Progay denoms change sin into a virtue

Two apostate denominations are pressing further into darkness and irreconcilable differences with the Word of God in their obsession to affirm homosexuality. In fact, the quickest route into apostasy is the affirmation of sexual perversion. To do so, one would be have to diminish or reject God’s Word. That’s exactly the path two self proclaimed US Christian denominations have taken.

In Chicago, the  presiding bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America suggested that the Bible isn’t the last word on homosexuality. [source]

In a town hall meeting Sunday, Bishop Mark Hanson said, “the understanding we have of homosexuality today does not seem to be reflected at all in the context of the biblical writers.” Therefore, he said, Lutherans should consider more modern views on sexual orientation.

At its churchwide convention in August, the ELCA lifted its ban on partnered gay and lesbian clergy, prompting some traditional congregations to withhold funds and begin forming a separate denomination.

But Hanson insisted the ELCA can accommodate both views. In his words, “God is still speaking to us.”
He also suggests that more homosexual-friendly policies may help the denomination grow.

Hanson is in error. God has already spoken and his word will never change. The only thing the Lord is saying if he is saying anything at all to Hanson and his band of reprobates is to repent.

Hanson, like most false leaders, doesn’t hesitate to play the false unity card. However, Amos 3:3 brings to bear a critical question: how can two walk together except they be in agreement? If agreement means we must abandon the truth of God’s Word to stay together, then the only solution for those who believe in righteousness is to separate themselves. We would do well to remember the severity of agreeing with sin:

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:32

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, the ever-darkening Episcopal Church, described by some as “an enlightened religion”,  seems to to be in competition with the Lutherans to see who can get darker, fastest. According to a CNN report, the denomination’s news service reported that the Rev. Mary Douglas Glasspool will become the second openly homosexual bishop in the Episcopal Church behind Vickie Gene Robinson who took office in New Hampshire in 2004, if she is consecrated.

In the face of such stunning heresy, the head of the Anglican Communion, His Weakness Rowan Williams manages only to issue web statements saying that the actions “raise serious questions”. Indeed, your weakness, they do. But apparently not serious enough to excommunicate anyone as the scriptures instruct us to do.

The Rev. Canon Kendall Harmon, canon theologian from the Diocese of South Carolina, said the election [of Glasspool] “represents an intransigent embrace of a pattern of life Christians throughout history and the world have rejected as against biblical teaching.”

It still amazes me that with all the open heresy in the Christian church in America, you’d think there would be at least some open rebuke coming from other so-called traditional denominations. Yet there are no press releases condemning the actions, no sermons on the dangers of apostasy, no conferences educating people about false teachers. What you will find is plenty of this and this. No wonder there’s so much biblical illiteracy among the sheeple. This is the dark ages, part two.

11 thoughts on “Progay denoms change sin into a virtue

  1. Pastor DL,

    I think your site is great!!! You are salt and light in this world. Keep up the good work with crying aloud and sparing not. Be Blessed and stay encouraged.

    GCMW: Tyrone, I appreciate very much your words of encouragement. I removed the parts which would take the discussion off course and I would suggest that you post them here where it would be much better suited.

  2. Pastor Foster..I have a question..
    GCMW: Since you actually had six questions, my answers will follow in this comment.

    Do you believe the Bible’s view of slavery is a contemporary view that should be practice in today’s society?
    GCMW: You would need to clarify how the question relates to the post and in what context.

    Or should be a modern, contemporary view?
    GCMW: same as above.

    Do you believe that the Bible’s view of arranged “marriages”; where the bride is brought/paid for and sold to the highest paying groom is a contemporary or modern view that should be practice in today’s society?
    GCMW: The short answer is that everything in the bible is true to be believed, but not truth to be applied.

    Do you believe that women should be silent in church, speak only to their husbands is a custom that we should practice in today’s society?
    GCMW: In some contexts yes, women should be silent in church and not add to any confusion publicly if it can be settled privately by speaking to her husband. B. Society and church are two different animals.

    Do you believe that a man should marry more than one women, while all of those women stay committed to him should be a practice of today?
    GCMW: No, polygamy is sin and was never sanctioned by God or the scriptures. Just because a person did something and it was recorded in scripture does not justify it.

    All the Bishop was saying is that the Bible in many ways is trapped in a “time warp”…things in Biblical days were common but not neccessarily “righteous”, it was accepted as the “norm”; as “tradition”…homosexuality was considered to be uncommon, while many of the things listed above was “common”; could the tables have turned?…for the most it has already..and its turning for Gays and Lesbains as well….

  3. The bibles tells us that there isnt anything new under the sun Eccl 1:9, the sin of today was around a long time ago.

    God killed all excpet for Noah and his immediate family, is is to be believed that loving homosexual couples were not a part of those who perished?

