According to Anthony Venn-Brown, a certain mega church pastor now lurking in the shadows, is questioning whether culture and history carry more authority than the Bible on the issue of homosexuality. And the unnamed pastor (location also withheld) says more evangelical/pentecostal leaders are “discussing” the same thing. If that’s true —and without any intervention— gay christian heresy may find eventually find a more welcome home among pentecostals than it currently does in the Episcopal church.
Venn-Brown, the ex-ex-gay turned life coach, whom we wrote about back in April 2008, posted a letter on his blog he alleges is from a “mega church pastor” who expresses an all too familiar line of heretical reasoning popularized by gay christian theology.
“We are very encouraged to find that there are a growing number of Evangelical/Pentecostal leaders who are willing to question firstly, if their attitude toward gay people has been Christlike and secondly if possibly our teachings about homosexuality have been more influenced by a cultural mindset and personal biases than a genuine reading of the scriptures in the light of historical/cultural contexts and with a sound knowledge of the original languages.”
Venn-Brown says the pastor will reveal his identity in his own time. Of course, instead of seeing God as the determinant of what defines sin, Venn-Brown conveniently blames the church for not affirming homosexual sin, and thus, he laughs it is “reaping what it has sown”. What’s more, Brown says that because the church rejected homosexual sin, the world is in turn rejecting the church.
Other than the word hate being used, Brown’s statement bears no resemblance to what Jesus said would cause the world to reject the church.
“If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, since I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. John 15:18,19
Im not sure about you but when it comes down to believing the words of Jesus or the words of a confused Australian life coach, I choose Christ.
Nevertheless, the letter is somewhat of a confirmation to what we have been warning. The pentecostal church has double-agents in place and its only a matter of time before they use their considerable influence to sway those weak in the faith to accept abomination vis-a-vis ideological seduction.
Beware and let no man deceive you with vain words no matter who they are.
Gay Christian Movement Watch 
This is totally a shame. We really need to continue to pray for the prominent Church Leaders. Week after week the church is getting weaker and weaker because of the fear of persecution. I don’t know why Church Leaders just accept the whole counsel of God without doubting its content-well yes I do but its still not worth it.
This is just aggravating. So homosexuals feel that they are the only group of people that can’t be talked about concerning sin? They are so prideful it is disgusting.
Just awful! If this megachurch pastor feels so confidently about his convictions, why must he cloak himself in anonymity? Why not just come right out and identify himself? What does he have to hide?
thats probably the most dangerous aspect of homosexuality…pride.
Pride in one’s sins is a sure recipe to receive severe punishment from God.
Unfortunately, they’re not aware of it even though the Sodom story clearly shows it.
Have mercy.
As a gay Crhistian, I find it VERY interesting that the Bible CLEARLY condemns ALL kinds of things. Women are supposed to be silent in church. Women are NOT supposed to be in church leadership. Women are supposed to OBEY their husbands. Disobedient children are to be taken outside the city gates & stoned to death. And…the Bible totally affirms slavery, as there’s nearly FOUR HUNDRED references to slavery in the Bible…NONE of which condemn it!! Why don’t we have slavery today????! Two things that the Bible clearly clearly condemns is divorce and remarriage (in the books of Malachi & Matthew, amongst others). The church today is chock-full of divorced & remarried people (some of which are on their 3rd, 4th or 5th marriages!!!). I find it the utmost of hypocrisy & double-standards to ignore the Biblical condemnation of divorce & remarriage & to “beat me over the head” with Leviticus when you’re not even obeying the Bible yourself. You can’t just “pick & choose” scripture that conforms to your way of life and “pick & choose” scripture to condemn someone else. PLEASE remember Matthew 7:5 when it says “Take the beam out of your OWN eye, BEFORE you take the speck out of your brother’s eye”
People…rejoice and look up…your redemption draweth nigh! These are the signs of the ending of the times. Truth is being
diluted or discarded in favor of man pleasing doctrines.
The church is losing its saltiness because it wants favor with the world system and to be “liked and petted” like a kitten.
