Tony Compolo's juvenile defense of homosexuality

For a man who claims tcampoloo be such a deep thinking progressive on Christian matters, Tony Compolo’s defense of homosexuality is just plain silly. The almost 4 minute video is chocked full of sillyisms Compolo has picked up from the gay christian movement and in the perfect cookie cut mold of the gcm, its utterly devoid of any rational thinking, spiritual maturity or sound biblical exegesis.

Compolo calls himself the “positive prophet of red letter Christianity”. Is that red as in cherry picking red? Maybe that’s his first major error. His bio lists a cacophony of educational accomplishments, but none of it reflected in his defense of homosexuality.

Campolo is an alumnus of, a Professor Emeritus of Sociology at, Eastern University in St David’s, Pennsylvania. He is a 1956 graduate of Eastern College, Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary (now Palmer Theological Seminary) and earned a Ph.D. from Temple University. He is an ordained Baptist minister and evangelist, presently serving as an associate pastor of the Mount Carmel Baptist Church in West Philadelphia, which is affiliated with both the National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc. and the American Baptist Churches USA.[1] For ten years, he was a professor of sociology at the University of Pennsylvania.

Like most of the social justice false prophets on the scene today who are bought and paid for by the gcm, Campolo’s remarks show zero originality. There’s no scholarly revelation just regurgitated parroting of disingenuous religious expediency.

Let’s take a look at Campolo’s “educated” philosophy where he emphasizes a “red letter” approach to the bible.

1. “The young people are not thinking the same as as the older people are on this.”

And that means what? We should ditch the truth of the bible to follow what “young people” are thinking?  Young people are as fickle as the direction of the wind.  I wonder if Campolo would have given the keys of his car to his 10 year old daughter because she thought 10 year olds were just as mature drivers as anyone else? This is slouchy pied piper-type pandering.  But you can do that when you limit your worldview perspectives to the words of Christ without understanding that the WORD is Christ. Provers 22:15 tells us that young people are naturally inclined to foolish thinking. Thinking that only matures with understanding God’s way over the process of time and discipline (from older, wiser people).

2. “Our love for Christ transcends divisions about homosexuality.”

No, it doesn’t. Jesus said if you (claim) to love me, you will keep my commandments. Loving Jesus means upholding what he upheld and adhering to what he commanded us to adhere to. Of course, with “red letter” thinking, that is conveniently shortchanged. Jesus brought forward more old testament commandment than anyone. He cited the law as a basis of his own judgments. His love for people never short circuited his upholding of the moral law of God. He himself obeyed it without fail and anytime it was a issue, he referred back to God’s law. In fact he even tightened up the OT law by including one’s thoughts as equally sinful as one’s behavior.

3. “Jesus never addresses this issue directly”

Well Tony,  let’s conduct a simple test to your childish logic. Your assertion is that if Jesus didn’t address an issue “directly”, then it isn’t wrong. Jesus never said anything about smoking, child molestation, beating your wife, getting high of crack cocaine, cannibalism, animal abuse, necromancy, or erotic asphyxiation. My question is when can we expect you to post your youtube video advocating for any of the aforementioned life devaluing behaviors?

4. Jesus never addresses homosexuality as one of the “big sins”.

So we are to categorize sin now in big and little columns? Where is Jesus’ “red letter” instruction on that found? And how does the big sin/little sin paradigm work with 1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law?

5.  “The church is laying incredible burdens of gay and lesbian people and then doing nothing to alleviate that.”

The old pharisee card. The church isnt laying any “burden” on homosexuals. The burden (if that is the appropriate way to describe it) is caused by the refusal to live according to ways of the Lord Jesus. The “burden” is because the way of a trangressor (sinner) is hard Prov 13:15. Following Christ is no burden at all for those who are true disciples. In fact, Jesus promised that his yoke would be easy and his burdens light. But when a person is trying to merge sinful sexual behavior with a Christian facade the only result is self imposed burdens. And the only way to “alleviate” the burden of sin is to repent and turn away from it.  Campolo’s suggestion is heretical because it shifts the responsibility of forgiveness of sin from the Savior to the church.

6. “While Jesus never speaks on same gender marriage, he does speak about the marriage of people who are divorced.”

I’d argue that statement is pure hocus pocus. A sloppy sleight of hand like a shell trick hustler on a New York street. In Matthew 19, Jesus reaffirmed via Old Testament law that marriage was only between one man and one woman. All other pairings (same gender included) were not the will nor intent of God the Creator, but rather the sinful failings of humanity. How could such an “educated” theologian and red letter hypocrite like Campolo miss this? Easy, he has an agenda to deceive people with vain babblings.

That’s enough. That was just in 2:08 minutes of the video. Imagine how many lies, distortions, hat tricks and deception this man can do with a full speech? Unfortunately, this is what the rebellious want to hear. Jesus called this “wicked and perverse generation which seek signs”. They have already predetermined that their intelligence supercedes the good and perfect and acceptable will of God.

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106 thoughts on “Tony Compolo's juvenile defense of homosexuality

  1. Great analysis of an absurd set of arguments. Campolo is a joke. His foundation is off completely.

    Hey Tony, consider these facts about your “red letter” games:

    1. In the red letters, Jesus affirmed all of the OT. Got that? Every last letter — including Leviticus 18, which obviously applied to Jews and Gentiles (read the whole thing).

    2. Jesus is God. The whole Bible is the word of God, including Romans. Therefore, there is nothing in the NT that Jesus disagrees with, including Romans.

    3. Arguing from silence is a logical fallacy. It wasn’t on his “top 10” list because it wasn’t an issue for 1st century Jews, just like abortion wasn’t an issue for them. Infanticide wasn’t on his top 10 either, nor was pedophilia. Does that mean Tony will defend those as no big deal?

    Preach on, Pastor! I appreciate your ministry.

  2. That’s an interesting video.

    From the reading that I’ve been doing and from the interviews that I’ve seen, there seems to me to be a dividing line between those who emphasize what Jesus said, and those who emphasize what Paul said. It reminds me of the Corinthians who were divided over the teachings of the apostles (1 Cor. 3), except in this case people are divided over the teachings of Christ, and the teachings of Paul.
    It’s such an elementary thing to stress, but it seems like people need to be reminded that the whole Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation, should be emphasized and balanced in teaching. What Jesus taught shouldn’t be perceived as having precedence over what Paul (or any of the apostles) taught; if we’re to take that stance, then by virtue we’re shaping the Word of God so that it’s made suitable to our biased way of thinking.

    Some may accuse me of downplaying the teaching of Christ, focusing instead on the teachings of man (i.e., Paul). But how am I doing that? The whole Word of God is of equal relevance; if it wasn’t, the Spirit of God wouldn’t have allowed it to be written. Thus this debate of, “I follow what Jesus said” and “I follow what Paul said” is foolishness.
    2 Timothy 3:16.

    The Gospels were written for one purpose, and the Epistles another. But all of it – all of it – is meant to be a guide to holy living.

    As a side note, in regards to his comments about young people (this generation), they hold no weight for me. Because when there is a person who is studied in the Word, whose heart is possessed by the Lord, and who seeks wisdom from above, the age of that person is insignificant. (cf, Psalm 119: 97 – 100.)
    That person is not shifted by the trends of society nor are they shaken by cultural pressure.
    The Word of God is a rock, and those who stand on it are rock solid.

