Methodist Bishop says "no" to ECLA gay decision

bishopWith so many of their peers in the Anglican communion rolling over and playing dead on the incendiary issue of so-called gay christians, I’m sure it takes a lot for the few brave leaders to stand up and say no to the madness.

The Christian Post reported last week that  Bishop Gregory Palmer, president of the United Methodist Council of Bishops, made clear  that UMC’s ban on noncelibate gay clergy still stands.

To be clear, I do not endorse any form of acceptance of so-identified homosexual clergy. The only advice for them is to repent and return to submissive obedience to the will of God. And only then, can they be considered for leadership in God’s church. Even to identify oneself as a gay christian is an abomination.  Nevertheless, the Methodists may very well be the next to fall into the chasm of apostasy as there exists but a razor thin line between acceptance and tolerance of homosexual clergy.

The reason for Palmer’s open rejection of the ELCA’s decision was to clarify a new full communion agreement between the two denominations.

“Our Book of Discipline on that subject did not become null and void when they took that vote,” said Palmer, according to the United Methodist News Service. “It still applies to United Methodist clergy.”

Palmer was referring to the highly publicized vote last week by the chief legislative body of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America to approve a resolution allowing gays and lesbians in “life-long, monogamous, same gender relationships” to be ordained.

The controversial vote took place a day after ELCA delegates overwhelmingly adopted a full communion agreement with The United Methodist Church.

Full communion is not tantamount to a merger, church officials said. Instead, under the pact each church acknowledges the other as a partner in the Christian faith, recognizes the authenticity of each other’s baptism and Eucharist, and is committed to working together toward greater unity.

The two denominations also express mutual recognition of ordained ministers for service in either church, according to the agreement. Some UMC leaders have already expressed eagerness to share clergy in underserved areas, as reported by the United Methodist News Service.

Although the agreement recognizes full interchangeability of all ordained ministers, UMC congregations will not be accepting partnered homosexuals from the ELCA.

Again, note that the Methodists are saying they will not accept “partnered” homosexual clergy. That is based on the presumption that said individuals are in active sexual relationships. But it does infer that “non-partnered” or celibate homosexuals will be accepted. This convoluted logic proved to be the beginning of the end of the ELCA.

That was the case with gay cleric Bradley Schmelling in Atlanta who became the gay Lutherans poster boy for apostasy. Schmelling argued that he was in compliance with the policy when he was single. Then he found a boyfriend, so as a good pastor he should be allowed to keep his both his boyfriend and his church.

In 2007, when the Lutherans removed his name his name from the roster of Lutheran pastors, Schmelling appealed and became the catalyst for the recent decision.

I keep warning these denominations. Homosexual clergy are simply biding their time, waiting for internal negative sentiment to erode in their favor. And when you try to remove them based on your unbiblical policies and hypocritical positions (allowing other sexual sinners in office, dont ask dont tell), what happened to the Lutherans, Episcopalians and eventually the Methodists will happen to you.

This isnt a flesh and blood fight, but we cannot be spiritually naive.  Satan is using these people to infiltrate and destroy the work of God.

And he [Jesus] taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves. Mark 11:17

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7 thoughts on “Methodist Bishop says "no" to ECLA gay decision

  1. I initially applaud the stand of Bishop Palmer. I hope that he and others will not waffle in the near future when immense pressue is applied to him and others to water down or abandon their principled stance on this issue.
    The ELCA is falling away from orthodoxy of scripture and they will pay the price for this “loving the world” madness.
    If the UMC goes on record endorsing homosexual marriages or homosexuals being pastors, etc..etc..My family and I will leave that church body and go elsewhere.
    To see such apostasy is a fulfillment of last days wherein the church is being watered down to accept anything in order to appease the world and its attempt to fill its pews and also its coffers.
    If Paul and Peter and John were to visit the churches in America and report back after a six month tour, they would be enraged with the nonsense and sin that has lodged in the church in the name of Jesus the Christ.
    They would, in my opinion, openly rebuke such “leadership” as being under the control of Satan and tell the saints to come out and be ye separate….where have we heard that phrase before?

  2. Lafe, I hear you brother.

    I wish I could say the Methodists are standing on solid ground but from what Ive read and seen, they are headed the same way.

    The problem with most of these denoms is that they have been completely emotionally manipulated by homosexual activists masquerading as Christians.

    I friend of mine predicted that the AMEs will be the first black denom to allow openly gay clergy.

    I pray that God’s will be done in his church.

  3. I have no doubt this man will be demonized for taking this stand. God Bless Him. Let us all prayer for his strength and courage to stand on the Word of God.

  4. I firmly believe that the gay issue will be a catalyst for division in Christendom, and an issue that God will eventually use for his glory. Just as Jesus said , he came not to bring peace, but a sword (that is, division)[Matt 10:34]. I think when these and other denominations approve of Gay Marriage it will create such a stench and an uproar that it will expose many of these churches as being the ungodly and hollow shells that they are, and cause people to seek out the true churches of the Lord.

    Many of these churches themselves are “in the closet”, pretending to be of God when in fact they dont know God, nor preach the truth. Indeed, come out from among them, people of God, and be separate (2 Cor 6:17). Revelation 18:4 also comes to mind: “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” So be it, in Jesus’ name.

  5. Bishop Gregory Palmer can expect the hate mail to just start rolling in now for that, from the supposed gay “victims” of society.

  6. I commend Bishop Palmer for his stance and leadership. As a Methodist pastor (AME), it is important that we address this issure accurately and without fear and of course with integrity. I can assure you that the AME church will not be the first to allow openly gay ministers to be pastors. We have been steadfast as a denomination to address those issues at every general conference. We are cracking down on all clergy sexual misconduct and immorality. We all as pastors and laypersons must stand for righteousness and not give in to the pressures of the gay movement.

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