Ugandan Pastors' letter demands apology from Rick Warren

ssempraAn interesting development for Rick Warren watchers in the ever devolving saga of Uganda, homosexuality, the church, gay activists, national sovereignty, et al.

Stay with me on this, its a maze but here it is in a nutshell.

Warren, ever the jack in the box, visited Uganda  March 27, 2008 and strongly urged pastors not to tolerate homosexuality in their country. As some point, a bill came to light which is said to criminalize homosexuality with a death penalty attached. Consequently the pastors, led primarily by well known Ugandan evangelist Martin Ssempra (left), put their weight behind the murky, misinterpreted bill. After Warren’s letter and visit tied him to the controversy, he denied he was involved. Homosexual activists and media types turned up the fire on him for lying…again. As expected from Warren, he now condemns the bill, the pastors actions, and anything else he can to save face with homosexual activists who don’t like him anyway.

The east central African nation, its legislators and an ad hoc pastor’s taskforce has been at the center of a major firestorm of criticism and condemnation from all directions.  You can google to get all the details.

Now, Ssempra has shot back across the Atlantic with an angry letter publicly blasting Warren for flip-flopping on the issue.

December 19th, Ssempra sent two “open emails”, one to Christianity Today and the other —perhaps more detailed— to Warren Throckmorton demanding that Rick Warren repent within the next seven days for “wronging” the Ugandan pastors.

While Im not interested in the debating the morass of controversy fueled in part by gay activists who quickly gave Uganda’s legislation a sound bite title, it does once again show how false prophets like Warren can inflict considerable damage even on whole nations.

Warren has done the same thing on homosexual issues before.  Remember his Obama inauguration prayer controversy and then the Prop 8 debacle? Its a major double mindedness at best.  The pastors should have told Warren to butt out and fix his own problems but I digress.

Here’s some excerpts of Ssempra’s email via Throckmorton’s blog which should serve notice to Warren defenders to take off your anti-snake glasses and see that this man is bad business.

Ssempra, representing the pastor’s taskforce, writes:

“We acknowledge receipt of a letter from you in which you called on us (Ugandan Pastors) to “speak out” against the proposed “Anti-homosexuality Bill 2009” which is currently before our parliament. This bill has been greatly misrepresented by some homosexual activists causing hysteria and we take this opportunity to give you the background, facts and response to the concerns you raised. A special meeting of 20 denominational heads met on Thursday 17th Dec in the offices of the minister of Ethics and Integrity, examined your letter and formed a joint task force to respond to you as well as help support the parliament in the passage of this bill.  We are further distressed by your unwarranted abuse of our duly elected officials who are in the process of making laws in the fulfillment of their mission and make demand that you biblically issue an apology for having wronged us as demonstrated by the facts of this letter.”

Ssempra makes a vivid point about the state of western Christian church and its plunge into apostasy:

“The take-over by homosexuals of western institutions that should have remained as defenders and protectors of moral integrity in society, particularly the church, to the extent that even evangelical church leaders in America no longer protest when a practicing homosexual is appointed into pastoral leadership in the church (e.g. the election to the office of Bishop of  Mary Glasspool in your state of California last week and Gene Robinson in New Hampshire before her). This institutional takeover by homosexuals has been systematic and planned, to the extent that other bodies like the UN, national governments, financial institutions, private companies, NGOs, etc. have become spokespersons of the gay movement and daily use official resources to promote the gay agenda and to arm-twist anyone who opposes this agenda. In a globalized world, this western takeover of institutions by homosexuals has turned into international promotion of homosexuality and of other vices like abortion and pornography in other countries.”

Ssempra noted that 200 of Uganda’s top religious leaders have backed the law and cited a growing chasm in the global church over homosexuality.

“We note with sadness the increasing levells [sic] of accepting of the evil of homosexuality. The ordination of Mary Glasspool a Lesbian as a bishop in Los Angeles without any condemnation from you, has increased the widening gap between the global south church in Africa and the global north church in Europe and America. In these increasingly dark days, we encourage you not to give into the temptation to water down what the bible says so as not to offend people.  Jesus’s gospel is a stumbling block, and a rock of offense.  Rick you are our friend, we have bought many of your books and have been blessed by them. Do not let the pressure of bloggers and popular media intimidate you into becoming a negotiator for homosexual paedophillia rights in Africa. As you yourself say about evil, – “the Bible says evil has to be opposed. Evil has to be stopped. The Bible does not say negotiate with evil. It says stop it. Stop evil.”(RW-12/2007) Since the bible says that the giant of  homosexuality is an “abomination” or a great evil, you cannot achieve the peace plan without  a purpose driven confrontation with evil.”