  3. Angela youre absolutely right. The scriptures are one, just as Father and Son are one. They are in complete harmony and any person who tries to take part of the gospel and elevate it as more important that another is handling the word deceitfully. Anyone who does this, their motives should be immediately questioned.

    To use Christ’s words (or non words) as a basis for justifying sin which is clearly condemned throughout scripture is wicked. All scripture is given by God, but all scripture is not applicable in all contextes. That’s for another post. But the case at hand is sexual behavior. And the prohibitions against any sexual conduct by anyone outside the male-female marriage covenant remain in place with nothing changed except the physical punishment assigned to them in the OT. There is not one instance where Jesus made sexual morality obsolete, even in love. He never broke one, single moral law, neither did he even remote encourage anyone else to do so. That shows that he was in full and complete agreement with every OT law addressing aberrant sexual conduct including homosexuality. The woman caught in adultery was not told her sin was okay because hypocrites caught her. She was told to go and sin no more. Thus Jesus agreed with the law about her sexual conduct, hypocrites aside.

    Thank you also to Neil!

  4. DL,

    Interesting video. I know that you stopped it early and didn’t see it in its entirety…but I’d be interested to know what you think about his statements about Jesus addressing divorce and re-marriage.

    I know that divorcees who are remarried are not parading around demanding equal rights,but then again neither are all gay christian gay people. However, divorcees who are re-married are allowed to be leaders in the church and they are indeed considered Christians…and not excluded from the body of Christ as being hellbound.

    Just interested to know what your take is on it.

  5. I did watch the entire video twice. I stopped at refuting his lies at 2:08.

    I think its already established that the Father and the Son are one. If you do not believe that, please check John 1:1-3;14. The mystery of God come in the flesh has been revealed.

    Per Jesus in Matt 19, divorce was not and is not the will or intent of God. That means God has never sanctioned it nor will he ever.

    Per God in Leviticus 18 and Romans 1, homosexuality was not and is not the will or intent of God the creator. That means that God has never sanctioned it, nor will he ever.

    After that, nothing but differences exist between these two diversions of the will of God.

    Jesus said MOSES allowed divorce due to the hardness of the heart( refusal to obey God’s will). Moses could be seen as the “pastor” of the Isrealites who although he didnt do everything right, still had the backing of God to that extent (Mal 4:4).

    Yet, there is no simular statement or even suggestion saying Moses allowed homosexuality due to the same reason which is refusal to obey the will of God. Instead, practicing homosexuality came with a death penality. Again law given by Moses, backed by God.

    So while divorce is wrong, there is a caveat of allowance –not acceptance– acknowledged by Christ. Without a parallel acknowledgement of homosexuality by Christ or in scripture there stands no comparative reason to allow unrepentant homosexuals into church leadership.

    Its much more than just a matter of who gets to be a leader in the church. The male-female model (even with its negative behavioral components) still accurately resemble the image of God and his uniquely creative nature. Homosexuality in contrast is in the image of death, an enemy to God (Romans 6:23, James 1:15, 1 Cor 15:26).

    Thanks for your questions.

  6. “So while divorce is wrong, there is a caveat of allowance-not acceptace- as acknowledged by Christ”

    So according to what you’re saying people who are divorced and decide to remarry are allowed to because of a different diversion of the will of God.(didn’t know that the will of God had diversions) But even though it is allowed by Moses, its not accepted nor sanctioned by Christ. So are re-married people still considered adulterers? Not quite so black and white is it? Just interested in knowing how it can that particular sin can be justified but others are demonized.

    We are no longer under the law of Moses.

  7. Lets cut to the chase behold, because I have little patience with your knack at bypassing scripture presented to inject red herrings. Wrong blog for that tactic.

    My first point: READ THE SCRIPTURES PRESENTED. If you disagree with them as the basis for my explanation, then present your disagreement with biblical citation.
    Second point: If youre no longer under the law of Moses, then why even ask the question? Jesus acknowledged the law of Moses, cited it and was obedient to it in all matters dealing with sexual behavior.
    Third point: This isnt a post about divorce, but homosexuality. Divorce is but a case in point footnote.

    That should get you back on track. If it doesnt, I’ll start deleting any other unnecessary red herrings.

  8. Can I just make this comment?

    Why is it that when Scripture is presented to refute the argument that homosexuality is approved by God, the red herrings come out like rodents?
    Many Christians, if they’re honest, will admit that the high rate of divorce is an issue within the Church that should be addressed and if possible, rectified. But this video isn’t about divorce, and when homosexuality is being discussed for the purpose of rebuking it with Scripture, divorce doesn’t need to come up then, either.
    Neither are approved by God, but it’s becoming redundant for the divorce topic to be a scapegoat for some people.

    Another tactic that’s getting stretched too thin is the whole poisoning of the well. If people can attack the reputation of the Church, with all of its hypocrisy (their claim), then the Church’s stance on homosexuality should be discredited, or at least disregarded.

    It’s a labyrinth of diversions.

    Behold, I’m not seeking to attack you or others, but these type of tactics are just that – tactics. Tactics to divert from the issue at hand.

  9. This guy really said that Jesus Christ knew the Bible “Well.” LOL Are you kidding me!? Jesus is the God of the Old Testament He is the Word…..you get it.
    I can’t even get mad because this is so ridiculous.

  10. I remember this guy on TV years ago. His pabulum has never changed and he is a die hard leftist through and through of which his “theology” is nothing more than an extension of his politics.

    Think about what I just stated above.

    Compolo is merely expressing his “own” liberal beliefs and filtering them through the bible as a means of disseminating his personal liberal ideologies.

    Never listen to anything this guy says.

    Kyle

  11. I trust by now that those who were holding their breath for Tony
    Campolo to come out and support the gospel of Jesus the Christ will now exhale.
    Tony C., has engaged, for an extended period of time, in deviating from known scriptures so that he can appear hip and cool with younger people and the seeker sensitive types.
    Tony C., has turned his back on revealed scripture and now has a preference for his own gibberish and image in the mirror.
    Do two things: [1] pray for Tony C., that he be turned over to Satan so that he will return to his senses and [2] give his
    heretic no room in your thinking.
    Tony C., has shaken his fist in God’s face and wants you to follow his example and absorb his non Biblical nonsense.
    Don’t do it. Do not be impressed by his name or his “credentials”.
    The Holy Spirit is not…so why should you?
    Do not partake of his darkness. Tony C., is setting himself up as an “anti-christ (meaning..in the place of Jesus) when he wants to
    substitute God’s judgment and word for Tony C., preferences.
    What lies from the pit of hell! By their fruits, you will know them! Pick (test by the Spirit) some of Tony Campolo’s fruit and they are rotten.

  12. Some of us believe that all scripture is given by inspiration of God not just the words Jesus spoke.The written Word is what God spoke and inspired Holy men to write,noone can change what God has spoken but it seems that this man is trying to omit or deemphasize portions of the Word of God.
    we must rightly the Word of truth,all of it,Jesus said we must live by “every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God” trying to defend and justify homosexuality will not change what God has spoken.This is really sad.

  13. I have always been bothered by Campolo and his wife who is even more of a radical vis a vis the gay agenda.

    And this even further confirms my opinion of Tony as sliding off the deep end…….one has to wonder if Tony is even regenerate???