When you see these things happening…and more than this will take place and on a greater scale and kind..do not be alarmed but
be forewarned that these things MUST come to pass before the Lord
returns.
Will he find faith on the earth? Will he find it in you? Be
encouraged…pray daily…read the Word and be sober and viligent
for Satan is trying to scare us with these lies.
We know better and since we read the back of the Book(revelations), we know who wins!!
Maranatha!
Right, Mark russell, the Bible condemns all kinds of things, including homosexuality. So, when are you going to repent for living in prideful sin against God’s will?
Mark:
No one on this blog condemns a person or condones sin; regardless of what sin it is. All of the examples and issues you named off that aren’t dealt with or handled by a church doesn’t nullify the truth that homosexuality is a sin also. And if you are a homosexual you are in sin.
Not that every mega church pastor is doing it, but it’s usually a mega church pastor either coming out with something goofy or caught up in something. It’s interesting how the Lord says we will be persecuted, hated, thrown in prison, and even killed for righteousness’ sake. Yet we want to avoid being persecuted, hated, thrown into prison, or killed for righteousness’ sake because we want to be accepted, liked, praised, and recognized by the world whom the Lord plainly said would hate us because it hates him.
Jesus also said “Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.” (Luke 6:26)
That’s a sign. If everyone loves you, including the world, you have a problem…….a BIG problem !!!!
any one who knows the truth cant be complacent seeing the things that are going on. truly the lord is soon to return! like he said in the word, we wont know the time… but he gives us the signs so that we will know the time is drawing nigh. i really feel bad for the people that are clearly being decieved by the tricks of the enemy, but everytime i do im reminded of the scripture about the strait and narrow and the broad and wide. many will walk the broad and wide but not many the strait and narrow. the true saints must continue to prepare ourselves and others
Mark your knowledge of the scripture does not bode well for you, its actually puts you in a place of greater responsibilty since you know the truth.
What you should do is ask God to help you with you identity struggle and then speak to the church to clean up. I would actually welcome a voice like yours (if you admit that you are in sin and repent).
Yea, looks like a big problem in the pentecostal churchs, gays taken over, worse than in a mainline denomination the artical states. Do we need anymore proof than a vague E-mail. That settles it for me.
GCMW: The issue isnt “gays taken [sic] over”, but a sharp departure from biblical authority. There’s a big difference.
The Bible tells us in the book of Ezekiel that if we do not warn our brother of sin we share in it and their blood is on our hands.
So Mark I encourage you to point this out to your Pastor but be prepared to lay your homosexual sin on the table and repent to God for breaking His Law.
Oh yeah there is no such thing as a gay Christian, that’s like saying you are a “child molester Christian,” or “adulterous Christian.” Not possible according to God’s Word.
The sin of any individual or group is no excuse for YOUR sin and the fact is YOU will be held accountable for your actions. In addition the sin of homosexuality is not restricted to the Old Testament, it is strongly condemned in the New Testament also. Even if it were not mentioned in the NT it would still be a sin worthy of hell.
I can’t wait to see who this mega pastor is. Better still, I can’t to see how he will justify this departure from scripture with scripture. And how many people will follow him while rejecting what they know to be true?
Good on Anthony Venn-Brown for having the courage and conviction to speak out. Like the prophets of old his message is not being listened to and its hearers are offended at the call to repent of their own ghastly sin towards a people loved by God.
For far too long the Christian church has wallowed in its own murky walls frightened and cowering like a scared puppy. It retreats to the comfort of its own walls listening only to endless rhetoric about “us and them”, and how the devil is leading all astray, except those lurking in the shadows of their own feeble church walls. Monasticism is alive and well! But is it is Kingdom serving or glorifying to God
The one great gift God gave us all was a mind. And it ought to be rigorous in its scholarship and enquiry. God is not surprised by a questioning mind anymore than he is dumbfounded by mindless Christians that will not ask and challenge the status quo of the church that is fading away into irrelevance. The problem with American Christianity is its shallow faith. It is not made of the real love and mercy and grace of the bible. American Christianity generally speaking can not comprehend a world of love outside the small confines of its own thinking … this is rightly called fundamentalism. It is restricted in its endeavors to comprehend the world in which it lives because it can not accept that maybe those outside their worldview are decent people and are accepted and annointed of God. Any form of fundamentalism, be it secular, muslim, christian or anything else, is contrary to the Christian message of God’s love being expressed to the world through his church, empowered by the Holy Spirit to reveal heavens abounding Grace and Love.
