s abortion perspective. The policies he wants to put in place will remove all restrictions on abortions and will lead to more, not fewer abortions. He’s a prime supporter of Planned Parenthood, a major financial backer of the President. Also, if you check his voting record as a U.S. Senator and Illinois state senator, you’ll find that he’s always been a strong voice for a woman’s right to choose, or what they’re now calling women’s reproductive rights.
    Perhaps, you are not aware that around 47 percent of all black pregnancies end in abortion. It’s the No. 1 killer of black folks in the U.S. And that’s the reason why the black population in America has leveled off. Now you may counter that Obama didn’t create these conditions and that’s true. But his policies will definitely accelerate what’s already a bad situation. So, why would any Bible-believing Christian support that?
    Planned Parenthood does most the nation’s abortions and about 80 percent of their centers are locally in or near minority neighborhoods. Oh, and I don’t want to leave out the fact that during his first week in office, Obama signed an executive order to overturn the Mexico City policy. As a result, American tax dollars are now being distributed to agencies in foreign countries who promote and perform abortions.
    There are other troubling issues about Obama’s outlook on same-sex marriage. It’s all double talk and does not reflect what’s in the Bible.

  29. You said you were not for Obama, so why are you offended when the truth is told about his ungodly positions? I guess you are calling what I wrote “finger pointing”. Name one single thing said about Obama that was a lie.

    Im not sure what Christ you are talking about. John the Baptist, his cousin was beheaded because he spoke out against the king’s sexual immorality. Jesus said “I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.”

    But according to you, uzza, Jesus should have rebuked John and told him not to say anything about what Herod was doing.

    You seem like you want Christ in your image, passive and biased. Not so. He made it a point to openly call people a lot of uncomfortable names which FIT their ugly sins. Try reading the gospels if you dont believe that.

    I could care less about “turning people off”. That’s your hangup. This sick, diseased dying world is deteriorating at a rapid pace, but youre worried about “turning people off”. Tell the truth uzza (funny you had no problem pointing fingers at Bush and all the conservatives in your comments) and let God handle his business of convicting people’s wicked proud hearts.

  30. Brother GCMwatch:

    Again, I am not in favor of Obama or any politican. To me, those things are worldly. Obama made his choice the day he decided to not do what thus say the Lord and he, as any man, shall reap that which he sowth. I have always asked for pray for Obama, this government and nation. Just as we prayed for then, President Bush, this government and nation. My concern is with the manner in which Christians portray Holiness. Christians today sound no different in their manner of speech than radio talk show circuit of this world. If you start a dialog on Obama and it brings negative accusations against this man who profess Christ, then you should care about what comes out of the mouth, because it is a reflection of the heart! Brother, like this scripture from 1 Peter 1 (New International Version)reminds us that we too were once in error, just as you so boldly profess Obama’s errors, the same precious blood of Christ that redeemed you can and will redeem Obama or Bush or anyone who once walked in the empty way of life handed down to them.

    GCMW: Go back and read your first comments and see if they dont sound exactly like some liberal talking head on MSNBC. Are you actually serious about what you are writing, its bordering on staight line hypocrisy.

    Now I pointed out the other side of the aisle as the political world like to say to show that sin is not relagated to any one race, group or political party.

    GCMW: I see. So I guess you feel really good now that youve helped all of us too dumb to know that, right?

    Brother, this sick diseased dying world is deteriorating at the pace that God has designed and allows. Things are going to get a whold lot worse, but you, my Brother are charged to let those whom God calls know about Jesus. We should not worry about the pace of sin, for the Scriptures have foretold that things are going to get worse as we moved towards the end of time. Your last statement is your business! God’s business is your business! (Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus) The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few! You signed up to be one of those workers. Hate sin, but do not let your message turn you into a hater of the sinner.

    GCMW: Again,its really hard to see how you can serve up this advice when you shot all types of arrows and darts at Bush and company. Didnt sound friendly, or spiritual at all. Now, its all about being holy, right? After you’ve off loaded your guns.

    God brought me to your sight because I too hate the sin of homosexuality. I hate the schemes of the evil one as manifested by the LGBT orgainzations agenda, but I do not hate the individuals.