    Very tragic to be sure for Tony and all the harm he is doing to the body and outside the body of Christ.

  14. Youre right Devon, I forgot to mention his wife Peggy who is 3 times as rabidly prohomosexual as him. He looks tame compared to her.

  15. I have always upheld biblical truth concerning homosexuality.

    I was not aware that Tony Campolo had such strong views. Having listened to them, I am pursuaded that God is trying to reach us on this issue. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I do believe Mr Campolo is correct. I have more mercy in me than judgment.

  16. I found the whole video on Youtube and would urge people to watch it all. Many of the comments people have left here are actually addressed later by Mr Compolo. The full context of Mr Compolo’s discussion of the issues and scriptures is inspiring.

  17. Homosexuality is a sin clearly described in the Word of God but the Word is being rejected and ignored by those in favor of homosexuality and any one standing in favor of the Word and proclaiming the truth are being comdemned by the pro homosexuals.This is sad and frightening because some minds are reprobated.

  18. Amos,

    You said,” I have more mercy in me than judgment”.

    I guess you only read the verses “before” Christ states, ” Go and sin no more”.

    Think about it.

    Kyle

  19. There is no need to watch all the regurgitated pig slop spewed from Campolo’s mouth. The three minute clip is enough to show his “spiritual condition.” How is God trying to reach us on this issue when He all ready stated only man and woman are allowed in marriage according to His Word?

  20. On the Cross, Christ prayed that those who put him to death would be forgiven of their sins. Likewise Stephen, being stoned to death, prayed for mercy for those who sinned against him.

    You on this website are calling for judgment and condemnation on people who have not even sinned against you. It is simply not Christ like. Think about it.

  21. Amos said:
    On the Cross, Christ prayed that those who put him to death would be forgiven of their sins. Likewise Stephen, being stoned to death, prayed for mercy for those who sinned against him.

    You on this website are calling for judgment and condemnation on people who have not even sinned against you. It is simply not Christ like. Think about it.

    Christ and Stephen both considered homosexuality sinful and worthy of Hell. So Amos your saying that those practicing sin (homosexuality, sorcery, murder stealing ect) will not have their part in the Lake of Fire? Can you point that out in the Bible? So why wouldn’t I want to warn somebody about that place. Your response will be interesting.

  22. Robert says both Christ and Stephen considered “homosexuality” sinful. What is the definition of “homosexuality” that he uses. If it is the state of being homosexual – well then the majority of gay people will tell you that unlike the so-called Christian media and propagandists like to say, people don’t CHOOSE TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. In which case what you are saying is that a person is SINFUL FOR EXISTING.

    If it is the homosexual acts that are condemned – what of people who have multiple partners or who rape or molest children (of the opposite gender).

    In either case, how do you prove that from Scripture?

    Quote verses where these two men were actually speaking.

  23. “You on this website are calling for judgment and condemnation on people who have not even sinned against you. It is simply not Christ like. Think about it.”

    Hmmmm, I see the opposite of this to be true here. Yes, I am a gay Christian whom is fully loved by God for whom He created me to be, and I am being sinned against by you, and others for being open and honest with what I KNOW to be true.

    GCMW: God didnt create you to be a sinner and go against his will just like he didnt create AIDS to kill people. Please stop lying on God. Nobody is sinning against you by telling you the truth about your sexual immorality, no more than they would be telling a prostitute that selling his or her body is wrong. You being “open and honest” only means youre broadcasting your sin which is not a good thing. Being proud of your sin is exactly the lesson sodom and gommorah learned too late. God doesnt need you to be open and honest. He requires that you repent, turn from your wickedness and serve him with integrity.

    How about instead of “judging” those whom are gay by the things we have been taught, that we prayerfully look at the seven clobber passages, and their surrounding text, and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to our hearts rather than making ourselves out to be God.

    GCMW: Jesus said when you reject him, you have judged yourself and you are already condemned. Check John 3:18-19. Playing the blame game wont help you to see that you are outside of the will of God and your sexual immorality is not pleasing or sanctioned by Him. Furthermore, we dont need to study anything. Man shall not have sexual intimacy with another man as he does with a woman. What dont you get about that? What is it that the Holy Spirit need to reveal other than your stubborn heart and rebellion against the will of God?

    Also, I hope you aren’t one whom eats shellfish, since this too would put you into the lake of fire, along with me!

    GCMW: No, we dont eat shellfish. Stay focused, it might help you.

    Please pray about this!

  24. Amos, if what you say is true, then God needs to repent and rescind the Bible before the end of the day. And before you get all into your weepy eyed forgiveness scenarios, dont forget you have twice contradicted yourself by first saying you upheld the Bible’s views on homosexuality, then you flipped and said Campolo spoke the truth. That’s a lie, both cant be true.

  25. Well, I can see you are my judge, jury, and executioner! Thank you GCMW, I am sure God would be proud of you! NOT!

  26. John said:

    Robert says both Christ and Stephen considered “homosexuality” sinful. What is the definition of “homosexuality” that he uses. If it is the state of being homosexual – well then the majority of gay people will tell you that unlike the so-called Christian media and propagandists like to say, people don’t CHOOSE TO BE HOMOSEXUAL. In which case what you are saying is that a person is SINFUL FOR EXISTING.

    Too Easy, since Christ is the God of the Old and New Testament we know God Clearly condemns the Act. It is fornication. The Bible also says in Romans that He (God) gives them over to a reprobate mind since they don’t want to repent anyway. So no it is not just the act that us sinful.
    Same old lie that people are born gay. Homosexuality and Affectation are demons and they need to be cast out. There is absolutely no genetic proof that anyone is born gay. All gays and lesbians suffer from one of these things at least.
    1.) Lack of Father
    2.) Molestation
    3.) Rape
    4.) Abandonment

    If it is the homosexual acts that are condemned – what of people who have multiple partners or who rape or molest children (of the opposite gender).

    You need to read the Bible.
    Fornication:–noun
    1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

    In either case, how do you prove that from Scripture?

    Quote verses where these two men were actually speaking.

    Christ destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.
    Stephen died Saved and therefore he didn’t fall under the Romans 1:32 category.

  27. Ron C, instead of refuting what I have said youve weasled out. If Im wrong, show where Im wrong. This isnt the place for you to spout false teachings and get let off the hook.

    So can all the judge, jury nonsense. If you can biblically support what youre claiming, do so. If not, please find somewhere else to play victim.

  28. gcmwatch, I am not the one who “weasled out” since I asked you to pray about it! I hope you can/will pray about it “with a sincere heart” to hear *His* answer, and not what *you* want to hear!

    I also hope you will read the “Letter to Louise” as well, which was written by a straight Baptist preacher.

    I lost almost 30 years of my life due to teachings like yours! Also like you, I too never prayed about it! It’s amazing what we can know/learn when we take things to prayer rather than trusting our own interpretation of things, which goes waaaay beyond the gay issue.

    I hope you won’t twist my words here like you have done twice now, but rather I hope you will actually seek the *one* who can truly give you an answer!

    I will be praying for you, and the others here to seek Him on this issue vs. what *we* believe the truth is about this.