What was it that killed Christ on the Cross people? If Christ was sinless, being both fully man and God at the same time, how could the Christ truly die for us all and set us free from the power of sin when he never knew sin? Can a sinless man make claim to our souls through crucifixion alone?
My point is this … none of us can claim to be sinless, “for all have fallen short of the glory of God”. Fundamentalists put on ‘airs and graces’ most frequently and don’t even know they are doing it, truly the greatest and most deadly sin is a self-righteous pride before God that says, “Thank you Lord that I am not like one of them”! Christian faith is classless.
Many will come to me in the last days and say Lord did I not pay alms, help the poor, tithe to the church and give up my prayers like you asked, and the Lord will say to them, “Away from me for I never knew you”. How terrible it will be for some, maybe many, who blindly fear Anthony Venn-Brown’s message and do not listen to what he really is saying. Anthony is bringing hope to 1000s of GLBT people around the world. His mission is simple, to build the bridge from the church to the people who deserve to know and worship God. So why is it the church and its leaders ignore such noble attempts? Ignorance and fear. That is what kills the conversation and learning.
Ministers, theologians, pastors, scholars, preachers, etc who have found themselves unequivocally ‘stuck in the mud’ of their faith’s tradition unable to hear God’s servants and people, and blinded to the suffering they cause through there ‘well-meaning & sincere’ biblical exposition. Mark Russell is right to challenge those that blindly accept some parts of the bible and not others. He is right to voice is support for those who are GLBT.
I recall a passage where Jesus tells his disciples, “Cursed is my name among the Gentiles because of you (referring to the disciples) … so I ask are you gathering for Christ and turning away those he wants to have relationship with?
Andrew,
Mr Venn-Brown is a false prophet, and you yourself are also highly deceived, just like he is. The Bible’s position against homosexuality is very clear, and it makes no provisions for homosexual relationships or so-called “gay marriage” that you folks want the rest of us to accept. No amount of twisting of the Word can change that.
This resurgence of Pro-gay Theology is just one of many endtime deceptions trying to creep into to the church. It’s sad that you seem to have bought into it. Repent, while you still have the chance.
Amen TO. There’s not even much benefit in arguing that foolishness with Andrew.
Instead of casting stones at people who believe and trust God’s Word, he should be asking God to forgive him of his sins and hopefully find the real Christ, not the false Christ he is currently bowing to.
Sooooooo, Carlton Pearson did not lie when he said there were other prominent ministers who held similar views to his (regrdaing his Universalist view and his changed view of homosexuality). There is probably a rumbling of heresy and falling away under the glitz and glitter that will make the kingdom of darkness dance with glee.
I will admit that what I am about to say is merely supposition: I believe some of these pastors have struggled with their own same sex attractions and have applied a qick fix theology to their struggles, i.e.; plead the blood; cast out the demon; 5 steps to experience deliverance; if you are delievered you never have another temptation, etc., As a result I think some question the position of scripture instead of questioning their experience(s). Since they know that they sincerely desire to live free of SSA and they have prayed and fasted and confessed and had “demons”
cast out, perhaps their understanding of scripture is wrong. I am reminded of a black baptist pastor who held a biblical view of SSA until his son came out to him as gay. Then he re-examined his theology. He now pastors a welcoming and afffirming church in Atlanta?
I do think the church needs to examine it’s behavior around how we treat those who are in sexual sin. I am not making reference to those who distort the truth of God into a lie and call themselves Christians. I am referring to those who are looking for help and are lost in their struggles and cycles of behavior. Jesus’ beautiful example of the “woman caught in adultery” is a good example for all followers of Christ.
