Brian Carn sees "perversion" in a vision

Joel 2:28 says “And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions.”
So is a Jacksonville based preacher fulfilling the scripture or manipulating the obvious?

Nineteen year old (by some accounts) Prophet Brian Carn has been both controversial and celebrated in most of the black pentecostal church circles where, since 2006, he’s been a rising circuit preacher. Controversial because his “origins” seem somewhat obscured and celebrated because his meetings draw large crowds…and large offerings.

On sexual issues, we haven’t had occasion to write on him although there has been plenty of debate on the internet regarding whether he was truly a prophet sent from God or just another manipulative church hustler. Carn has spoken about homosexuality before, but only to the extent of calling it a sin.

Lest some accuse of speaking negative of the “prophet”, please be aware that every prophet who claims to speak for God must be tried. The test of a true prophet does not lie in the working of miracles, the intensity of their voice or the number of people they attract. Revelation aside, it lies in the content of their words, whether they are founded in scripture or not. 1 John 4:1 forms the basis of our examination. Until proven otherwise, let us assume Prophet Brian Carn is a true prophet.

I do have a problem with his statement at 2:24-2:45.

In this four and a half minute video clip released by Carn’s new youtube channel TrueProphetic, he recounts how God showed him a vision with a well known preacher who was smoking and holding company (at home) with two “homosexual guys”. Later, Carn says he witnessed the man preaching and people being “delivered”. The problem with all of this is that Carn says God had told him that the man’s “anointing” had been removed, thus what was passing as the presence of God, was in reality just gifting.

The obvious question has first to do with Carn, the second not so obvious question has to do with the message he’s presenting. Is it true? Truth? Biblically sound? Does God have to show you (a prophet) a “vision” in order to know that we are knee-deep in an apostate age with sexual immorality cresting among leadership? Or was that to reinforce to the people his “prophetic anointing”?

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103 thoughts on “Brian Carn sees "perversion" in a vision

  1. In my view, I am not sure any of these so called “wonders” are true prophets. To me most of them are fake, because they are driven by money and popularity and not holiness. I have yet to hear jakes, osteen, bryant, hickey, warren, etc preach and tell people about holiness and living right. The sermons we get now are all about what you can have and what you are going to get. My bible tells me, if i seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness(holiness) then all these other things will be added…Prophet Carn…i don’t know…i have researched him and i still have yet to know where he goes to church/who is his covering. He preched at the COGIC convention youth on fire service and outwardly he did a good job. But, he rubs elbows with bryant and hinn…in which i believe are false prophets(watch 20/20 show and they exposed hinn big time)bryan cheated on his wife and preached about it and justified his acts and his church stood and applauded…What a shame!!! What do you think Pastor DL, I just don’t know…To be honest, you cannot trust anyone these days but God and your own pastor whom you see everyday and know for yourself they are living right. Carn prophesies, but i rarely hear him speak about holiness and living right. We need less prophets who will tell us what we are going to get, and more preachers who will tell us Chron 7:14, and Hebrews 12:14!!!

  2. i dont have too much confidence in any vision Mr. Carn has after seeing that video of him at Jamal Bryants church, reading info off of a womans check and “prophesying” that info to her….as far as the video goes, there is no anointing outside of the Holy, how can anybody do any “delivering” if the Holy Spirit has been removed from them?..

  3. The spirit of this young man seems to be that of brokeness and sincerity. There is no contradiciton of scripture as I understand what he is saying. Powerful in my opinion. Thanks for keeping the Church informed.

  4. and…LOL…sorry but i have to say this Pastor DL, when you go on his website, its very worldly. His legs are open and the title, Bryan Carn, unleashed, preferred seating $20. Am I going to a church/worship service or a basketball game or a wrestling match. You pay extra to be entertained and to see. This is ridiculous. That’s why more and more i am started to really think Carn is false. Paying to hear the gospel. God is not happy with this. We have gotten to market happy. Notice on his site…registration is required. Hmmmmm, Pastor DL, you are great man. I don’t care what nobody say. sometimes i may not agree with little stuff, but that happens, but 99.999% of what you say and post on here is on point. Keep it up. I will continue to give to my local assembly where i know the money is going and i know the man of God is living right!!! Cry aloud and spare not…

  5. If you look at his website, it is very worldly. His legs are open and you have to “register” for his conference. Why should i have to register to attend a church service. Look more closely at his website and registration is required. Hmmmm. Sounds fishy to me. More of the same stuff. Money, money, money. His website sounds more like i am attending a wrestling match or basketball game…preferred seating, WOW!!! More of a joke and fake.

  6. Mike thank you. From a video we can only make assumptions about one’s intent. That’s why its more important to judge righteously based on what is said against what is contained in scripture.

    On the anointing being removed from the man (per the vision). In one instance, I would agree. Samson could be seen as an example of one whom the “anointing” was removed, yet he continued on as before. In another instance, I would disagree. If the true definition and ability of the “anointing” is to “destroy the yokes” (Is 10:27) how does a person with no anointing, appropriate it for someone else? In other words, you cannot give what you don’t have. Thus, if the man in the vision had no anointing, there is no possibility people were being delivered through him.

    The concept of being “fired but still on the job” causes me to have to look a little deeper.

    The truth is that there are many homosexual ministers (well known) who are yet operating in public as if all is well with them. They should know that God IS looking AND showing their behind the scenes activities to someone. He’s done it before:

    And he [the Lord God] brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall. Then he said to me, Son of man, dig now in the wall; and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door. And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here. So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts and all the idols of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL (my caps), portrayed upon the wall round about. Then he said to me Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Turn thee yet again and thou shalt see great abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord’s house and, behold at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshiped the sun toward the east. (Ezekiel 8:7-10,15,16)

    I think perhaps in regards to that, Carn’s well known man becomes more symbolic of that phenomena. But, does it take a vision to know that???