  29. Pray about what??? Obeying God’s word? What kind of foolishness is that? My suggestion is that you learn of obey God and come out of the sexual immorality you are currently enslaved to.

    Its the height of arrogance to thumb your nose at Christ’s supreme sacrifice to give us freedom from sin, yet you claim his name but despise his word.

    There’s no need to pray here. The only need is to abandon your sin and lies and submit your life to Christ.

    PS: Already know about the “Lies to Louise”, how about reading God’s Word written by holy men as they were moved and inspired by the Spirit of God?

  30. It is dangerous to supress the conscience. I know, because I was on my way to doing it.
    I’m not comfortable sharing this, I’m truly not, but I do so to prove a point.

    I never had sexual relations with a woman, but at one point in my life, I thought I was well on my way to doing that.
    I harbored bitter feelings toward my father, and actually, to a lot of men who were in my life. I was always disappointed by men, and these wre men who were in my family, primarily. As a result, I strove to be totally, or almost totally, independent of them. And as I continued striving for that, my disgust of men deepened. You probably wouldn’t have noticed it right away, as I often hid it and didn’t reveal it until you got to know me. But inwardly, at all times, I distrusted men and thought they were, in general, disgusting.

    As time went on, I began to think and feel that women, in general, were inherently better, and with being better, they were more fit at being partners. I found myself wondering as I was in public, ‘Is she gay?’ And as I would think these things, I’d feel perverted.
    I began to have sexual thoughts of women…even admitting that is unbelievable to me now, knowing that in spite of my hardened feelings towards men, I always desired a man, wanting to be married.

    During all of this I was bombarded with thoughts and imaginations of me and other women. It was odd, strange and if I can be so bold, sickening. I had thoughts that had me thinking that, well, maybe I’m gay, in spite of my reactions.
    What’s so surprising, or what was surprising to me, was that here I was saved, born again, but having these thoughts that men are no good and women are.
    The reason why I was disgusted by those feelings was because, 1)I knew that women lying with women is an abomination to the LORD, and 2) it seemed and felt odd to me, naturally.
    What I realize now, thank God, is that my bitterness opened the door for our adversary. Bitterness gave way for the enemy to come in and delude me. Unresolved issues: bitterness, anger, doubt (because I began doubting the Word of God:’Is homosexuality really a sin?’. Sound familiar?), it all gives Satan the golden opportunity to come in as a flood and drown one with delusions. But I thank God that, in His love and mercy, He’s kept from believing a lie.
    When I was first born again I had one prayer in which I remained consistent in praying, and that was that God keep me from deception. I could care less about anything else, just that He keep me from being deceived. And He has.

  31. Angela – thank you for sharing your story. It is really encouraging to know that prayer has worked for you. I pray that He will continue to show you love and mercy as you seek His face.

    Amos

  32. Brother moderator, you are peddling hate, misery, conflict, impatience, nastiness, evil, disloyalty to Christ and His church, harshness and hardness of heart and an inability so control your internal rage.

    Remove the plank from your eye, study yourself, repent and prayerfully study Christ’s teachings, get filled with the Holy Spirit, manifest the fruits of the Spirit – and THEN you can minister to others.

    Peace and love in Him

  33. When you are a true Christian, brother moderator, the WOrd of God says we will recognise you by your fruits:

    Galations 5:22
    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.”

  34. In prayer, God also gave me this:

    There is neither jew nor greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, there is neither gay nor straight, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

  35. His grace is sufficient for us.

    His strength is made perfect in our weakness.

    He is the author and finsher of our faith.

    Praise God! Precious Jesus! Jesus is Lord! Let us serve HIM, and not the constructs and institutions of fallible, hateful men.

  36. In prayer, God also gave me this:

    There is neither jew nor greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, there is neither gay nor straight, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

    A demon gave you that not the Holy Spirit if I can be blunt and bold about it. Why you ask? Because that statement about sexually immoral can not be backed up in the Bible. Your pretty light on quoting Scripture if at all.

  37. amos said:

    GCM Watch Author wrote
    “Pray about what??? Obeying God’s word? What kind of foolishness is that? “

    So now I am starting to understand what is going on with this small group of fanatics. You are not Christians at all. You are relgious zealots who exalt yourselves above God, believing you can interpret His word and know His will WITHOUT prayerfully seeking Him.

    Foolishness. Coming from you I take being called a zealot as a compliment, the Apostle Simon was called the Zealot.
    Leviticus 18:22You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.

    1 Corinthians 6:9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

    Take those 2 Scriptures to your demons you pray to.

  38. Actually Robert all of those remarks are reiterations and paraphrasing of scriptures. It seems you did not recognise them. But I’m not trying to pursuade you to do anything but pray. If you truly seek God, He will lead you into truth.

  39. “… nor those who participate in homosexuality,”

    The word homosexuality was first introduced into bible translations in 1946. The greek word arkensoidal is actually not properly translated as such. Scriptures like the ones you quote deal with idolatry and pagan worship rituals. There are 8 scriptures which are interpreted as dealing with homosexuality, but 2000 dealing with economic injustice and helping the poor. You are allowing your bigotry and own personal issues to cloud your judgment, and to draw you away from the work Christ calls us to. What is your story Robert, are you secretly struggling with homosexuality? Real men who are comfortable with themselves and with God don’t need to grandstand by attacking gays.

    GCMW: It doesnt matter if it was introduced on yesterday, sexual relationships between people of the same gender is a sin. Please dispense with all the boring red herrings. They add nothing to honest discovery.

  40. Leviticus 18:22You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination.

    What are we here – messianic jews?

  41. Brother Robert

    You wrote:

    Foolishness. Coming from you I take being called a zealot as a compliment, the Apostle Simon was called the Zealot.

    Yes but the point is not that you are a zealot, which you admit, but that you are regligous. Brother, Jesus railed against the religious mindset. You MUST have a relationship with Him. You are deceived if you think that rigidly applying scriptures and old testament laws will get you into heaven.

    (to be continued)

  42. I know that you feel you need to be ministering to Homosexuals, but I just feel that God is working by His Spirit to stop you in your tracks and cause you to think about who you are serving – your own preference and prejudices or Him.

    It is written:

    God is love. Whoever lives in God lives in Love, and God in Him.

    and

    He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

  43. amos said:

    “… nor those who participate in homosexuality,”

    The word homosexuality was first introduced into bible translations in 1946. The greek word arkensoidal is actually not properly translated as such. Scriptures like the ones you quote deal with idolatry and pagan worship rituals.

    Wrong your Greek is way off where are you getting this translation from?. Lets break down the words used to describe the sin of homosexuality in 1Cor 9-11.

    malakoi: means soft ones in Greek a specific meaning for a man taking the submisssive role in a homosexual relationship.

    arsenokoitai: translates in Hebrew as “Sodomite” as in a homosexual if we are looking back to OT. This word breaks down into two words arsen meaning “male” and koitai means “bed” a clear reference to men who sleep with other men. According to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon “One who lies with a male as with female.”
    Pretty clear to me so let’s see your research….

  44. Amos said: You are deceived if you think that rigidly applying scriptures and old testament laws will get you into heaven.

    1 John 3:8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

    1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

    Romans 1:32Though they are fully aware of God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve to die, they not only do them themselves but approve and applaud others who practice them.

    You can keep spewing the same old lies but now you are fully aware of your sinful rebellion against God.