    Genesis 6:5-7
    5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

    7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

    I am quite sure that homoexuals were amongst the evil that was being done before God.

    For a “Christian” to say the bible is outdated and that it doesnt account for homosexuality how it is today is total madness. Dont know how else to put it.

    God bless!!!

  4. Homosexual defender always make the argument about slavery and women to justify their sin. Lets take on women first…..
    1 Corinthians 11:3But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.

    Ephesians 5:23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.

    When you follow this model your house and its inhabitants won’t be jacked up. The reason why we have so many young girls and boys with STD’s, babies out of wedlock and who are sexually perverse is because their father is not the head of his house.

    Slavery are you kidding me? Everybody in American owns something made by a slave in a manufacturing plant overseas. Its a fallen world.

    Proverbs 15:3The eyes of the LORD are in every place,
    Watching the evil and the good.

    People talk like God doesn’t see everything…

    Colossians 3:22-25 Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord.

    23Whatever you do, do your work heartily, as for the Lord rather than for men,

    24knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance It is the Lord Christ whom you serve.

    25For he who does wrong will receive the consequences of the wrong which he has done, and that without partiality.

    God will repay the slave and the slave master with righteous judgment.

    The LORD even laughs at the wicked man….

    Psalm 37:13The Lord laughs at him,
    For He sees his day is coming.

  5. To Pastor Foster (whom I greatly respect)

    The question of slavery was put to you to make the point that I made in the very last paragraph of my last post.

    There is a difference between Liberal Christians/Radical Inclusive Ministries and traditional ministries. As I see it, one group views the ancient Holy scriptures as a “moving”, “evolving”, “changing” document that must be studied and understood for its original intent and not its current interpretation/translation and transcends culture, customs, times therefore is not locked into one understanding but many understandings that come with the ever changing world we live in, we bring truth to the thought that the Bible is a living breathing instrument that is STILL SPEAKING! The other group (yourself included) appear to view the scriptures as “final”, “ending”, “as is” and “for good or bad” or for “better or worse”.

    I don’t assume to know which group is right, for me its not a matter of right or wrong, in the end God will be the final judge. Some find it odd to pick and choose scripture. And I find that both sides are guilty of this; but at least Liberal Christians admit to picking and choosing scriptures and they justify their reasons for it; basically we don’t believe that the Bible is without error and we recognize that “man’s” hands and man’s thought process has tainted the scriptures with “customs, traditions, thought patterns” that are at the root “man’s will/desires/prejudices” they have attempted to credit as God’s own.

    As every generation get’s smarter (for ex; the world is not flat as early believers thought) and more evidence is learned of ancient times (for ex: Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Judas, Dead Sea Scrolls etc..) and more evidence is learned of the human body (genetics, sexuality, the brain); the real truth comes out and most people are able to appreciate the Bible for what it is; a book of inspiration..a door into the soul of God and the Love of Jesus..its just a door, we must go inside, dig deeper..linger in the essence and fullness of the Almighty God to fully understand who he is and what the ancient scriptures may or may not reveal about him based upon actual truth, sound investigation into the authencity of the various translations of the Bible minus any bais attitudes towards any sector of humanity.

    When the “non-radical inclusive church” can get their act together and get on ONE accord then maybe they will have some “creditability” to speak out against “homosexuality”; otherwise it just sounds as if you and others have a talent for picking and choosing scriptures with no real justification for doing so thusly, professing themeselves holy but are filled with hypocrisy. At least on our side there is a method/reason/explanation to the madness….I’m still trying to figure the other side out…the contradictions are scary..and are many in number…ex. women issues, slavery, parenting (I don’t see Christians killing/stoning their children for not obeying but some do use the Bible as an excuse to “abuse” their children physically with man made objects that only introduces their children to violence, then wonder why they turn to gangs), divorce (Christians have the highest divorce rate), remarriage (when the former wife or husband is still alive) etc…I will not list the other’s because your readers are well informed of the hypocrisy that exist in the traditional church and perhaps in their own views.

    The truth is; no one knows why homosexuality exist. To assume and contribute it to just “sexual lust” is too easy. To assume and contribute the creation of homosexuality to God maybe too high of an expectation. Maybe homosexuality exist because “humanity” exist and in God’s love; he sent his son Jesus to provide joy, salvation and healing, restoration, comfort and peace to all of humanity.