  7. As we all know sometimes, there are more true than false, the scripture is clear, “if satan parades around like an angel of light, then don’t be surprised by his ministers doing so.” Thats not to say I’m calling the young man a false prophet, but however as one of the commentary’s said, there is no annointing without the Holy Spirit, I’m reminded by Him saying, “I am the Vine and you are the branches, and without me you can do nothing.” And since the “age of grace” is not over and the Church hasn’t been raptured (If you believe in the rapture theory) then the Holy Spirit is still among us and we who are believers are the agents which He works through, “I will not leave you nor forsake, I will be w/you even until the end of the age” of course this applies to only those who have “accepted” and “believe.” It could be a case for which the young man, got ahead of himself, it happens to even the most seasoned believers’, I’m again reminded by scripture, the Prophet Samuel, getting ready to annoint the eldest son of Jesse (getting caught up in the moment) but God cautions him, and tells him, “do not look upon his size nor age, for I have refused him. For the LORD sees not as man sees, for man looks on the outward appearance, (getting caught up w/emotions, and seeing/hearing what you want to) but the LORD looks on the heart.”
    Once again I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but again I’m reminded, “Study to show thyself approved, a workman unto Jesus Christ, rightly “DIVIDING” the word of truth.”

  8. Would this scripture make sense of what he is saying?

    Matthew 7:22-24 (King James Version)

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Dont really know how to say it but I didnt like how he talked about his gift and how he could use it to get money but he is concerned about the inner man. What did that have to do with the vision? and it seemed as if he kinda exhalted himself to how caring and genuine he is. Maybe I am wrong but I didnt see the need for that.

    Also, why would God be giving him information about people’s bank accounts and addresses? Is that what the prophetic is all about and then he can if he chooses to abuse it to get rich?

  9. Thanks for posting the video. That was interesting to watch.

    As for the vision that he claimed he had, I don’t know whether to believe it or not. I guess my doubt can be traced back to the question that still gets asked in the Church: “Does God still give His people visions?” I don’t want to digress from the content in the video, so I won’t get into that. But as far as Carn’s claim to have had one, I teter on the fence of whether to believe it or reject it, because what I’ve seen and heard raises a couple of questions.

    Is it really necessary for God to show someone a “vision” so that the person becomes aware that there’s perversion in another believer’s life (or the Church in general)? Can’t we just look in the Word of God to find out how we determine if somone is living in perversion? Galatians 5:22-23 being an excellent example.
    So I agree with you there, Pastor Foster.
    But perhaps I can look at it from another perspective.
    There are people within the Church – especially those in leadership positions – who outwardly appear to be living a holy life, but in seceret they are not. In cases like that, wouldn’t it be difficult to tell what’s happening behind closed doors? The secret sins aren’t made manifest to the public.
    But again, going back to the question of why does God have to give visions, for what purpose would God have in showing someone a “vision” of that particular person’s lifestyle?
    The only valid reason I can think of as to why God would do that is so that the person to whom the vision is revealed can intercede on behalf of the person who’s living in sin.
    Would someone agree with that?
    Now if that’s the case in this instance, why did Carn have to tell the people that he had this “vision”? Why not simply intercede on behalf of this well-known preacher so that if possible, the preacher’s heart would be turned towards repentance?
    Why the need to share your “vision”?

    My belief is that “prophets” make such statements so that they reinforce to the people their “prophetic annointing”, just as you stated, Pastor. I think that the meat of their “ministry” is reinforcing the opinion of the masses that they’re indeed, prophets.
    Saying things like, “I know how much money is in your bank account” is rather manipulative. But many modern-day “prophets” do this a lot, I notice.

    You see how I put visions and prophet(s) in paranthesis a lot. That’s because I’ve been unsure for awhile now as to if there are still prophets in the Body of Christ today and if indeed people still receive visions. I’ve seen too many individuals stand in the pulpit claiming to speak for God and in reality they were not and they created havoc. I understand that you can’t judge a whole group by a few, but it made me question some things.
    But now’s not the time to get into that.

    As far as Carn is concerned, I know nothing about him. I’ve never heard him speak until now. I don’t think I’ve even heard his name until now. Is he part of COGIC? If he is, that explains it because I left that denomination a long time ago!

  10. I just finished watching a couple of Brian’s videos on youtube. I am kinda of divided on whether he is a true prophet of God. I am more concerned about how people live their lives when they aren’t preaching in the pulpit. I don’t know of anyone that knows his background outside of preaching. By their fruit you shall know them. Many of these false prophets are plagued with sins such as immorality, pride, and money (just to name a few).

    I do think it is powerful(if he is a true prophet) how he knows people’s names and addresses even before he calls them out? Could this be another spirit operating in Brian? Just curious to know what others think.

  11. To my beloved sister Angela, if I w/my finite knowledge be of some assistance. There are those who stand in the office of prophets today, but the difference between old and new testament prophets is this, the old did more “foretelling” and the new do more “forthtelling” and based off of my recognization of your “spiritual” discernment, I will not explain the definitions. The problem many times is that, due to the fact we who believe are “indwelt” by the Holy Spirit, and during the moments where He “fills” remember the word “filling” means more of for that moment and thus we make a prophetic “utterance” it doesn’t mean we set in the “office” of a prophet. Its like were all called to “evangelize”, but it doesn’t make us an “evangelist.” Hope I was of some small assistance.

  12. 1.) You have to pay to get into his conference to hear the Gospel.

    2.)Brian has his own T-Shirt with him on it for sale. Kind of reminds me of the Obama worship T-Shirts…..

    3.) Oh he mentioned the money and the bank accounts that’s another red flag right there.

  13. Angela, at risk of digressing too much from the subject at hand, allow me to just toss in one scripture that may address your question of “does God still give His people visions?”

    Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men SHALL SEE VISIONS, and your old men shall dream dreams.

    There is no question in my mind that God still gives visions today. Several years ago my own wife described to me a vision that God showed her, and there was not a shred of doubt in my mind or my spirit that it was from the Lord. I definitely believe that visions, dreams, and all the New Testament spiritual gifts can (and should) be manifested in today’s church.