  45. amos said:

    I know that you feel you need to be ministering to Homosexuals, but I just feel that God is working by His Spirit to stop you in your tracks and cause you to think about who you are serving – your own preference and prejudices or Him.

    If your a homosexual you are still a fornicator. The Biblical definition of Fornication is any sex between two people outside of marriage. So you are actually guilty of 2 specific sins unless you can refute otherwise with Biblical evidence.

  46. amos:
    What is your story Robert, are you secretly struggling with homosexuality? Real men who are comfortable with themselves and with God don’t need to grandstand by attacking gays.

    This is a typical ridiculous attack used by homosexuals to silence opposition, that I somehow am struggling with homosexuality in secret because I shined the Light of the Word upon sinful acts. I also called out murderers, thieves, and sorcery mind you. Oh how the tricks of the enemy stay the same. (Matthew 11:19″The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is vindicated by her deeds.”) How does a homosexual know what a real man is when they themselves no longer reflect the Image of God? Yeah they rebel against the Image of God because satan is homosexual by nature because homosexuality is anti-creation and satan gets credit for it.

  47. In the discussion above, some quoted Gal 5:28. There is an error in the translation from the Greek in most translations. It should read “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male AND female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus”. It is male AND (Gk kai) female, not male nor female. That is important.

    How about you get down a good Greek lexicon and check it out.

    In Him
    David – Retired Baptist Pastor.

  48. David, in regards to this translation that you speak of in Galatians, when read, “male AND female”, what is it that you believe this specific (or correct) translation implies?

    Thanks,

    Angela

  49. Lafe, I think you have Robert in the wrong category unless there are two Roberts talking. The Amos and Robert Im reading are not on the same side of the issue.

    If you feel they are show an example.

  50. Did Lafe accuse somebody of shaking their gay booty in God’s face? Lol…

    DL,
    I know that you often delete my posts but hear me out on this one. we may not agree on most things but you have to admit that Lafe is a strange bird. there is no way that this person could have been in a relationship with Christ and yet type the things that they type…

    I’m just saying……

  51. behold, I dont think so. He may have gotten confused with all the back and forth between Robert and Amos.

    Thats a different than intentionally misleading people. I will see if it is indeed a mistake.

    Thank you for being so observant to other’s errors. Keep that up and your posts wont get deleted so often.

  52. I was tired last night and didn’t get to bold as accurately as possible. I am not with Amos on the homosexual issue. I don’t desire that any practicing sinner (homosexual, murderer, adulterer, thief) die in their sin.

  53. The fact that you use the word “retired” in your screen name speaks volumes, David.

    Now please answer my question when you have a free moment.
    You seem to be on a typing rampage.

    Thank you.

  54. Dear David – Retired Baptist Pastor,

    We dont do agendas here. Your tying rampage will only result in your posts being deleted. Its called in practical terms banging your head against a brick wall. Your option: calm down and answer what is asked of you without the bottomless gay christian propaganda.

    Sincerely, GCMW

  55. I am 63 years and retired. The “volumes” that it says is just that. I am retired. Nothing more. I was never sacked.

    People who hold up plackards quoting Gen 1:27 “Male and female he created them” need to also quote on the same plackard Gal 3:28 “For there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male AND female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus”.

    No comment needed. Just quote those two verses side by side.

    No personal attacks thanks. Stick to the facts. A sure sign of your spiritual maturity is how like Jesus you are.

    David – Retired Baptist Pastor

  56. David, based on your knowledge – on your implied knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations – what is the correct interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:9?
    Please educate me on this, because if what you know is correct and I am indeed incorrect in my understanding, then by all means share your knowledge and pull me out of this spirit of error.

    Again, according to your knowledge – your implied knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations – what is the correct interpretation of 1 Timothy 1:10?
    Please inform me of the correct way of interpreting Scripture, so that I have true knowledge of God’s Word.

    According to your knowledge – your implied knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations – what is the correct interpretation of Romans 1:26?
    Please tell me, so that I walk in truth, and not a lie.

    According to your knowledge – your implied knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations – what is the correct way of interpreting Matthew 5:17? I need to understand, so that I can really understand what the LORD says.

    According to your knowledge – your deep knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations – how should I interpret Jude 1: 7-8? I need to know this, so I won’t handle the Word of God falsely.

    According to your knowledge – your breadth of knowledge in the original Hebrew and Greek translations – what are the abominations – all of them – that the author of Ezekiel is referring to in ch. 16, verses 46-50?

    According to your knowledge, Retired Pastor, how should one who has no knowledge of the original Hebrew and Greek translations interpret Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13?
    We need to know, so that when the Lord questions us on the Day of Judgement as to why we incorrectly opposed this scripture, we can sheepishly say that we didn’t have access to the original Hebrew and Greek translations.

    So please, in all seriousness, educate us who mistakenly thought that even the simple-minded can understand the Word of God.

    Thanks,

    Angela

  57. I’m not attacking you, David. I don’t attack, because I don’t like to be attacked.

    I just want you to educate me in regards to the original languages of the Bible, especially if it’s going to help me in rightly dividing the Word of truth.

    That’s all I want to do.

  58. My spiritual maturity is how much I am like Christ?

    You are partially correct. But what you have conveniently left out is how one’s knowledge of God’s Word, when applied in one’s life, is indicative of spiritual maturity.

    The two go hand in hand.

    Correct me if I’m wrong.

  59. Angela, its clear to see why David is a retired Baptist Pastor shilling for the gcm now. He seems quite incapable of handling a balanced discussion. I hope he doesnt represent the best and brightest shillers the gcm is fielding these days. Hopefully, he will take my suggestion to heart and try again to answer and engage without all the discredited (and frankly boring) gcm hype that we have answered in depth on this site many, many times before.

  60. Angela I will answer these singly.

    1 Cor 6:9 is referring to “Malakoi” effeminates as in AV. Many are effiminate and are not homosexual.

    “arsenokoitai” means “male prostitute”. If it were homosexual, the Greek would be arrenomanes. Homosexuality is not mentioned.

    1 Tim 1:10 arsenokoitai again means male prostitute. We do NOT get “arseic” from “arsen”.

    I have a very serious reason for these posts which I will come to shortly.

    David – Retired Baptist Pastor

  61. Pastor Foster, I’m just scratching my head, because, if a lack of access to the original Hebrew and Greek translations will prevent a person who studies the word of God from truly understanding that it’s ok to be gay, well then, I mean, what do we say to God then? Do we question Him as to why He allowed His Word to be written in such plain language?

    It reminds me of the Breyers ice cream commercial where it’s stressed that Breyers uses natural ingredients as opposed to those ingredients like monoxide and methylcellulose and all that.

    I mean, God has presented His Word like Breyers ice cream and people turn it into another brand, making the ingredients of His Word to be all complicated.
    It’s puzzling.

    But since you’ve already addressed his arguments on this site, I don’t need to respond to it anymore.

    Thanks

  62. Rom 1:26 only applies when a person has known the Lord, rejected Him, worshipped idols. “Therefore”, “Because of this” Then had a hetersosexual orientation, abandoned that to PRACTICE homosexuality. Most gays have never had a heterosexual orientation. How can Paul or anyone accuse them of abandoning something they have never had.