I do not know whether the bill is good bad or in between.  I do know that Ssempra is right on this issue. Homosexuality is satan’s weapon of choice to usher in the antichrist era on the world. And while I don’t believe legislation alone will stop it, believers should recognize that we are beyond the point of no return. This isnt about so-called civility, equality and loving acceptance of people. That’s what they (the blind guides) tell you, but a spirit is at work and those who misjudge its intent will be conduits of devils into the contemporary church.

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21 thoughts on “Ugandan Pastors' letter demands apology from Rick Warren

  1. “Homosexuality is satan’s weapon of choice to usher in the antichrist era on the world. And while I don’t believe legislation alone will stop it, believers should recognize that we are beyond the point of no return. This isnt about so-called civility, equality and loving acceptance of people. That’s what they (the blind guides) tell you, but a spirit is at work and those who misjudge its intent will be conduits of devils into the contemporary church.”

    Amen – I stand in 100% agreement with you on this. There is a division that has been going on for so long and the word says it will happen…we better decide if we are going to live for Christ as the word says or die without Him….lukewarm will not do!

    God Bless Pastor – thanks for the info….

  2. Thanks Alissa. So very sobering. If there ever was a time for individual believers in Christ to make their “election and calling sure” now is the time.

    Mt 25 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    Deception is a sign to those who believe.

    Thanks again.

  3. This is a profound piece due to the fact that it shows those that are willing to please God, as well as the multitudes that would please men!

    Choose ye this day, whom you will serve!

  4. Pastor Foster!

    Well, thank you for finally doing a blog on this subject. Your views to me are always interesting and I look forward to reading your blogs. But seriously, how can these men of God preach Jesus Christ and the message of hope, salvation and redemption and then turn around and support legislation in their country that is so unChrist like—now from what I’ve read of the bill….it treats homosexuality as a crime..not a sin..but a crime..against the law..punishable by prison time and in some cases death….

    GCMW: It looks like the Ugandan government and people are smart enough to run their own country. After they have been doing it for over a 100 years and it still exists. Its called sovereignty which each nation is entitled to. Would America want another nation to subvert our laws and legal proceedings?

    And yet, you don’t know if the bill is good or bad or in between? Let me ask you this, do you think in America homosexuality should be a crime?

    GCMW: based on what?

    Now, as far as Mr. Rick Warren I think he did the right thing by sending these ministers a letter encouraging them not to support this bill. Now, I don’t think Rick Warren has the interest of the gay community at heart, more like his wallet and American image…

    As far as this minister beef with America, oh well..get over it…as America goes..so does the world and if Uganda wants to be apart of the global community then its laws need to be free of “hate” and “injustice”…you may think those are “code words” for I don’t know..the great take over of the Gays..HAHAHAHAHA…

    But at the end of the day….words like “equality, justice” were the same words used by Dr.King.

  5. Bottom line – they (our “gay” loving media) want anyone who says homosexuality is a sin, wrong, and deadly, to be labeled a murder, or at least an accessory to murder. No facts required and certainly no Truth delivered from God will be welcomed in such a discussion.

    Min AW writes – now from what I’ve read of the bill….it treats homosexuality as a crime..not a sin..but a crime..against the law..punishable by prison time and in some cases death….

    May I ask when did the willing acts of AIDS infected folks engaging in sodomy (with God knows who) become different from folks with untreated hepatitis? fyi- one group must register with the state, and the other is protected by the state.

  6. Wow Pastor Foster,

    Looks like Tricky Ricky done stepped in it now ONCE AGAIN and he’ll do so again before it’s all over.

    Now, so far as the Ugandan law or potential law, capital punishment varies in various countries. Some places acts that we take for granted are punishable by death. Sodomy in the US was a crime some time ago wasn’t it? I mean until recently wasn’t homosexual activity outlawed in many states? I know it wasn’t punishable by death but certain arrangements are accepted now by modern convention…

    I mean if Rick doesn’t believe in homosexuality, and i were a homosexual advocate, I would rather know the truth of his position. From his current position he could equally bring damage to those who befriend him…confusion is never good and I believe that deception is the ultimate crime.

  7. yeah Pastor to me this is more a matter of national sovereignty. The US just knocked down its sodomy laws in 2003 (Lawrence vs Texas). So why cant they allow another country to live out its course in the same manner? The gay activists and all the politicians who are scared of the 2010 midterm elections are jumping on the bandwagon to condemn Uganda. Its good politics.