  14. Angela,
    God is still showing people visions. Yesterday morning, God showed me a woman with a demonic face. I couldn’t get the picture out of my head for a while. I prayed and told the enemy, “The Lord rebuke you”, and waited for the answer from the Lord. The Lord sent peace, calmed my fear and spoke in me that I have angels all around me and no demon could hurt me, nor come near me to harm me. Relax. So I did. Later on that day, while walking to the store with my mom, a woman in my neighborhood came in my direction and she was out of her mind. On occasions she would be talking loud to herself, or doing crazy things and making crazed gestures. But this time she said hello, then came to hug me. I grabbed her and the Holy Spirit began to speak through me to God. My mom had her hand on my shoulder and was praying too. “Father break every curse on her life, give her back her mind. Send the angels to guard her Holy Spirit while you deliver her and teach her who Jesus is”. The whole time the woman was holding on to me tight, crying yes God. When the prayer was over, she said the angels gonna help me. I said yes. She said Jesus got me. I said yes. She said, ok then do it again. I told her it is already working. She said ok, and hugged my mom and I and kissed us both and said God bless you.
    Then on my return from the store did I remember that the woman with the demonic face was her. I blessed God that my mom and I were able to get out of the way so that the woman could see Jesus and get what only He could give her…deliverance. We did our job and came home. No offering, no crowds of people, no letters before or after our name. As a matter of fact, I don’t know the womans name, nor does she know mine. Just outside in the neighborhood, during the daylight, no suit on just regular clothes. No bible in my hand, but the power of the Holy Ghost in mom and I.
    So Angela yes God does show visions in order to deliver, heal and set free.

  15. Hi Tony, thank you for your comments.

    Everything regarding prophecy has me skeptical.
    I don’t despise the gift, I guess I despise the abuse of the gift.

    Have you read John Bevere’s book, “Thus Saith the Lord?”
    I read it a few years back and it confirmed much of what I thought, as well as informing me of new things.

    I mean, I believe in prophecy, it’s just so twisted and perverted by many that whenever I hear someone call themselves a “prophet”, or I hear someone call another a “prophet”, immediately I grow this invisible guard.
    I can’t tell you how many people I’ve heard call someone a prophet and claim how “annointed” he/she was, how “powerful” he/she was, yet I would sit there and listen to this “prophet” and think, “Are you serious?”
    And then you have so many people running to these people in the Church, begging and panting to “hear a word”; it’s a real turn-off.
    It’s like little kids running after an ice cream truck.

    Everything about the prophetic has me skeptical.

    Of all the offices, the prophetic is one of which I would not want. The responsibility that one has to proclaim the Word of God is serious, the accountability is great and for people to use it for their own gain sickens me. I’m not saying that Brian Carn does this; I’m just speaking about this because it brings up the whole prophecy question.

    I apologize for sounding hard and cold about it; perhaps God can soften my heart.
    It’s just that I saw so much foolishness it just did something to me, it turned me off.

  16. Thanks Tony. We have to understand there are two types of prophecy.

    1. Foretelling – predicting future events with a date attached.
    2. Forthtelling – reaffirming an already established truth.

    As you said, there was more foretelling in the OT than in the NT which would include much of what we hear today.

  17. Yeah. The preferred seated thingy got me as well. This dishonors the poor man, according to James 2:6. Verse 9 tells us that to show partiality—or enable the same by collecting the “Jacksons”—is a sin.

    1 John 4:1 ==> James 2. The Prophet Carn is committing a sin. But, he’s a prophet of God, so he should know the Scriptures, correct?

    I would shout, Wake up people!, but let’s face it, many just don’t want to be awakened. (“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,”—2 Timothy 4:3).

  18. Angela trust me when I tell you I felt the EXACT same way for much of my saved life. I was sick and disgusted at what passed for prophecy. Thats putting it mildly.

    That was June 1996 when the Lord brought me face to face with Prophet Aubrey Shines (now in Tampa). His prophecy to me was so direct, so pointed, so specific, so intuitive and plus he foretold something he couldnt have possibly known. It came to me at a time when I was so depressed spiritually I couldnt see 30 seconds into my future. Not only did Prophet Shine accurately prophesy to me, everything he said came to pass in the time he told me it would.

    Im not scared to call his name without glorifying him because God showed me that yes he still does have true prophets that will speak to his people.

  19. There are those that still think on the terms that godliness is gain. Is he now backing off of this premise? I know how much you have in your account?!?(Maybe not verbatim), but this is not a laughing matter to me in the least!

    Thanks for picking up on the obvious primarily speaking of perversion that’s going on. When did it stop in today’s economy of preachers? I’m sort of use to the kind that likes to pass out curses when you question what it is that they do. Real kingdom preachers wouldn’t mind.

    I hope that maybe this is the beginnings of the end of the sideshow, that I’ve been witness of from this man.

  20. Ellen, I don’t doubt what you experienced.
    I understand that God can reveal anything to anyone by any method He chooses, for whatever purpose He has. I get that. I think what it comes down to for me is the experiences that I’ve had, and how people’s “visions” have been used to manipulate and deceive people.
    I’ve seen enough of that for it to cause me to doubt, and unfortunately, leave a residue of bitterness.
    I’m definitely going to pray about it.

    Observer, I’m familiar with that scripture. I’ve heard a couple of pastors speak on that passage, and from some theologians’ point of view, that scripture pointed to the days of the early church. I don’t know about that view; I guess there’s debate about it, and there’s no need to discuss that here because we’ll be really going off topic! 🙂
    But like I addressed to Ellen, I know that God can reveal Himself how He wishes. I’ve just seen so many things that masqueraded as God, so any time I hear and see people claiming visions and words, I immediately become skeptical. Again, this is something that perhaps the Lord needs to address in my walk with Him.

    Thanks for your comments.

  21. You know dear friends the reason that some of us cannot receive the wonderful things that the Lord has bestowed upon us, as stated by beloved commentaters is obvious abuse, immaturity and the unlearned and when these (3) things are active it means no balance which without balance there is no maturity and without maturity there is no “LOVE.” Paul made a statement at the end of the 14th chap of 1st Cor., stating, “Do not forbid to prophesy or speak w/tongues, but let everything be done with decency and order.”