    ALL of those must apply before Rom 1:26 can apply to gays. Context is VITAL.

    David – Retired Baptist Pastor

  63. I wasn’t going to respond, but I want to respond to what you’ve written, David, in regards to Romans 1:26:

    “Rom 1:26 only applies when a person has known the Lord, rejected Him, worshipped idols. “Therefore”, “Because of this” Then had a hetersosexual orientation, abandoned that to PRACTICE homosexuality. Most gays have never had a heterosexual orientation. How can Paul or anyone accuse them of abandoning something they have never had.”

    If indeed God gave over heterosexual men to commit homosexual acts, and by giving them over God has rejected them, how do you address someone who is gay, yet claims to be a Christian, since God has rejected him (or her)?

  64. I wasn’t referring to you David, when I wrote “Pastor Foster”, I was referring to the moderator of this blog, gcmwatch.

  65. Yes, of course.

    The authors of modern, and even past, Biblical translations have intentionally constructed the literal words in the text so that I can spend my life bashing gay people.

    Yes, that sounds right.

    I’ve had enough.

  66. God hasn’t abandoned anyone – Praise Him!!!. John 3:16-17
    GCMW: No one here said he had.

    The “WHOEVER” applies to gays to. “God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”
    GCMW: That’s a half truth. The whole truth is what saves.

    Why is this so serious? I wrote a paper on What the Bible ACTUALLY Says About Homosexuality.” In the first month, 350 gays said they planned to commit suicide over this and decided against it. What if those had gone to a lost eternity without Christ? 7000 (90%) agreed with what I wrote. Many families have been reunited.

    GCMW: Its more important to agree with God’s word. Homosexuality is an abomination and God said not to engage in it. You havent saved anybody because they didnt committ suicide. Did they repent of their sins and commit to following Christ? If not, what is living when your life is in rebellion to Christ?

    It is ABSOLUTELY VITAL we do not LIE from scripture to gay bash. Gays are committing suicide at SIX TIMES more than the national average because we do LIE. It has GOT TO STOP.

    GCMW: Gays are not committing suicide at at 6x rate than the national average. Present some proof. Until you do, no more posting here. If you dont, then we know youre lying to emotionally manipulate people.

  67. Angela, this another one of those nonsensical ideologies the gcm use to pollute honest discussion about homosexuality. Jesus said in Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor;

    So if he was anointed to preach the gospel to the poor, why is that you have to have degrees, theological depth, mastery of ancient greek and hebrew languages, personally seen the dead sea scrolls, taken a pilgrimage to the holy land, etc, etc in order to understand Levitcus 18:22? ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. What is so mysterious about that?

    As you said, if you are poor and dont have access to all the educational depth (so they say) to understand this, then the poor are up a creek without a paddle and Jesus is a liar.

    But we know who the liars are. They sound more like the Pharisees who put all these requirements upon the people and made the word of God of none effect.
    That’s why these types of exercises with people like David are boring. I get tired of these liars, lying on God, lying to people and lying to make sin look acceptable. Enough!

    David should take some time and read. Use the site search and then go somewhere and repent for allowing satan to use him to lie on God.

  68. “So if he was anointed to preach the gospel to the poor, why is that you have to have degrees, theological depth, mastery of ancient greek and hebrew languages, personally seen the dead sea scrolls, taken a pilgrimage to the holy land, etc, etc in order to understand Levitcus 18:22? ‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. What is so mysterious about that?”

    Pastor Foster, exactly. The Spirit of God leads us into all truth, not a handling of the dead sea scrolls.

    When a person is genuinely seeking to know God, when he’s truly desiring to understand His Word – without an agenda – He makes His Word known to him.
    The issue with those who are gay and their supporters is that they approach the Word of God seeking to rationalize and then justify the sin. When you do that, it becomes almost effortless to misinterpret Scripture. What makes it easy and rather sophisticated is that they use the original languages to manipulate the text. How clever indeed, because, when one comes along claiming that, “…according to the original manuscripts…”, who will contend with that, knowing that the the authors of Scripture are closer in proximity to the original manuscripts than to the the Bible today?

    It is a clever manipulation I see being used more and more.

  69. Yeah, they got this from the godfather of gay christian lies John Boswell. Read here and here and you will get a good grasp of where this is coming from.

  70. John Boswell is where all the gays get the “hospitality” argument when discussing Sodom and Gomorrah. You learn something new every day and you enjoy reading the comments, nicely done GCMWatch and Angela.

    Exodus 15:3
    The Lord is a Warrior
    Yahweh is His Name.

  71. David,

    Come on now, you can’t be serious. Belief without repentance is like Kool Aid without sugar. LOL!

    The Devil believes in Christ. Is He saved?

    Muslims believe in Christ. Are they saved?

    Gays and Lesbians want God to accept their lifestyle plain and simple. When you “really” get saved your life is filled with conviction by the Holy Spirit. Your sin nature methodically begins to disappear. Over the course of your life you can look back and see the changes in your nature and how God has slowly changed a filthy reprobate mind into a mind which is clean and focused on spiritual matters. BTW, this doesn’t happen overnight.

    The GCM on the other hand merely wants the lovey dovey feeling of Christ accepting their homosexuality. Love is preached like some feel good emotion as if love is nothing more.

    My friend, salvation is FROM sin not the acceptance of it. If the path of the saved is “narrow” this implies that the Christian walk will be difficult in a sinful world which prides itself on iniquity.

    So does God save all kinds of filthy sinners? Of course! So now the question for you David is “what” did Christ save you from?

    Kyle

  72. GCMW,

    Obviously, you either don’t know or don’t care what Tony Campolo stands. If you knew, you’d see that he does not defend homosexual behavior, as a matter of fact, he affirmed it’s a sin in this video. What he does talk about is that Christians need to show love and grace to gay and lesbian people, just like Jesus did to all of us. Consider this, Jesus showed love and grace to a woman who was about to be stoned for adultery, so why can’t you show love and grace to homosexuals?

  73. sam so your contention is that:
    1. The person speaking in the video is NOT Tony Campolo?
    2. He was only saying what others were saying, but he himself is opposed to homosexuality?

    Based on the video above, these are your conclusions?

    Good point but you do err in your application. Jesus showed
    1. grace – neither do I condemn you (she received a pardon she didnt deserve)
    2. judgment – go and sin no more (he called her behaviour sinful and admonished her not to do it again

    The law was correct, she deserved to be stoned because she committed sin which required it. Jesus never said the law was wrong, he simply allowed her an escape from the punishment.

    Correlation:

    Homosexuality is a sin which those who engage in get grace they do not deserve instead of stoning they do deserve.

    Jesus says the same thing, in plain language: “Go and do not commit homosexual acts again.”

    So when can I expect you to tell gay and lesbians to “go and sin no more”?

  74. I just watched that video fully and that is simply brutal….such deeply flawed thinking from Tony….and moral relativism…

    And how the heck does he know that are Churches do not welcome gay people?? We welcome anyone…but we tell it like the Bible says…you have to repent of homesexual or adulterous behavior..all sin is wrong…

    And HOW dare he say that Jesus never talked directly about homosexuality…HE Wrote the Bible through men…..Jesus is God…duhhh……

    And Tony speaks of the young..of course they are slipping with all the propaganda from the media, education and hollyweird…these are the end times…people are falling away…again…duhhhh..like the error’s of the young people somehow alleviate the wrongness of homosexaulity..