    So we have tons of messed up laws in this country. Roe V Wade for one which sentences unborn children to death to the tune of millions per year. Yet, they see nothing wrong with this. Its “choice” to murder a child up to the ninth month. But the same brazen hypocrites get lathered up in manufactured outrage at another country.

    Warren of course is another story, just more double minded hypocrisy.

  8. Generally, I agree with you about churches not endorsing homosexual behavior. But this matter isn’t about scripture. And your stance seems to beg a few questions.

    The question, Pastor Foster, is whether you are endorsing the use of capital punishment by a government against people whose behavior may violate the Ten Commandments, but isn’t injuring anyone’s life, liberty or property? If you endorse such a law, then I have to wonder how you can reconcile your faith with Jesus’ admonishment of “do Caesar under Caesar and do God unto God”? More importantly, do you then endorse the right of a nation to take the life of people because they are Christians or some other faith (which does happen in many countries in the Middle East)?

  9. @ Pastor Fosters
    “Legalizing something is immensely powerful in persuading people of the moral acceptability of immoral acts. In fact, for a great many people, legal = moral.” David Kupelian, he was discussing the roe v. wade decision.
    The inverse is you can’t legislate morality or salvation. This is not going to cause homosexuals to cry out ‘what must I do to be saved,’ but that has never been the work of laws, even the Bible points that out. I personally am against capital punishment in any country for any crime, but Uganda has sovereignty to make whatever laws they choose, just like any other country (except Iraq circa 2001-). @ Sevenmack, this is not something new, Meshach, Shadrach, Abednego, and Daniel faced a similar situation in the Bible, there are countries today where giving the sovereign God his due means “offending” Caesar (when you are actually helping) if you are caught, this is a part of church’s cross to carry facing death for standing for the faith.

  10. God Bless You Rev. Foster. You “reason” with people even if they disagree with you. A lot of other blogs are filled with hatred, and vulgarity. Perhaps profanity is supposed to be intimidating. There is no resolution, only more anger.

    God is going to move in the year 2010 in a mighty way. When God put the tree in the midst of the garden and said “don’t eat from it, He meant it.” The people who can do what’s RIGHT while the EVIL is present, have failed the test. The way is so plain… even a fool can find it!

    Praying for you and with you!

    In Christ,

  11. Alissa Lynne:

    It is not so much homosexuality that is being used to usher in the ant-Christ era as is the general concept of self-idolatry. Homosexuality is just part of a larger movement for mankind to exalt himself and depicts the chief end, reason for existence, and highest calling and purpose for any individual as being the pursuit of his own personal pleasure and his own personal identity or fulfillment however said person chooses to define and pursue it. As such, any attempt to deny a person a right to define his identity and pursue pleasure or fulfillment on his own term is considered evil, whether it is our refusal to accept it in a moral or cultural (or legal) sphere or our refusal to fund it through tax revenue.

    And these new religious views are a key part of this, because the self-identity, self-fulfillment, personal meaning and personal pleasure are the ultimate aim of all of the New Agey religions, including existing religions that have been modified with New Age thinking to take the focus off pleasing a deity and placing it on the desires of humanity. Thus, all religious systems that focus on meeting the standards of a deity are called “fundamentalist” and are therefore branded as evil, and all religious systems that focus on exalting the human desire are good and acceptable, whether it is “Christianity”, “Judaism”, “Islam”, atheism etc. Of course, it is easy to label the “acceptable” religions as liberal, but it goes deeper than that, because you have a lot of “conservative” promoters of religious forms that are essentially self-indulgent, including Rick Warren, who while orthodox enough to remain in good standing in the Southern Baptist Convention still nonetheless peddles New Agey narcissism, and the same goes for Joel Osteen and his theology and methods lifted almost wholesale from the Norman Vincent Peale school.

    The tower of Babel was people coming together to make a name for themselves that would be remembered, or in a very real way worshiping themsleves, since the tower can be considered an ancient near eastern ziggurat, a religious tower structure dedicated to idol worship that is in so many ways the forerunner of the Muslim minaret, the Egyptian pyramid, the Hindu temple etc. Except that instead of building the tower to Baal, Zin, Ashtaroth etc. they were building the tower to themselves, worshiping themselves, for their own name instead of the name of any god. That is precisely what these modern religious movements, of which homosexual “Christian” theology is but a small part, are about.