    But earlier we read him say, “prophesying will cease”, what he was meaning according to my understanding was this, why put so much energy into something that in the end, will come to and end of itself, he didn’t mean there was no more use for it, this is why he makes his famous statements in verses 9-12 of 1st Cor. There are some of us in the “BODY” that are called, “cessasionist” they believe gifts such as apostles, prophets, tongues, inter of tongues, and miracles are nolonger needed or required. How did a group like this come into being, well, because of “abuse”, “immaturity” and being “unlearned” from “WITHIN.”

    According to Isaiah, God says the false prophets have prospered because “WE” wanted it so, because when He sent His true ones, “WE” rejected them, because “WE” didn’t want to know and accept the “TRUTH” and that same spirit in us reasonates today. Pastor Foster forgive me for somewhat going off of the beaten path, but let us accept the wonderful gifts Christ has bestowed upon us, and not allow the immaturity and recklessness of others to keep us from being blessed by brothers and sisters w/these gifts, for remember what Paul emphasized, “we are all one body, w/one head which is Christ.”

  22. You must be in the spirit to understand what he is saying. I truly do and he is right, the preacher smoking, gay men in his company lets us know there are so many false prophets, thousands of years a go the man of God said there are many false prophets that number as grown. We must realize that there is only ONE PROPHET in these Last Days and that is the Spirit of Christ The Holy Ghost and he whom God as sent speaketh the words of God for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Watch and Pray and I say again Watch and Pray

  23. Friends in our attempts to encourage those who have certain issues w/certain gifts/giftings, let us remember not to discourage them (smile). But I will say this, do not allow the “abusers” of the gift/gifts to cause alienation from those who truly walk in the gift. For many times the very thing we have an issue w/God will send across our path to mature and grow us up. Its like a person praying for a Word from God, and then God sends the Word, but since it didn’t come in the package and or sound the way “WE” wanted it to, we reject it, and in our rejection God has taught and exposed our own hearts.

    Sounds alot like when the LOGOS came unto His own, His own knew Him not, because He was not dressed the way they wanted Him to be, when scripture clearly indicated the way He would come, “The Suffering Servant.”

  24. A true wolf in sheeps clothing!!! I must admit that I was very disturbed by watching this video, and equally disturbed by some of the posted comments that I read. This man is certainly NO prophet, rather he is operating under a spirit of DIVINATION!!! Just because a person knows information about what’s on your driving license for example before you have volunteered it, doesn’t make him a prophet. If this were the case every spirit medium, channeler and fortune-teller would be true prophets.

    I would sincerely encourage everyone on this site to listen to a message entitled “warning to a evil generation” by Carter Conlon,a pastor at Times Square Church! This message is so timely, I please urge the saints to diligently listen to this powerful and convicting message. This sermon is available on God bless you all brethren!

  25. My dear friends, there are no profits… i mean prophets in the church today. The oft cited proof text from Joel was fulfilled on the day of pentecost. (see acts 2:16-21)The bible clearly says that prophecies will end when that which is perfect has come. gods word (holy bible) is his complete revelation to man. It also says that if anyone adds a word to it, they shall be damned. The problem with us black folks is that we love to be “spiritual” and feel that god “is about to do something”. We need to trust god, study his word and then we can understand his plan for our lives. If you study prophest of old, the never came with vague, happy prophecies of “increase” “a new house” “a greater annointing” “god is about to turn it around in 3 days” “money comming” or any of the other usual mess. Intead what you heard was a word that is never uttered in churches today because it makes us feel uncomfortable. that word is “REPENT”! remember that? God is not happy with the mess that is going on in churches today, but listening to these so called prophets today, you would think things are just peachy keen!

  26. I must echo the words of Tony Davis: “abuse, immaturity, and unlearned”. Right on point! The scriptures are VERY CLEAR on the office of a prophet: 1 Cor.12:28 “And in the church God has appointed first of all apostles, second PROPHETS, third teachers, then workers of miracles, also those having gifts of healing, those able to help others, those with gifts of administration, and those speaking in different kinds of tongues.”

    I myself have prophesied and have been given prophesies. THANK GOD FOR TRUE PROPHETS! The TRUE prophetic gifting does NOT discern a man’s desires and then proceed to “thus, saith the Lord…God is going to give you a million dollar business!” True prophetic anointing is there to EXORT, EDIFY, and COMFORT. (1Cr 14:3 “But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, exhortation, and comfort.”)

    ANGELA..I feel ya, but sis YOU CAN’T BASE THE WORD OF GOD OFF YOUR EXPERIENCE. I can relate==> Based on my previous church experience, I began to question my own prophetic gifting. Most of my prophecies aren’t “exciting” or “words of increase”..they usually are warnings and correction. Maybe I’m wrong??? My pastor is more “spiritual” than I it must be me. WRONG. Come to find out he was inviting these circus-clown (profit$) to come and appease him with “great words” to keep the crowd from leaving due to my pastor’s moral failures. After leaving, I realized that I need to TRUST the Word of God and TRUST the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT on the inside of ME!! After leaving this ministry, my own prophetic gifting started EXPLODING on the inside of me!!! AMERICA has become so skeptical…that is why we don’t see as many miracles as we should!!! It’s time for the TRUE men and woman of God to take back the Church and send these money hungry, gift-worshipping IDOLS packing. The days of the “ONE MAN SHOW” are over -it’s time to EQUIP THE SAINTS FOR THE WORKING OF THE MINISTRY!

  27. I do think it is powerful(if he is a true prophet) how he knows people’s names and addresses even before he calls them out? Could this be another spirit operating in Brian? Just curious to know what others think.

