CARM Founder answers 'stoning homosexuals' question

We’ve often been accused of double standards, cherry picking and proof texting in our opposition to homosexuality.  But is there an explanation as to why homosexuality is still sin although, the Old Testament death penalty by stoning is no longer applicable?

President and Founder of  Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM), Matt Slick attempts to explain it.

Critics of the Bible often cite Old Testament instances of slavery, violence against homosexuals, wiping out nations, etc., as evidence of a morally inadequate set of rules.  They will also often ask why present-day Christians don’t follow these “barbaric” teachings today.  They complain that Christians are inconsistent, and say that if we really follow the Bible then why don’t we advocate such things as killing both homosexuals (Lev. 20:13) and disobedient children (Deut. 21:18-21).

The reason we don’t is because the Old Covenantal system, that involved such harsh punishments, has been done away with.  We are under a new covenant.  Jesus said in Luke 22:20, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.”

And lest you think that “done away with” means allowable per cultural mutations, think again. Slick says prohibitions against moral perversions still stand:

However, this does not mean that we are to approve of such sins as homosexuality, adultery, lying, and stealing.  We are to not participate in the sins of the world.  Instead, we are to avoid them.  We are not to be violent to anyone since the old theonomic, covenantal system has been done away with (Heb. 8:13).  Instead, we are to be kind to them (2 Tim. 2:24-25) and show them love (1 Cor. 16:14; 2 Cor. 5:14).  But the moral condemnation of immorality still stands — as is clearly taught in 1 Cor. 6:9-10 and Rom. 1:26-28.

So, the reason Christians are not obligated to stone homosexuals, disobedient children, and adulterers, is because we’re no longer underneath the Old Testament covenantal system. It has been fulfilled and done away with (Heb. 8:13).

Read Matt Slick’s entire commentary on why we no longer stone homosexuals.

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12 thoughts on “CARM Founder answers 'stoning homosexuals' question

  1. Speaking of stoning…please do a blog about Uganda’s bill to KILL/stone Gay’s!…blog how American Ex-Gay Ministries have had a hand in encouraging such “legislation”…..Scott Lively/Robert Cohen…the policitian from Uganda who introduced the bill to kill Gay’s is a member of the “Family”…a conservative right wing organization that has funded ex-gay ministries..

    This is sad..horrible..to use your beliefs to encourage such hate in Uganda..totally misleading the Uganda parliment…painting Gay’s are so horrific that “something should be done to stop Gay’s”…a direct quote from an ex gay man….

    Please blog on this..i would love to hear your view..

    Rachel Maddow has done excellent research on this…

    GCMW: I have been reading on this. Personally, I have mixed feelings about it. And dont assume that its all pro-exgay. Until I resolve that, I probably will remain silent on it.

  2. I, too, have mixed feelings on Uganda. Death penalty for sexually abusing children…I agree. Penalties for not telling a partner you have HIV status…I agree. Criminalization of not reporting homosexually active individuals, that’s dicey.

    Another aspect…http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/12/02/if-uganda-executes-gays-will-american-christians-be-complicit/

    Will this issue bring about christian persecution in the US? Something to think about.

    God bless!

  3. Thanks for the Uganda comments. The Ugandan government arent making their laws per the bible’s instructions. If they are, then they are about 2000 years behind the curve. Check the scriptures cited. Most of this is politics, thus my mixed feelings and decision not to address it here. We’ll leave that to the folks at exgaywatch. They love that political religion stuff.

  4. MAW Homosexuals stoned or not will suffer the second death if they don’t repent and turn away from the homosexual lifestyle…..

  5. To Robert:

    This isn’t about life after death; its about “murder”, “injustice” while here on earth….

    To Pastor Foster

    I don’t think its policitical…I think the Ugandan’s are serious..I think many in America who worked w/ the Uganda leaders on the issue of homosexuality did not know the extent as to what Ugandan’s would go too..to fix there so called “homosexual, HIV” problem…as they say on the streets “they were played”….now they all have to come out and speak against the anti-homosexual bill….

    GCMW: Im sure theyre smart enough to figure it all out.

  6. Why do we execute murderers and often use old testement laws to justify it? I wish there was more teaching in this area. Nobody has given me a satisfactory answer yet and I’ve been searching for years.

  7. We,as in the USA have the death penalty for murder. And many preachers have justified it quoting the OT. Falwell to name just one. BTW I support the death penalty for murder based on biblical justification of it.

  8. You can’t be Saved and not support the death penalty. Because the Bible says every man and woman is worthy of of the two deaths, physical body and spiritual body.

    I mean how could you not support the death penalty when the Bible says we all deserve it?

  9. MAW Said To Robert:

    This isn’t about life after death; its about “murder”, “injustice” while here on earth….

    If you die Saved, washed clean by the Blood of Christ what is the problem? Unless of course these homosexuals are not Saved (they are not) and when they do in deed get killed (I do not support that) they will stand before God having practiced a lifestyle He condemned. So what will be the end result?

    Revelation 20:15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

    That is the real tragedy.

  10. Falwell is dead. If you dont like US laws, work to change them. You have a right to support laws based on whatever you want to. Let’s end this silly conversation because it has zero merit.

  11. Besides, Paul didn’t have a problem with being under capital punishment as he was under the new covenant.

    Acts 25: 10-11
    10 Paul answered: “I am now standing before Caesar’s court, where I ought to be tried. I have not done any wrong to the Jews, as you yourself know very well. 11 If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die. But if the charges brought against me by these Jews are not true, no one has the right to hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar!”

    Sorry for bringing back up, GCM!!!

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