    And as far as national sovereignty and the Ugandans handling their own affairs, I agree with precisely those sentiments in my own: http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/should-christian-pastors-speak-out-against-the-uganda-anti-homosexuality-laws-i-say-no/

    But that is precisely one of the reasons why a one world government is required to pull this off, a position argued by even a secular writer here:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/janetdaley/6845967/Therell-be-nowhere-to-run-from-the-new-world-government.html

  12. I think there is a subtext to this article that has not been explored. Tricky Ricky speaks out both sides of his mouth. After Tricky Ricky gave the Prayer at President Barry’s inauguration many gay and lesbians came out against Obama’s choice of Rick Warren to lead the prayer.

    Among other things, the LGBT community claimed that Warren was “anti-gay” and questioned the Presidents choice.

    In fact, singer songwriter Melissa Etheridge who is gay was just one of many voices who openly protested Warren. In response Warren contacted the singer of which here is a transcript of what transpired after Trick Ricky personally called Etheridge.

    Etheridge decided to talk with Warren beforehand.

    “On the day of the conference I received a call from Pastor Rick, and before I could say anything, he told me what a fan he was,” Etheridge wrote.

    “He had most of my albums from the very first one.”

    Added the recording artist, “This didn’t sound like a gay hater, much less a preacher.

    “He explained in very thoughtful words that as a Christian he believed in equal rights for everyone. He believed every loving relationship should have equal protection.

    “He struggled with proposition 8 because he didn’t want to see marriage redefined as anything other than between a man and a woman.

    “He said he regretted his choice of words in his video message to his congregation about proposition 8 when he mentioned pedophiles and those who commit incest. He said that in no way, is that how he thought about gays.”

    Added Etheridge, “He invited me to his church, I invited him to my home to meet my wife and kids. He told me of his wife’s struggle with breast cancer just a year before mine.”

    The singer-songwriter wrote, “When we met later that night, he entered the room with open arms and an open heart. We agreed to build bridges to the future.”

    The complete exchange can be seen here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-etheridge/the-choice-is-ours-now_b_152947.html

    In conclusion, Rick Warren will do and say anything for his own image and gain.

    Kyle

  13. Kyle, very true and thanks for bringing that to light. Warren has proven over and over that he will say whatever will curry favor with the group/person confronting him. It reminds me of Larry, Darren’s boss of the show Bewitched.

    I wonder what he will say to Ssempra now that he has been confronted as a two faced turncoat by the Ugandans.

  14. A lot of things are taking place in Africa, when Benny Hinn talked about appearing on stage with jesus in Kenya, then the maitreya appeared with catholic nuns, it was a warning to everyone.

    These P.E.A.C.E. plans and denominionist visions are dangerous for Africa.

    Today you have prosperity messages being preached up and down the land. It is ridiculous but it is happening.

  15. I would also like to make another point. Too often people claim the likes of Warren and others give milk instead of meat regarding scripture. I have come to the conclusion that these hucksters don’t even provide milk but rather venom.

    These people need outright repentance and to apologize for their deceit. Unfortunately “ the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil”.

    So that being said are these people any different then Judas? Did not Judas claim to be a disciple and was he not counted among the original twelve?

    The reason I mention this is because as I have studied and prayed it seems apparent that many of these individuals may not be actually saved. Think about it. The gospel is an OFFENSE. If the world loves you and people fawn over you then something is very wrong.

    Now this does not mean you need to cause contention among the people of the world. The Bible clearly teaches we are to live peaceably among people. However, with matters of truth we are to be steadfast even if it causes anger, rejection, and yes even your life.

    Rick Warren if he had true conviction should have stated to Melisa Etheridge that as a Christian he could not endorse such a lifestyle. He should have given her the Gospel message as a message of hope, deliverance, peace, and love.

    But here is the crux. For him to have done that would have brought the ire of the media and would have put a blight on his “image”. Rick Warren if he is saved should worry how God vies him and not the how the world does.

    Kyle

  16. If you want to use the Ugandan sovereignty argument in favor of legislation that puts homosexuals to death, then you must also have disagreed with the decision of the US to enter WWII. After all, Germany was a sovereign nation.

    And no, I do not condone homosexuality. But that’s a rather short-sighted argument to use.

  17. southerndude, thanks for not supporting homosexuality.

    Let’s make a little comparison based on your examples.

    1. How many homosexuals have been “put to death” in Uganda? Estimates w/documentation are acceptable.
    2. How many Jews (including homosexuals) were put to death in Germany under Hitler?

    You do the math. If you dont like Uganda’s sovereignty, catch the next flight out and go do something about it. Please let us know what you accomplished.

    Plus, I havent “favored” any legislation. I favor God’s word.

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