    Tony is travelling a dangerous slippery slope of moral relativism….its as though the devil is whispering in his ear and he is buying it…

    This is tragic…Tony wrote some good books in the past and has had some great sermons…and now , like Ray Boltz, Mel White, Jay Bakker…et al..he is falling away.

    How horrific!

  75. I know that the person in the video is Tony Campolo. I also know that he never said that homosexual sex is okay.

    As far as the question when to say to gay and lesbian people that gay sex is a sin; it really depends on a situation. Everybody is different. I think it should be said after getting to know individual gay people as persons.

  76. Tony Campolo is saying that we should be friends with gays and lesbians, and what is wrong with that? Just because I’m friends with gays and lesbians, it does not mean that I condone homosexual behavior.

    GCMW: I watched the video and I didnt hear him say that. Can you supply a direct quote? Secondly, let’s see if this works: “just because Im friends with racists doesnt mean I condone racism.”

  77. Well I have tried to post twice to this site. I am not seeing my posts so perhaps there is some technical difficulty. So I’ll try something even shorter…

    I will echo what Sam said.. Tony Campolo does not approve of same sex erotic activity. That’s practically a direct quote from one of his talks. The gay community is well aware that he does not approve of gay marriage. So your accusations are false. You might try looking up what the bible says about false accusations. Lying lips are also an abomination to God…
    (Prov 12:22 KJV) Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight.

    Dave

    GCMW: Before you start condemning people for “lying”, please remember we are discussing what is contained in the video. Also, you might want to check the comment policy.

  78. sam said:

    Tony Campolo is saying that we should be friends with gays and lesbians, and what is wrong with that? Just because I’m friends with gays and lesbians, it does not mean that I condone homosexual behavior.

    2 Corinthians 6:14-15

    14Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers [do not make mismated alliances with them or come under a different yoke with them, inconsistent with your faith]. For what partnership have right living and right standing with God with iniquity and lawlessness? Or how can light have fellowship with darkness?

    15What harmony can there be between Christ and Belial [the devil]? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

  79. So sam did Jesus “get to know” the adulterous woman before he told her to go and sin no more? I mean did he have a cup of coffee with her, go out to a bar and hang out with her at the market so he could see if she was a cool person, then he told her not to sin anymore. So the requirement is that you have to “know” a homosexual person before you tell them their lifestyle is wrong? And how long should we know them, considering tomorrow isnt promised to any man? Is that what you and TC are reccomending? What should we “know” about them? That they pay taxes and live in a two bedroom home? That they drive a bmw and attend the local MCC church? After finding out all that, then is it okay to tell them that homosexuality is a sin?

  80. Tony Campolo have not said that people should be friends with gays and lesbians in this video specifically. However, this is something he had said in numerous of his public speeches, something that I’ve personally seen. In this particular video, he said that Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 do in fact prohibited homosexual behavior, and he in fact believed it was wrong.

    He was criticizing Christian churches, and I’m not implying that all Christians churches do that, that tell gay and lesbian people as soon as they meet them that they will burn in hell, without getting to know them how they’ve embraced homosexual identity, and I echo his criticism. My interpretation is that Tony was saying that today, Christian churches are telling gay and lesbian people: “I condemn you, go and sin no more!” This is the wrong way to bring people to Jesus.

    As far as Jesus and the adulterous woman: Jesus who is God, already knew why the woman was committing adultery, but since we are sinful human beings, we don’t know what has caused each individual person to commit sinful acts. That’s why we are different. In order to answer your questions about the effective ways of reaching to gay and lesbian people, I recommend to read a book written by Mike Haley “101 questions about homosexuality.” Mike Haley has been practicing homosexuality for 10 years of his life, now he’s done with it, and works for Focus on the Family.

    Also I’d like to recite something from Romans 12:

    9Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. 10Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. 11Never be lacking in zeal, but keep your spiritual fervor, serving the Lord. 12Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer. 13Share with God’s people who are in need. Practice hospitality.
    14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn. 16Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position.[c] Do not be conceited.

    17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[d]says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
    “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
    In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”[e] 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Romans 14:

    1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man’s faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

  81. Ok I get it now, we’re supposed to follow Mike Haley’s book on this. And Tony Campolo’s still uncited video and speeches.

    But in case those dont work, we should try Romans 14. So unrepentant homosexual acts are being “weak in faith”?

    Really, where is this going?

  82. And here is a comment by Tony Campolo:

    ““There is a feminine side of God. I always knew this … It is this feminine side of God I find in Jesus that makes me want to sing duets with Him … Not only do I love the feminine in Jesus, but the more I know Jesus, the more I realize that Jesus loves the feminine in me. Until I accept the feminine in my humanness, there will be a part of me that cannot receive the Lord’s love. … There is that feminine side of me that must be recovered and strengthened if I am to be like Christ … And until I feel the feminine in Jesus, there is a part of Him which I cannot identify.”

    -Tony Campolo
    “Carpe Diem: Seize the Day”, 1994, pages 85-88

    A little off topic, but I post it because based on this comment and several others that he’s made, I take evrything that he says with a grain of salt.

  83. And with that, I’m finished discussing Mr. Campolo.

    Pastor Foster, I look forward to more stories and articles you post on your blog.

    🙂

  84. And here is a comment by Tony Campolo:

    ““There is a feminine side of God. I always knew this … It is this feminine side of God I find in Jesus that makes me want to sing duets with Him … Not only do I love the feminine in Jesus, but the more I know Jesus, the more I realize that Jesus loves the feminine in me. Until I accept the feminine in my humanness, there will be a part of me that cannot receive the Lord’s love. … There is that feminine side of me that must be recovered and strengthened if I am to be like Christ … And until I feel the feminine in Jesus, there is a part of Him which I cannot identify.”

    If that isn’t a perfect example of filtering the Bible through a perverted homosexual mind I don’t know what is.

  85. How does he square such a statement with scripture? That there is a “feminine side” to Jesus?
    I know man and woman have simularities, but also very distinct God-given differences that should not be blurred. And do you really need to get in touch with a “feminine” Jesus to obey and serve him?

    PS: Robert, please cite where this quote originated.

  86. Im probally really late on this..but just read thru the discussion..

    A couple of quick points.

    The Greek word for men who had sex with men was the word “passiderette” (there are multiple spellings of the word), but it is the only Greek word used to desribe adult male to male sexual activity. And the word was never used by Paul or any of the writers of the Bible.

    Malakio (also spelled in a number of ways) used by Paul in 1 Cor 6:9 has NO historical connection to “effeminate or girly men or men who have sex with men)…the word was first introduced in the Bible when Jesus used the SAME word when he referred to the type of soft, silky, delicate clothing the rich or Kinds wore..when the poor wore “wool”. Jesus later said it would be hard for a rich man to enter into heaven. Jesus never said anything about men who fall in love with other men.

    Every bible has a different intrepretation of the word “Malakio”; but its all speculation and any theolgian would tell you this. Some believe that Paul was referring to the very common sexual, dominatrix like relationship that exist between young boys and older men; catamites being the term…

    Yet other theolgians believe “Paul was referring to “weakness” in general..people who lacked “faith” or the “will” to please God or to “fight the good faith”; people who were easily swayed into every thought or religious diety of the day..this was very common in Paul’s era..people’s minds were weak and easily misdirected due to lack of knowledge/education and combined with “fear”.