    Psalms100, my problem with his statement regarding bank accounts is that it was a purely flesh-led statement. By him stating that he had the ability to do so, does that mean he has done it before. I think that would be divination. Why does God need to tell you that you have 30.16 cents in your account? Its a foolish premise to begin with. Secondly, he told a lie. There is no way a person in a black pentecostal church could give “billions and trillions” of dollars to Carn, even if his prophecy was correct about their bank account. That was a lie. If you look at his itinerary you’ll see that he is getting a lot of money due to the volume of his appearances. Its been that way since he started. He’s also bringing these pastors a lot of money by drawing in the sheeple. So the incentive to abuse the gift for gain certainly exists. Someone mentioned maturity. God certainly does use the young, but again there are many signs that gift abuse is occuring here. I wonder if any of the people who invite him ask him about his past.

  28. Ye shall know a tree by its fruit! Is “prophet” Carn leading people to a saving relationship with christ? Is he teaching them to have a closer walk with (thee) him? Or is he keeping the inorant sheeple dependent on him for ” spiritual insight” or to hear from god? How much time does he spend expounding the scriptures vs the time spent ” flowing in the prophetic”? he has a gift alright. The gift of separating people from their hard earned money! He is simply doing what many other before him have done, it’s called “cold reading”? Many so called ‘divine healers” and faith healers have done it for years. it’s so easy with black folks because we are so gullible. Tell some poor down-trodden woman that “god has a word for you” and watch her immediately become emotional to the point she starts crying and falling out all over the place. Most of these ‘prophecies” are so vague and hard to disprove that they are meaningless. They say they are just confirming what god has already told you. “get ready to move” “gods going to elevate your ministry” “i see you travelling” “your business is about to increase” the only purpose of these prophecies is to make you trust in the so called profit and believe everything that comes out of his mouth so you will line up like a sheep and drink whatever kool-aid he is selling.

  29. I have heard so many people say that gifts will cease but what happens when someone tells you something that the person could never know? what happens when you pray for someone and you pray specifically the situation that they are going through? what do you call that.

    When the bible says that gifts would cease, did that come with a definite time? That same passage of scripture says what we know in part we will know in full, I cannot see how we could see the fullness or attain perfection in this flesh.

    I Corinth 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

    My understanding is that gifts will cease when we get to heaven but love will always be and we will understand the whole of what God has done through Christ.

    Regarding Mr. Carnes message, if a man has a gift from God then that is the anointing. The Holy Spirit is the anointing of God and it is the holy spirit that gives gifts. So I see how it is confusing to say that the man has a gifting from God, is being effective and yet it was not the anointing?

    Question for anyone, can a man be in sin and still be used of God?

  30. Agree with that Pastor. The vision is supposedly about moral failure in a certain church “leader” and people not discerning gift from anointing and the presence of God so what does him being able to tell how much money one has have to do with it? “dont ya’ll know you cant hide that from me”!?, what in the world is that about? That has nothing to do with prophecy.

    Also people need to stop chasing down a word, if God wants you to know something you will know. NO reason to go to every prophetic service in town. That is witchcraft if you ask me.

  31. Paul N,
    you make some very good points. You may be correct that prophecies will end when we go to heave. However, we must use the bible to judge what is going on in our churches. What is the fruit of these prophets and prophecies? biblical Prophets were not in the business of telling people what god was going to do next in their lives. prophets were telling people and nations to get right with God. I don’t hear that at all with today’s prophets. We are never told in scripture that a test of a prophet is if he knows something about you that no one else could not. That is the spirit of divination and is clearly condemned in the bible. In fact, paul cast one of those demons out, even though it spoke the truth!!!!! (ie, that they were men of the most high). so that tells us nothing and should not be our guide.
    Also, you must remember the history of the pentecostal church. At the Azuza st revival and there after, it was claimed by it’s leaders that tounges had ceased with the end of the apostolic age and that now (then) God was going to RESTORE it to the church. So according to the founders of Pentecostalism, tounges had CEASED for over 1500 years! And in early 1900’s it was going to be RESTORED to the church. This is a very important point. If it ceased for so long, was it necessary for the church to survive for all of those years? The church clearly did not end because tongues did. The gates of hell will not prevail against the church. If tongues ended, how were people saved? Was no one saved for over 1500 years? if so how were they without tongues/ prophecy? if it did not end, then the founder of pentecostalism seymour et al must have been wrong or liers. I cannot be both. Which one was it? tongues being restored or never left at all? This is a very important question that should be thought about.

  32. I think we all need to be careful, before Pastor Foster chastises us, for going to far off of the subject (smile). To my understanding when Paul spoke about gifts ceasing, he was simply trying to steer the corinthian church, from constantly striving after the more spectacular gifts. Now we know he said, “earnestly desire the best gifts, and yet I show you a more excellent way, which we know to be the way of “LOVE” as expressed in one of the most poignant chapters in the bible. On (3) instances when talking about spiritual gifts the Apostle speaks about the immaturity of his listeners:

    (1) When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, and I thought as a child, but when I became a man I put away childish things.

    (2) Brethren be not children in your understanding w/all malicious, but be ye men.

    (3) Let all of you who consider yourselves to be spiritual and prophets, know that I speak the commandments of God. But if a man be ignorant, then let him be ignorant.

    But then we find the Apostle saying at the end of the 14th chap., of 1st Corinthians this, “Do not forbid to speak w/tongues, nor to prophesy, but let all things be done w/decency and order.” So our beloved brother Paul was trying to teach us some balance. He said certain gifts would cease, because people was chasing after the gifts of the Spirit rather than the Giver of the gifts, and also why chase after something, that in the end, will come to an end, when you and I stand before Him, praising Him forever, but “LOVE” will never end because He is “LOVE.” But we find the Apostle later telling us not to forbid those same gifts, he said, that would cease, notice his attempt to keep us in the “right” perspective.

    I’m reminded by a saying of the Lord, “You pay your tithes and your mint, and cummin these things you ought to have done. But you forsake the heart of the law, justice, mercy, and faithfulness. You should’ve still been doing the one without forsaking the other, and the other is the more weightier matter.” Do not despise certain gifts, on the contrary seek the gifts, but do not be so caught up in the gift, that you forsake your first love, which is loving Christ and loving one another.