  6. I came acrossthis quote a couple of weeks ago on the Defending/Contending blog and I think it speaks to the matter at hand:

    The Bible is a difficult book because it came from the infinite to the finite—from the unlimited all powerful God, to limited man. Therefore, you cannot understand the Bible as you could understand the writings of Plato and Socrates. You can study the great philosophers with the natural mind and by diligent application grasp their profound meanings. If the Bible could be understood by natural man, it would be a natural book
    And could not be the Word of God.
    Since the Bible is from God, and therefore Spiritual, before you can receive it’s teachings, you must be born of the Spirit and filled with the spirit. Always approach the Bible praying that the Spirit will be your teacher and will guide you to a better understanding of His Holy word, or it will remain a difficult, closed book.

    Over the years people have asked for more straight forward “plain english” versions of the Bible, because kings english, greek/hebrew words, locations, names, etc…all “too tough” to understand and when they finally got it they still don’t like what it says in plain english to and about their carnal man and lives. There is a book Christless Christianity, it begins:
    What would things look like if Satan really took control
    of a city? … all of the bars would be closed, pornography banished, and pristine streets would be filled with tidy pedestrians who smiled at each other. There would be no swearing. The children would say, “Yes, sir” and “No, ma’am,” and the churches would be full every Sunday . . . where Christ is not preached.

    Most people this sounds like Utopia, but they forget despite living a morally and socially perfect life they would still be doomed because Christ is the only way to eternal life. The only way to know Christ, what he loves, and what he hates-all sin, is to stay in the Bible. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
    These “churches” are pushing it out entirely because its not culturally timely? no because their corrupt spirits can not handle the truth of the Bible and Jesus Christ.

  7. All I can say to these apostate bishops and prelates and pastors
    and pew sitters who refuse to make a stand on the revealed and known word of God!…THE LORD REBUKE YOU.
    They are blinded to the Word because they want to be blinded to the Word.
    As one apostate stated…this change in policy will help church growth!!
    Can you imagine devising plans to accomplish church growth by catering to the homosexual/gay agenda?
    When you get those sinners in the church, you are certainly not going to preach a Jesus based gospel!
    What you bring them in with…is what is also needed to keep them in.
    So, if you are pro homosexual, your preaching and teaching (ha..ha) can not and will not preach Holy Ghost conviction about sin and repentance. Why? Because you did not preach the same to bring them in the church, so why change when they come in?
    People of God, apostasy is on the rise and I could weep when the
    so called main line churches are not manning the ramparts with
    position papers which decry this apostasy and corruption of the Word of God.
    The church world is seemingly silent as to what is going on in their so called “sister” denominations.
    No one wants to chastize or correct. Everyone wants to play it safe.
    The church is going to be the laughingstock of the world since we profess all of this light and truth but are afraid to speak it out when clear cases of sin slaps us in the face.
    Talk about being lukewarm and neither hot nor cold! Wow.
    The E.C.L.A. is walking hand in hand with a corrupt doctrine and
    no one is weeping about it!
    The Episcopalian church (not all of it) is flirting with Satanic
    danger and no one is sounding the trumpet!
    Wake up church in America! Your candlestick is going to be replaced.

  8. MAW, I can only speak for myself. I do not pick and choose scripture. I believe all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

    I will say again, everything in the bible is true, everything in the bible is not truth. One deals with verification, the other with application.

    We do know why homosexuality exists. It exists (like all other sin) because man refuses and rejects the good and perfect will of God. It exists because our flesh desires that which opposes the intent and purpose of God.

    Finally, the comparisons you list (and others make allusion to) reveal an unwillingness to acknowledge the truth about sexual sins. There has never been any biblical allowance or approval of sexual immorality regardless of the manifestation. The strawman fight with the church will never be resolved because “the church” didnt institute the standards, God did. Whether the church is hypocritical is irrelevant. When we stand in that last day, it will be God —the one who set the clear standards— who will pass judgment. Its rather immature to say that God would leave us in the dark about sexual expression, then judge us based on our ignorance.

  9. Min. Antwoine Williams said: I don’t assume to know which group is right, for me its not a matter of right or wrong, in the end God will be the final judge.

    That’s right God is the final judge.

    (Amplified Bible)
    1 Corinthians 6:9-10Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

    10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

    *Bold emphasis mine.*

  10. This website is very ridiculous! I am not commenting on this particular post, but the things that I’ve read and accusations you have made towards others, with no proof whatsoever of what you’re printing disgusts me. I’m sure this comment will be removed, considering it’s dissent to your context, but to sentence a person without trial is injustice, and I believe that is what you do here, when you project your opinion towards random individuals without any proof of what you’re saying.
    It’s one thing to say that a man is gay when he is very flamboyant, or wearing heels ect.., but to say so because some random individual suggest so is more than ridiculous. Every one says their doing the work of god these days.

    While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and “sinners” were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the “sinners” and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and ‘sinners’?”

    On hearing this, Jesus said to them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

    GCMW: When your comment is not for a particular post, you should send it to email per the comment policy. I’ll allow it this time.

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