Andrew said: For far too long the Christian church has wallowed in its own murky walls frightened and cowering like a scared puppy. It retreats to the comfort of its own walls listening only to endless rhetoric about “us and them”, and how the devil is leading all astray, except those lurking in the shadows of their own feeble church walls. Monasticism is alive and well! But is it is Kingdom serving or glorifying to God.
Thats because the Bible says it is an “us vs. them.” Goats and the Sheep.
Matt. 25:33and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34″Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
41″Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
The Word of God confirms that satan does deceive the whole world, so again you are on the opposing side of the Written Word.
Revelation 12:9And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Andrew said……those outside their worldview are decent people and are accepted and annointed of God.
But without Christ they will perish. The Bible says they have an anointing but it isn’t from God.
Acts 4:12And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.”
1 John 2:18Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.<—Anthony Venn-Brown
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.
Believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the commandment to LOVE one another supersedes all 66 books of the bible and it trumps the Mosaic/Levitical Law that was in place for the Israelites before the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Some very “religious people” refuse to accept that the “Law of Moses” served its purpose for those people in history. Some have boldly gone against scripture to preserve parts of the Law of Moses by distinguishing Ceremonial and Moral Law which has no scriptural basis in separating the two. The New Covenant is crystal clear that we are not under the rule of the Mosaic Law (Rom. 6:14; 7:1-14; Gal. 3:10-13, 24-25; 4:21; 5:1, 13; 2 Cor. 3:7-18). The instructions given by Jesus Christ from the words of life in the New Covenant (New Testament) are very sufficient for living a moral & holy life. Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself. This scriptures sums up all of the arguments and refuting concerning the Mosaic/Levitical Law.
The Christian Fundamentalist loves to discount this very crucial passage to it’s lowest price and in most cases they refuse to include this scripture in their budget when it comes to their behavior in demonizing Homosexuality/Same Gender Loving People. Why is that?
If you leave out the traditional disguise and coloration of blanketing the body of Christ (the church) with historic examples in the bible that speaks to male prostitution and the rampant orgy and idol worship for what occurred in that space in history by telling complete bible truths; then you will clearly see that Jesus Christ and the New Covenant does not condemn homosexuality; it condemns the ills of one’s sexuality such as promiscuity and prostitution for females as well as males.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.
Yawn. Another person pushing this “if you look at the original languages, it really doesn’t condemn homosexuality” nonsense. As if Christians, including Greeks and Jews for whom Greek and Judaism are their native language, aren’t 1000 times more knowledgeable about those languages as these people. But hey, if you want to be deceived, it is easy to find some area of accommodation.
Uhhhh, this is redundant to the point ad absurdum.
Nevertheless, the OT is simply the root of the NT. Christ is God come in the flesh and they agree in all things. All things. God’s Love personified in the NT means that no longer do you as a homosexual have to suffer physical death for your sin. However it does not remove the nature of your sin as rebellion against God. As Paul said, it is still worthy of death. Rejecting repentance subjects you to spiritual death which is a far greater punishment that natural death.
Thus, I just demonstrated my love for you as myself to wit: I told you the truth to save you from eternal punishment as I would want someone to do for me.
Amen, gcmwatch!
My father (who is a Christian), when I (his son who is gay) asked for bread, didn’t give for me a stone. And when I asked for fish he didn’t give me a snake. How much more my father in heaven. I think a point has been missed by those fearful of gays in grace, and that is the idea of love. My father doesn’t show his love to me by not killing me despite his suspicion that I might not be perfect. No. He loves me because I’m a part of him, I am the fruits of his love, perfectly and wonderfully human. My response to my fathers love is love in return. How much more my heavenly father?
All the comandments wrapped up in one: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and love your neighbour.
The world is full of hate, full of violence, full of scapegoating and lynching. If God calls Christians to be in the world and yet not of it, surely that might have something to do with living beyond the fear that sparks violence, living in love and under grace.
I wonder if the person who can put criteria before anyone’s comming into the knowlege of Gods love, a God who says to come as we are, I wonder if that person had really come face to face with so great a grace.