  33. Interesting discussion indeed.

    Paul N,
    to answer your question: “…can a man be in sin and still be used of God?”
    Based on scripture, and what I’ve seen with my own eyes, I’d say the answer is yes. Going back to Matt 7:22-23 (Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’…)

    You’ll notice the Lord DOESN’T DENY that they did these works. His answer was just that “I never knew you”. So it’s fair to assume THEY WERE INDEED casting out devils, doing miracles etc, by the power and Spirit of God, even though their relationship with God wasn’t what it should be.

    To expand further, I’d say this… I can think of several times I’ve heard and known of certain pastors and preachers who were discovered to have been living a double life for a while, covering up sexual, financial, or other sins even while preaching the gospel. Yet during that time, people still responded in faith to the word, came to God, got saved and are still living for God today! As the bible says, “faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God”. This tells me that as the Word of God goes forth, even if it comes out of the mouth of a soiled vessel/preacher, God is still able to use that Word to instill faith in the hearts of the hearers – and they can then respond to Him by faith to receive salvation and healing.

  34. Observer, that’s good and sound. Appreciate that. It almost like Jesus is saying “ha, ha the joke is on you”! You did this work only to find out that the work has no benefit for you apart from me knowing you. His word did not go out void, but what a tragedy for those who think they can carry on without relationship with Christ. I wont even go into the what’s wrong with us saying we know him in light of that statement. Seems its more important that he knows us (relationally that is).

    Question: would you call that what they did (casting out, etc) the anointing? Just going back to what Carn said that God removed the anointing. Didnt he use Saul as an example?

  35. GCMWATCH I have wrestled to understand the source of power used by the iniquitous ministers in Matt 7:21-24. The text tells us that they cast out devils in the name of Jesus. Jesus clearly taught that a house divided against itself cannot stand, and that satan would by no means cast out satan. I believe the problem lies in our definition of ministerial sucess versus God’s definition of sucess. Paul taught that it was possible for him to have preached to others and himself become a cast away. What will it have mattered if you pastored a “Mega Church”,only to be cast into the lake of fire at the judgment seat of Christ.

  36. GCM, to answer your question, I guess this comes down to individual perception and opinion, since there’s no single proof-text in scripture regarding this, but…

    I’d say no, what these men are doing (in casting out demons, etc. ) is not really “the anointing”. I’d consider that to be just “operating in one’s gift”. I consider “the anointing” to be the favor and presence of God upon a person’s ministering. Also, my view is that God anoints His Word… And since the Word has its own built-in anointing, yokes can be broken by the anointing upon His Word that goes forth, and as a result of the faith created in those who hear the Word.

    If a semi-backslidden pastor preaches the Word of faith, someone can still come up to him for prayer & laying on of hands and be healed, masses can still hear and respond to the gospel and be saved, and a demon can still be cast out by the power of God even if the preacher isn’t living right. I would just consider this to be the lingering/residual effects of the giftedness that God has placed upon the man, since “the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance (i.e. irrevocable)” [Rom 11:29].

    I actually agree with Brian Carn’s using the example of Saul, a man from whom God removed His anointing, but still kept in the office of king even while He was preparing another man to replace him.

    I also think of the example of Balaam, a man who would hear the voice of God, described in the scriptures as a prophet (2 Pet 2:15-16), and yet because of greed he took money to prophesy against God’s people, the children of Israel. But every time he opened his mouth God issued a blessing, instead of a curse, upon them (Deut 23:3-5). Was Balaam “anointed” during this time? I’d say no, not at all… but he had a gift which God hadn’t taken away, and it was convenient to Him to allow Balaam to prophesy a blessing to His people, even though Balaam’s heart clearly had become corrupt.

    So in summary, I personally make a distinction between a man whose ministry is truly anointed by God, versus one who the Lord simply allows to remain in a particular office or be used in a particular gift for the glory of God.

  37. If Brian Carn was so prophetic and can see a perversion of another preacher, than how come he just preached at Sherman Allen church in Arlington just a couple weeks ago? That too me proves that Brian Carn can’t see anything, because Sherman Allen is the biggest pervert in world.

  38. Whether or not this is a ‘vision’ I do not know, but I can tell you that Brian Carn is a false prophet. One need only watch the ‘I’m breaking necks’ videos with ‘prophet’ Carn and Jamal Bryant to see it. In one portion,(part 14) he literally reads a woman’s name on her check (1:28) then calls her out a few moments later and pretends to discern her name (2:10). In part 13 he tells the sheeple that God says 71 of them need to bring a $300 seed and get harvest by month’s end and each will personal prophecy… In part 10 at the 5:50 mark, he begins a ridiculous story of a woman that must bring him everything in her account and lay it at his feet, and God will make her a millionaire… He then advises her to steal the money as it will be as the result of a bank error… It is disgraceful. Additionally, you can see the folks that he runs with and know that there is a lot of ‘perversion’ going on in that group, and there is buzz in the ‘web-o-sphere’ about him and out of wedlock children as well, so…

  39. Well, I believe in prophet Carn. He visited my church in Toledo. I went to the alter, when he got to me, he looked at me several times and then told me that the relationship with my mother was healed, God had healed it. He had NO idea what was going on in my life but was right on point. That completely made me a believer.

  40. E.Bert, I saw that video. I guess we would have to call BC a hit and miss prophet, if such a thing is possible.

  41. Elder Foster,

    You asked, “Is it true? Truth? Biblically sound? Does God have to show you (a prophet) a “vision” in order to know that we are knee-deep in an apostate age with sexual immorality cresting among leadership?”

    I think there is biblical precident for his message in this case. He mentioned Saul, I’ll mention Eli also. Eli was rejected of God and yet in office. Hopni and Phineas also. They were stripped in the end but yet functioned. They knew what to do (the gift) but had no power to do right or approval of God in it.