    The word “arsenkoites”; does literally come from the word “man” and “couch or bed”; but does not have any “sexually” roots. Its a compound word, never used before Paul..so there is no reference. Possible slang; that could have multiple meanings..some relate it to “male prostitution”, “temple sex”, “sodomy as in rape”, etc.

    However, many concordance such as Strong’s and other Greek-English dictionaries etc..do suggest the word “arsenkiotes” refer to men who have sex with men but these research teams/scholars are getting their reference primarily from a non-christian source…a greek playwright who used the word “arsenkoites” many decades after Paul used the word, when he used the word to refer to “men who had sex with other men”; but the playwright himself was gay and a non-christian…and somehow “this playwright” is the decider on what Apostle Paul meant; when there is a clear word in Greek..not slang..but a clear word that defines homomsexuality..and Paul never used that word..but a slang word..that many struggle to know exactly what he meant.

    Study people..research…don’t believe everything you read.half of what you hear….study…pray..seek God…..

  87. MAW, would you mind citing your [study] source for the words you define here or if you defined them yourself, please make that known.

  88. And ..also..as far as my reference to Strong’s Concordance as far as the history of the word “arsenkiotes” and how translator interpret the word to mean homosexual by using the definition of the word used by a greek playwright..the source is simple..STRONG’s CONCORDANCE..

  89. To Robert:

    You said:
    arsenokoitai: translates in Hebrew as “Sodomite” as in a homosexual if we are looking back to OT. This word breaks down into two words arsen meaning “male” and koitai means “bed” a clear reference to men who sleep with other men.

    Your logic is all wrong…First of all..we are not looking back into the OT, Paul wrote the Corinthian in the NT. Secondly, yes the words break down to mean “male or men” and “bed or couch”…but how that is CLEAR reference to men who sleep with other men?..Just because Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon states “One who lies with a male as with female.”

    If that is the case what do you and Thayer say to this; if your logic is because the word means “man” and “bed” and that means “men who have sex with men as with women” then what did Jesus mean in this scripture:

    St. Luke 17:34…”I tell you, in that night there shall be TWO MEN in one BED; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

    So there u go..MEN’s , BED…so according to your logic men + bed = sex…then according to you..these TWO men Jesus spoke of in his parable were in 1 BED..at night..apparently according to you and Thayer..these men must of been having sex….right?

    The truth is; these two men could have been lovers..could have been strangers..who knows..but why did Jesus use the example of two men and not two brothers..or two cousins..or two females..or one man and one woman..why were they in 1 bed..at night..and the scripture doesn’t say they were sleeping..you can’t take away from the scriptures and you can’t add….thus you’re left with speculation..and that is all Thayer or any other group or theologian or scholar is doing..”speculating to the best of their ability”….

    You must pray and seek God for the answers..not man!

  90. Source from above post.
    -Tony Campolo
    “Carpe Diem: Seize the Day”, 1994, pages 85-88

    Will do Pastor Foster.

  91. Will do Pastor Foster.
    Source from above post.
    -Tony Campolo
    “Carpe Diem: Seize the Day”, 1994, pages 85-88

  92. Your logic is all wrong…First of all..we are not looking back into the OT, Paul wrote the Corinthian in the NT. Secondly, yes the words break down to mean “male or men” and “bed or couch”…but how that is CLEAR reference to men who sleep with other men?..Just because Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon states “One who lies with a male as with female.”

    I was choosing a parallel to the word “arsenokoitai” that is “Sodomite” which doesn’t leave gay affirms anti-Christ doctrine like yours much room to manipulate the Word of God. Jesus Destroyed Sodom because of their homosexuality.

    If that is the case what do you and Thayer say to this; if your logic is because the word means “man” and “bed” and that means “men who have sex with men as with women” then what did Jesus mean in this scripture:

    St. Luke 17:34…”I tell you, in that night there shall be TWO MEN in one BED; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.”

    So there u go..MEN’s , BED…so according to your logic men + bed = sex…then according to you..these TWO men Jesus spoke of in his parable were in 1 BED..at night..apparently according to you and Thayer..these men must of been having sex….right?

    Notice this is a typical homosexual tactic to attempt a pigeon hole by using one Scripture out of context. This parable is about the return of Jesus not an acceptance or focus of a sinful behavior. Matter of fact Luke 17:29 Christ refers to when he destroyed Sodom (sin of homosexuality)do we just skip over that? There is no need to dip into Greek or Hebrew, the English version is very clear Christ condemns the act of homosexuality.

    The truth is; these two men could have been lovers..could have been strangers..who knows..but why did Jesus use the example of two men and not two brothers..or two cousins..or two females..or one man and one woman..why were they in 1 bed..at night..and the scripture doesn’t say they were sleeping..you can’t take away from the scriptures and you can’t add….thus you’re left with speculation..and that is all Thayer or any other group or theologian or scholar is doing..”speculating to the best of their ability”….

    You must pray and seek God for the answers..not man!

    God doesn’t require prayer for things revealed in His Word. That’s like asking God if you can steal a car after your aware of Duet 5:19

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibc1.htm
    Go figure a gay affirming website.

  93. You don’t need prayer to study the bible??? Amazing!!!

    “Those that are led by the Spirit of God are Sons of God” (Romans 8:14)

    Dave

  94. MAW said: “Study people..research…don’t believe everything you read.half of what you hear….study…pray..seek God….”

    And when asked about your study sources, you list one which is as biased. That’s what you call “research and study”???

    Did you just copy and paste this?

  95. To Robert: If you study early Jewish culture, you will find out that people used the same bedding to sleep in, both men and women and children. Same sex sleeping together at that time in Jewish
    history was not unusual and it was not indicative of sexual activity or the condoning of homosexuality. It was about keeping warm!
    Your attempt to turn that Bible statement into an approval of
    homosexual conduct by Jesus is bizarre and terribly poor eisegesis.
    Talk about grasping for straws! There are many books you can reference to that will speak of Jewish customs and traditions including the eye of the needle/gathering into one’s bosom/
    binding and loosening/tithing/computing Jewish holidays and
    calendar events….etc.

  96. Dave said:

    You don’t need prayer to study the bible??? Amazing!!!

    Nobody has said that on this whole thread. Your reaching.

  97. Lafe said:

    Your attempt to turn that Bible statement into an approval of
    homosexual conduct by Jesus is bizarre and terribly poor eisegesis.

    Go read my response to MAW again for clarification. Thank you ;^)

  98. Robert said:
    Dave said:

    You don’t need prayer to study the bible??? Amazing!!!

    Nobody has said that on this whole thread. Your reaching.

    My response.. Yes they have .. see post on Feb 18 @1:34AM

    Dave

  99. Robert said this:

    I was choosing a parallel to the word “arsenokoitai” that is “Sodomite” which doesn’t leave gay affirms anti-Christ doctrine like yours much room to manipulate the Word of God. Jesus Destroyed Sodom because of their homosexuality.

    My response..

    Wrong, wrong , wrong..Ezk. 16:48-55..same gender loving couples not one of the reasons..according to Ezk…ill take his word over your interpretation…

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