But we know it is a difficult and narrow path, the path of love and grace, and wide the road of hate and fear. Don’t however be discourged, be of good cheer! Because if God really has overcome the world, his loving me just as I am, will not mean that he loves you any less. All your hard work and devotion will not be for nothing. Just as violence begets violence, so does grace beget grace. therefore if it is by grace that we are saved, lets all of us start showing some and putting some faith in this God who might just know what he is doing.
Love Matty xx
gcmwatch, If Christ is God and God is in Christ so then you must know that God reconciled himself to us through the death, buriel and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ and thus we have the New Covenant.
Sharing a very close and fasted relationship with God who is my father and the father of my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ; praying, repenting and studying his word is required and a daily continuous honor and a privilege however he does not require us to repent for his creation.
Again,if you leave out the traditional disguise and coloration of blanketing the body of Christ (the church) with historic examples in the bible that speaks to male prostitution and the rampant orgy and idol worship for what occurred in that space in history by telling complete bible truths; then you will clearly see that Jesus Christ and the New Covenant does not condemn homosexuality; it condemns the ills of one’s sexuality such as promiscuity and prostitution for females as well as males.
I am only sharing scriptural truth, not religious tradition.
Samuel Brown is confused on the Biblical definition of Love and well just about everything else. The 10 Commandments are God’s law and apply at all times because God is all good all knowing and all sin is against His nature and He must punish it. If you love your Brother then you will tell him to stop sinning in love so that he will not end up in hell with the rest of the homosexuals.
God warned Cain about his anger because he knew that Cain was plotting to Murder Abel (breaking the 6th Commandment) and God hadn’t given anybody at that point a stony tablet. That’s because the Commandments are written on the heart of all men, you know right from wrong you just don’t deny the lust of the flesh, eyes and pride of life.
God also condemns fornication.
Defenition: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fornication
All persons not married but having sex are fornicating, even homosexuals, I know that doesn’t get pointed out very often….Fornicators will not inherit the Kingdom of God.
Oh yeah I felt like I need to point out that homosexual marriage is not Biblical under any circumstance, just so you can’t make the abominable gay marriage argument.
Robert gay christian theology is a hermenuetical abomination, the mother of all strawman arguments.
They have redefined in the own dark understanding every keyword in the bible to justify their sin. Everything. And its ONLY to justify their sin, not to agree with God.
Thats the really tragic part of this is that these are blind men groping in the dark presenting themselves as enlightened, but are condemned by their own words.
Only God can break through such darkness. But according to Romans 1 it was GOD who turned them over to this because they rejected him.
Brown’s words prove the scripture over and over.
Pastor Foster:
Wow, you are so deep in the trenches. I have to remember to pray for you that you remain strong, that you never compromise and never quit.
This is a response to Matthew’s statement. I know a lot of who use the “come as you are” statement. The problem with that is that yes Jesus calls us to come as we are but he never says stay as you are. He did not tell the woman that was caught in the act of audltry to stay as she was he told he to “Go, and sin NO MORE”.
As for the grace part. I think you have a misunderstanding of what grace actually is. Grace does not give us a free pass to continue in sin. Grace gives us the opportunity to come before a holy God and be forgiven of our sin without fear of being rejected. I have never met a TRUE christian who would turn away a homosexual because he is homosexual but that does not mean we comprimise what the Word of God says.
Why do you think the Apostle Paul clearly said in scripture “Do we continue to sin so that grace may abound? Certainly not! How can we who are dead to sin live any longer in it.
Wether you agree that homosexuality is sin or not dosent matter because it doesnt matter what any of us think its what God’s Word says that matters.
One thing I notice from those who try to espouse a homosexual lifestyle is the inability to see such a lifestyle as sin. They speak about the love of Christ in terms of acceptance but like Paul stated in his comment, Jesus told those whom he healed to go and sin no more. How then can those who seek to find acceptance in their sin attempt to rationalize a behavior clearly spoken against in Scripture?
@ Samuel Brown ~ How can you read 1st Corinthians 6:9 in context and say it isn’t speaking about the act of homosexuality but about promiscuity and prostitution when an examination of the Greek makes the verse very clear?