    Now, on another other point, I have no reason to doubt this young man (except for him saying that he knows what’s in my bank account…does he know my credit score too? Isn’t that invasion of privacy? Can’t he be sued for that?)anyway…I hope with all that’s within me that he’s OK and living the TRUTH…but last time I saw a minister (supposed) with his shoes off ministering in the pulpt or on stage it was Tonex. I said at that moment that he was gay, asked some in the industry that knew him who were unsure, and years later…we know the rest of the story…

    I’m certainly NOT trying to be prophetic and or say that “God has revealed” something to me…I simply HOPE that the preacher is what he says he is. Time will tell.

  42. Thanks Pastor Burnett. Time will tell. Im not out to shoot down BC, but I wondered if he told the “well known minister” about this vision? Probably not. That may bring a screeching halt to his nonstop string of engagements.

    I also agree with the biblical precedents you mentioned. He is accurate in that. What of the people who follow these men thinking they are indeed anointed and being led of God? If you can receive a true prophet’s rewards (Mt 10:41), then can you also receive a false prophets curse?

    Wide lens question to anyone: If you saw this vision —and it was from God— would you tell the individual about it? Have you ever and if so how did the person receive it?

  43. FALSE PROPHET! i just watched a couple videos on this guy, false toungues, false healing, divination, all the ingredients of a false prophet!! he is just like a black benny hinn! it doesnt take much discernment to see he is fake!!

  44. People: For some of you who may have experienced this prophet, he could have been engaging in a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom and not a prohpetic gift and which gift is without repentance..regardless of how he may use or abuse the gift…he will have to answer to God.
    As for him giving out addresses and bank accounts, that is juvenile and is not in line with the use of such a gifting. He charging for his “information” and having himself lifted up on his own T shirts is not in accord with the spirit of the N.T.
    apostles and prophets.
    I have experienced some prophets who “spoke into” my life and many were dead wrong and a few were right.
    You still got to use discernment with an utterance gift. Do not leave your brain in idle mode but test all things and weigh all things.
    Nothing worse I see is in the black church when flim flam prophets come to a worship assembly and shout and dance and utter nonsense and gibberish and the people starting yelling and screaming and dancing and falling out in the aisles and pews…just because someone said some as trite as: God is your bailout…not the federal stimulus package!
    Regretably, it takes very little for many black church goers to start walking the pews or doing a “holy dance” when Prophet or
    Prohetess JibberJabber throws their head back and tells you that you are God’s favored child and that you will receive untold blessings (notice: not time stamped…just open ended baloney).
    The spirit of divination can also operate in one’s life (Bishop
    Jordan anyone?) and if you are not careful, you are suckered into
    becoming a follower of that prophet and not the Lord or the Word of God.
    I have (past tense) sat under a woman pastor in Toledo, Ohio who
    loved to spew forth so called prophecies and none of them….none of them came to pass but yet there was no accountability from her to anyone for that nonsense..nor any rebuke for being a false
    In the last days, there will be multitudes of people, women and men, who will utter the Word of the Lord for personal gain or
    attention but will cover themselves with the mantle of God’s being
    chosen vessel.
    Be on the watch because they will make merchandise out of the saints and they will be both deceived and also deceiving others.
    Your best defense? Know the Word of God and test all things….regardless of the source and as Paul the Apostle says:
    even if an angel were to come from heaven and utter beautiful statements but if they are not of the Lord…hold that person/angel accursed.

  45. Pastor Foster, this man is a false “profit”, a thief and a liar. He is no prophet of the “Most High God”. Just by observing the video clip above, I conclude that he is a sociopath. I don’t belive anything he said anymore than I would believe Todd Bently

    A Prophet’s business, is God’s business, it is not about them or anyone else. I have never come across anywhere in scripture where a true prophet of God is practising the art of divination.

    He said God told him that the preacher was operating in the spirit of perversion. If this was so, as a true prophet of God, he would go to this preacher and implore him to repent. And keep compelling this preacher to repent, until he either repent or leave the church. A true prophet would not sit in a congregation “crying” over mess, they would openly condem it, at the risk of loosing life and limbs, because for them, it is all about God. A true prophet would not be blobbering his mouth to a congregation about things that has nothing to do with them, he would be proclaiming Christ and Him crucified. Think of Elijah and Jezebel; and John the Baptist and Herod, think of the Apostle Paul. It was all about God’s business.

    “The harvest truely is plentiful, but the labourers are few”, and the end is fast approaching. A true prophet would be burdened with the condition of the human heart and the fact that there is still people who need to hear the Good News of Christ and not much time left.

    I went to his web site and it is all about Brian, the man is filled with pride and we know that “God resists the proud”. He is a respector of persons, he offers preffered seating (for $20) at the conference advertised on his page.

    This quote was taken directly from his page, ” At the age of twelve, he began ministering the Word of God and conducted his first three day revival. Prophet Carn became tired of “church as usual”, so he began to seek the Lord with sincere fasting and praying. While on this eighty-eight day fast, he attended a Benny Hinn Crusade in Florida where he was called out. Pastor Hinn prophesied to him that he would walk in the same kind of anointing that the Lord had placed on his life, but “DOUBLE”…..” HE WALKS IS DOUBLE BENNY HINN “ANNOINTING”, that alone is enough for us to reject the words that Brian Carn speaks.

    This is what God thinks of false prophet:
    Ezekiel 13:3-9 (New International Version)
    3 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the foolish [a] prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, O Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaks in the wall to repair it for the house of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the LORD. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. They say, “The LORD declares,” when the LORD has not sent them; yet they expect their words to be fulfilled. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The LORD declares,” though I have not spoken?

    8 ” ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because of your false words and lying visions, I am against you, declares the Sovereign LORD. 9 My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

    By their fruit we will know them.

  46. Rascoe said:

    “He said God told him that the preacher was operating in the spirit of perversion. If this was so, as a true prophet of God, he would go to this preacher and implore him to repent. And keep compelling this preacher to repent, until he either repent or leave the church. A true prophet would not sit in a congregation “crying” over mess, they would openly condem it, at the risk of loosing life and limbs, because for them, it is all about God. A true prophet would not be blobbering his mouth to a congregation about things that has nothing to do with them, he would be proclaiming Christ and Him crucified. Think of Elijah and Jezebel; and John the Baptist and Herod, think of the Apostle Paul. It was all about God’s business…[a] true prophet would be burdened with the condition of the human heart and the fact that there is still people who need to hear the Good News of Christ and not much time left.”