    GCMW: Funny, I never got that impression from what you wrote. But I see… what youre doing is all about “love and concern” but what we’re doing is “hate”. Sounds like the gay activists Ive encountered who have a problem with the truth.

    I do not understand how you cannot be concerned with the potential of your tone of words turning some young babe in Christ off. If you have not Love, then your message is of no value!

    GCMW: I see you ignored the example of Jesus and John the Baptist I gave you. Was there a reason for that? Was Jesus not loving to call people names openly and rebuke them for not doing right? Should John the Baptist have kept his mouth shut about Herod’s sexual immorality and thereby saved his head from being chopped off? And please kill the fake concern for “young babes” in Christ. That’s not even a good smoke screen argument.

    Even your comments to Craig belie your doubled tongue mentality. As much documented black church Obama worship going on today and yet you say it doesnt exist. Incredible. Finally stop blaming satan for people’s willfull rebellion and disobedience. That’s a cop out. Satan only does what he is allowed by God to do. God’s people were given power, love and a sound mind. But most are not using it.

    Brother Craig:
    Black folks, Christians and non-Christians would have voted 95-98% for the democratic ticket anyway after two consecutive terms of the current administration. And If you go back and look over the presendital election, you will see that Black voters were torned between Hillary and Barrack until Bill’s slip of the tongue in SC. Brother, Iowa ain’t black at all! Understand something, we only makeup about 13 to 15 % of the population! Of that, the voting population is greatly dimenished by the number of adult voters with crimminal records.

    As for your decision concerning your church, that is between you and God. I did however, wonder what would have happened to you and I if Jesus decided that no one wanted to listen to him calling out sin during the sermon on the mount or His ministry and left to return to the Father without dying for our sins?
    Galatians 6:1
    [ Doing Good to All ] Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Let your election be sure, my Brother. Do not allow what other men think of you turn you. God is the lamp and light of your path, not church folk.

    you know, Brother, again, I don’t know what Black Christians you been around, but I have never seen Black Christians look at Obama other that as a person of color who became president of the united states, another first. Same reaction to Jack Johnson, or Jackie Robinson, or Tiger Woods, or the Williams Sisters. No different.

    Why do you think that Satan always want to make an election about race? He is the auther of confusion. And everytime race comes up, you find on Satan there. This is not about Black Christians and what they will or will not stand for. The LGBT orgainzation has tried to blame blacks for voting the Cali law that opposed their desires. Can’t you see Satan! We are the targets! And here you are following in suit. Black Christian this and Black Christians that! Well you know what Brother Craig, I’m a Black Christian and I claim to know nothing accept Christ and Him crucified. Now you can get your feathers all raised up in the air about abortion and same sex marriage all you want. The Bible says that there is nothing new under the sun. Those two sins have been here and will be here! Be careful that you do not make those two sins your plank that fills your eyes to the point that you cannot see anything. Yes Obama has sins, but is his sins any greater than the ones that remain within you?

  31. The problem is not as much with Pres Obama as it is with the “black” church. I agree with Craig that the black church turned a blind eye to our current presidents political agenda and yes many people do treat him like a savior as if it is the black mans time.

    Craig, stick to what you believe about same sex marriage and abortion, and if that is the reason for you not to support a person then so be it and I totally agree and commend you.

    Talking about the “devil”, he would love us to shut up about these two things as these are the two biggst opponents of life. The devil always tries to kill seeds because he is afraid of the potential of any person that might believe in Christ!

    These two sins may have been around a long time but it is getting to the point where we have no regard for life at all. Contrary to what Pres Obama thinks, abortion is not taken as seriously as it once was, most abortions are performed on people who have had abortions already. that would say that the procedure is not taken as seriously as it once was. I have heard women say, I’m just gonna get rid of it!

    Uzza what will you say when the church will start being forced to perform gay marriages? You said that things will get worse, the reason why things are gonna get worse is because you stand for righteousness, no one will have a problem with a “Christian” that will shut their mouth (which many in the church are doing).So you see websites like this will come under pressure sooner or later because truth is being spoken.

    Uzza as far Gal 6:1 – restoring a brother, it is talking about a brother that is overtaken by a sin, a struggle, it has nothing to do with a blatanat rejection of the word of God those people should be put out of the Church so the devil can buffet them. We are not even to eat with a person who shows no regard for Gods word.

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