You all are so Bravely Blind. boldly bolstering blatant and bold discrimination and hate-mongering. in the future, your names will all be synonymous with the likes of Jim Crowe and thier supporters.
good luck with that
If standing with God’s word against heresy is hate, then sign me up with haste and put my name at the top of the list. We dont need luck, all we need is to agree with God.
Augustin is talking like Jesus isn’t returning soon, but why would he want to think about that because the though of that purifies you.
@ Augustin; how is it hate and discrimination to point out a behavior as being sin? Would it be hate to say the murder sinned? Would it be discrimination to not allow the man who has a history of sleeping with various women to not take part in the women’s ministry? Like DL stated, if standing with Christ is hate, then sign me up…who is on the Lord’s side?
in typical fashion you have seemed to misread. go back and reread for understanding. hate-mongering was the term i used. as for the comment on murder. let’s debate everything on its own merits. let’s not make false analogies in an attempt to cause dissonance.
You were read clearly. Not only what you wrote but the wicked and rebellious attitude behind your words.
Murder is sin.
Homosexuality is sin.
That is an equitable parallel truth.
What we shouldnt do is debate your matrix world ideology and treat the Word of God as a afterthought.
so what you are saying is common sense and thought have no place in the church of today?
Only God’s Word is paramount. Next question?
@ Augustin…define “common sense” for us, then we can say if they have place or no in the church.
gcmwatch & Robert; The New Covenant is very sufficient within itself to live as God would like for us to live without you having the need to go against the scripture that clearly tells us that we are not under the rule of the Mosaic Law (Rom. 6:14; 7:1-14; Gal. 3:10-13, 24-25; 4:21; 5:1, 13; 2 Cor. 3:7-18). The instructions from Jesus Christ and the other apostles within the New Covenant should be fully embraced.
RUSH & gcmwatch When you read the bible you should STUDY & INTERPRET the bible HISTORICALLY Correct. STUDY: learn about a subject by reading and researching. Look up the Greek/Hebrew definitions! INTERPRET: to establish or explain the meaning/significance of something. HISTORY:the past events of a period in time or in the life or development of a people, an institution, or place. *Quote scripture within context of the matter *CONTEXT:circumstances or events that form the environment within which something exists or takes place.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
An examination of the Greek for the word “effeminate” is defined as a male prostitute and a Greek examination of the term “abusers of themselves with mankind” is defined as arsenokoitai; Some Theologians feel that Paul framed or defined a word to refer to
the customers of “the effeminate call boys.” In 1958, for the first time in history, a person translating that
mysterious Greek word into English decided it meant homosexuals,
even though there is, in fact, no such word in Greek or Hebrew.
I am sure you already know this.
It is absolutely horrible the way that you demonize and condemn individuals who are or were born homosexual to hell as if they had a choice in the lifeblood of their sexuality of what you call sin; I beg to differ because I know the source of my strength and yes God knows and created the innermost of my being and we share a wonderful and fasted relationship.
Most christian Fundamentalist handle this matter in such a cocksure hellish manner until it literally frightens me into praying for their souls as you “Cry Aloud and Spare not” in the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Again,if you leave out the traditional disguise and coloration of blanketing the body of Christ (the church) with historic examples in the bible that speaks to male prostitution and the rampant orgy and idol worship for what occurred in that space in history by telling complete bible truths; then you will clearly see that Jesus Christ and the New Covenant does not condemn homosexuality; it condemns the ills of one’s sexuality such as promiscuity and prostitution for females as well as males.
It is absolutely horrible the way that you demonize and condemn individuals who are or were born homosexual to hell as if they had a choice in the lifeblood of their sexuality of what you call sin; I beg to differ because I know the source of my strength and yes God knows and created the innermost of my being and we share a wonderful and fasted relationship.
@ Samuel: Well, some people say that they have gene that is prone for them to be murderers and pedophiles. If God created them that then they shouldn’t be condemn to hell as your logic follow. Why not stand up for those people? Oh….wait, homosexuals are the only group of sinners that have a bible strictly for their “orientation”. I pray that you let your pride aside and repent.
Another thought, are you trying to say that there were no homosexuals, just male prostitutes? Your logic is soooooooooo faulty. If you are trying to say that that word is effeminate is describing male prostitutes, then who were they prostituting for? Other males! It is funny that you only interpret parts that suits your preferences.
Samuel Brown said:
gcmwatch & Robert; The New Covenant is very sufficient within itself to live as God would like for us to live without you having the need to go against the scripture……..
John 14:15 If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
Rev 14:12 Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
The 10 Commandments are not Mosaic Law they are God’s Law.
Samuel Brown said:
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
An examination of the Greek for the word “effeminate” is defined as a male prostitute and a Greek examination of the term………..
Some gay theologians feel that way but homosexuals are also fornicators because the Bible doesn’t allow for sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman, so you are still choosing Hell instead of Christ.
Samuel Brown said:
It is absolutely horrible the way that you demonize and condemn individuals who are or were born homosexual………
There is no proof that you are born gay unless you make the argument that being born gay means you were born into sin like every man and woman. No you have a relationship with that spirit of affectation inside of you.
Samuel Brown said:
Most christian Fundamentalist handle this matter in such a cocksure hellish manner until it literally……..
Acts 13:9But Saul, who was also known as Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, fixed his gaze on him,
10and said, “You who are full of all deceit and fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousness, will you not cease to make crooked the straight ways of the Lord?
Samuel Brown said:
Again,if you leave out the traditional disguise and coloration of blanketing the body of Christ (the church) with …….
You are still a fornicator, more later.
MERCEDES, please re-read what I have written,based on your comment you clearly did not understand.
It is indeed a sin to murder and to rape. When a man murders or rapes a child it is done for sinful reasons covetous, jealousy, power, greed and other evil motives, NOT because he was born that way. Have you ever heard of killers, rapists, thieves, adulterer etc, committing suicide because they can’t change? NO, but many homosexual people have done so because they were born homosexual!More than likely a parent or a religious leader misinterpreted scripture on the subject matter that pushed them over the edge.
ROBERT I am in complete agreement with you concerning the 10 commandments because they were so important to God until he extracted them or included them in the New Covenant. God knows exactly what he is doing. The 10 commandments says absolutely nothing about homosexuality. http://www.moseshand.com/questions/p24a.htm
My prayers are with you all as you continue your judgment and demonization of God’s annointed and appointed who are or were born homosexual.
Samuel Brown:
The 10 commandments never mention sacrificing children, but I assume you would disagree with that practice also. The 10 commandments never mention having sex with animals, but I assume you would disagree with that practice also. The 10 commandments never mention having sex with your sister, but I assume you would disagree with that practice also. And assuming you disagree with those practices, how do you even logically believe homosexuality is acceptable when the same scriptures that condemns the a-fore mentioned practices/behaviors also condemns man lying with man as man lies with a woman?
There is nothing anointed about homosexuality nor any other sin or sin-state. Neither is any person purposely lying on God and his word anointed. You didn’t get any of the statements you’ve made from Jesus……….maybe you got them from Bar-Jesus, but not the Lord Jesus Christ.
The church (born again believers, not religious organizations) has NEVER accepted, since the early church with the apostles, nor given credence or blessing to any form of homosexuality. The reason for the big front of being accepted by the church is to feel good about your sinful lifestyle. If the “church” accepts homosexuality, then you have affirmation to stay in your lost and sinful condition.
“When a man murders or rapes a child it is done for sinful reasons covetous, jealousy, power, greed and other evil motives, NOT because he was born that way.”
And when men engage in sexual activity with other men, its done for sinful reasons and out of evil motives. Only a fool would continue to argue against what God has clearly shown in his Word.
Mr. Brown to be frank, its taxing to the spirit to even continue debating it with you. As I said to Augustin, we have throughougly discussed this multiple times on this blog and its pointless to continue it seeing as how your mind is darkened to the wisdom of God’s word.
Our hope is that God will in his own time, open your eyes to his truth, lest you perish in your sins.
Samuel Brown said:
MERCEDES, please re-read what I have written,based on your comment you clearly did not understand.
It is indeed a sin to murder and to rape…………..
Yes I have heard of killers, rapists, thieves, adulterers killing themselves, in fact every person that commits suicide has broken God’s Law and sinned against Him. There is not one on earth who is innocent because that is what the Bible says. No the very thing that pushes them over the edge is the fact that a homosexual no longer reflects the image God has created him/her to be in. They are the opposite, anti-creation. Secondly the spirit inside of them torments them so bad the get search for every worldly pleasure (usually drug addiction) to numb the pain. But you can’t get a demon out by taking a drug or drinking, it ends up intensifying the addiction and you get a Health Ledger and Michael Jackson incident. It has everything to do with being disobedient to God’s Written Word.
Psalm 53:3Every one of them has turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
There is no one who does good, not even one.
Romans 3:9-10 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
as it is written,
“THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;
Romans 3:23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Samuel Brown said:
ROBERT I am in complete agreement with……..
No you’re not because you applied the 10 Commandments to the Mosaic Law and your haven’t/won’t repented for lusting after somebody in your heart and mind, that is adultery according to God.
Samuel Brown said:
My prayers are with………….
Save your prayers for your own repentance, confession and deliverance.
James 5:16Therefore,confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Daniel 5:23but you have exalted yourself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of His house before you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines have been drinking wine from them; and you have praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which do not see, hear or understand But the God in whose hand are your life-breath and all your ways, you have not glorified.
charzetta3 said: ……maybe you got them from Bar-Jesus, but not the Lord Jesus Christ.
I must admit I cracked up when I read this, very true and funny Charzetta….
To Robert, Augustin, Matthew and of the other alleged “gay christians” on this blog I’d like to ask you a couple or so questions; just how do you define some of your words, such as “love”, “hate”, “tolerance”, “bigotry”, “diversity”,etc? From what I’ve been reading on this blog and in other places, every time someone tries to point you to the right direction you accuse us of “hate speech”. What do you mean by that? It sounds to me that if you say something that pricks the conscience of a “gay” or other sexually immoral person that individual is quick to accuse you of “hatred”, an emotion that I see displayed more than frequently by “GLBT” activists (as you call yourselves)whenever anyone challenges or questions your agenda. And another question; are you sure that you are Christians, I mean blood-washed, born-again, spirit-filled, Jesus-loving Christians? It doesn’t sound like it, judging from some of the postings I’ve read here. To paraphrase some of the posters here I would offer this sound advice; GET RIGHT OR GET LEFT! Because time is winding up and the sun is almost down.
BlancheRP I don’t think I was coming off as someone who was defending sinful homosexual behavior, help me out a little bit if I was…
GCMW: I think she just got you mixed up with the others, nothing more.
I don’t know If I said it already but …Cool site, love the info. I do a lot of research online on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks, 🙂
A definite great read..
I‘m sure many of you are like me and one of the first things you do in the morning is head here and check out the new post. Along with seeing the new posts, I’m also always checking out the blog roll rss feed and watching them grow, or shrink sometimes. In one of my past …but all in all excellent site. Keep it up!
GCM, I will be gratified for the day that any and all responders posting on these and other very important boards will actually contribute an item of substance and backed with contextual biblical truth. To that extent, Andrew, it would be best for you to cease posting until you have more to show beyond worthless, drive-by platitudes.
GCMW: granted, with joy.
There is nothing new under the sun! Sin is sin whether you are straight or gay.The church has been wrong over the years in how they have dealt with homosexuals.The foundation for everything we do for Christ begins with love. The church has condemed them to hell without knowing what caused them to end up in that lifestyle. The word of God is very clear when it comes to homosexuality as well as heterosexuality.If homosexuality is okay and of God there would be no need to have been in the closet all these years. I have been blessed to meet and befriend some that have been in that lifestyle and molestation or some kind of abuse was acommon thread. There comes a time that when one is introduced to truth and refuses to take heed you will be turned over to a reprobate mind and God said he will cause you to believe a lie. The Holy Spirit can not dwell in a unclean temple. He also said tp work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Last but not least God said if you continue in my Word the Truth will make you free!