    I copied and pasted all of that because it bears emphasis.

    I could go on about this, but for discussion etiquette I won’t.

  47. Angela, I watched the clip twice and went to his web site. I am frustrated with some of the comments. There is so much biblically wrong with this young man Brian Carn. So he mention Saul and Adam, big deal, the devil and his demons know and can do much more and the Lake of fire is prepared for them. The Word of God has judged Brian Carn and he falls short. I pray that God will have mercy on him and bring him to repentance.

  48. @ “I BELIEVE”…(writing in love) God is using this site to open your eyes! Ask yourself why Michael Pitt’s is now rubbing elbows with Paula White, Jamal Bryant, and now Brian Carn? Don’t sleep. Sometimes what ministers are actually doing is (using) their gift of discernment to gain your trust and then proceed with “a thus saith the Lord”…Brian Carn discerned something in the area of family -paticularly your Mother. That gained your confidence right? ASK YOURSELF THIS SIMPLE QUESTION (PLEASE): Did the “word” you receive bring you CLOSER to Brian Carn or CLOSER to the Lord? Did you then feel a need to give a financial gift based upon this “word”? Why would that be necessary??

  49. Rascoe, I went to his website too and if you ask me, it consists of the same tired, worn-out, trampled-on pentescostal gooblegook that I’m familiar with.
    I am so tired of seeing gullible, discontent people (especially our people) fill the pews panting for some type of prophetic manifestation from individuals, who, to the discerning eye, don’t know God’s right hand from His left.

    I’ve grown so TIRED of people defending “powerful men of God” when it is so blatantly obvious that they’re not men of God at all – and I’m referring to all false prophets.

    I know Pastor Foster made several comments on this site about the black Church, and how we’ve just fallen headlong into a pit (my words). I see it too and it’s disheartening.

    I keep commenting on this because it’s very disturbing to me and I’m trying to understand how things like this happen.

  50. Let me make a note about the pentecostal statement I made in my above post.

    I grew up COGIC, pentecostal to the core. I don’t despise those roots.
    When I refer to “pentecostal gooblegook”, I’m referencing the same cliches that have been passed down from generation to generation; the same phrases, the same “words”, the same behaviors in the pulpit, the same this, the same that. It’s been the same thing for years, over and over again.
    Someone can stand in the pulpit and say, “God told me that He’s about to take some of you to another level!” and the next thing you know the man has more oil pouring from his head than a chicken from the deep fryer. He’s become that annointed. So then you hear things like, “Touch not God’s annointed!” and “I feel the annointing!” when Brother/Sister So-and-So walks the pulpit saying things like, “You’re coming out of the fire tonight!”

    It’s become old.

  51. it is a lack of wisdom knowledge and understandings in all buildings that call themselves church. not everyone but most of the people who attend do not know the word for themselves and when that is the case people are open to fall prey to this kind of garbage. if you follow the WORD and not MAN then you will not go wrong, and affiliate yourself with bible believing bible living brothers and sisters in CHRIST

  52. Angela, there is a bible teacher by the name of John McArthur, Check out his teachings on the Charasmatic Church.

  53. Rascoe, I know exactly who he is. I have a few books by him, and I visit his website (Grace to You) sometimes.
    I agree with a lot of what he says, but also disagree on a few other things. No two people will ever agree on everything, will they? 🙂
    He can be very dogmatic in his approach, but I agree with some of the things he said about the charismatic church, for sure.

  54. Beloved Sister Angela,the reason for all the euphora over individuals like this, is spoken by the Apostle Paul when instructing his young Pastor Timothy, “itchy ear messages, a desire to nolonger listen to the truth”, “clouds without rain” and “silly laden women, (and also men) ever hearing, but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.” This time was clearly prophesied of by our Lord his Apostles and countless other men and women of God, as our Lord said, “do not be overtaken by these things, for I told you they must happen, before my coming.”

    And He will tell these individuals walking in falsehood, “I never knew you.” Its also a case of a “lack of knowledge” not “studying”, and “misinterpreting the Word, whether intentional or not to fit agendas” and may I say, “down right laziness concerning the Word of God.” It is the age of the “apostate” church the great falling away. Though I stress the above things, I also will stress, not allowing the false to keep us from receiving the true, be mindful to what is wrong, but be built up on what is right.

  55. Thank you Tony. As I wrote before, I don’t want to judge the whole by a few, or let one (or in my case, many) experiences clout my judgement.
    It’s like tasting tofu that’s gone bad and then judging all of it as bad. I can’t do that.

    …Actually, the tofu example is horrible, as it actually is nasty, but that was the first thing I thought of.
    Go figure. Lol

  56. Angela, I understand about gty.
    You said “I don’t want to judge the by a few, or let one(or in my case, many)experiences cloud my judgement.”
    Let the Word of God does the judgement, Angela, that’s what I use. All we have to do is examine “their fruit” (the things they say and their actions), with the written word of God as our standard. We have no other resources. The Holy Spirit helps us in decerning the truth from a lie.

  57. @Pastor Foster, Yes, I’ve had this happen to me and I’ll try to make a long story short. Years ago I had a dream about the Pastor over the church my sister was attending at one time. Her husband (my bro-in-law) was being ordained as an Deacon in the church and I attended the service. I had never seen her Pastor prior to that nor had she told me anything about them other than in conversation such has “how good church was that Sunday” or about the great guest speaker they had, but nothing “in depth” about him. Well after that service, I had a dream in which I saw that he was leaving his wife and the ministry was torn over it. I saw the wife just crying in the dream and all the church folks were standing around just upset about the fact that the “ministry” was breaking up but no one was upset over the fact that the “marriage” was breaking up and the fact that this Pastor was leaving his wife and the wife was just distraught in the dream. When I woke up the next morning, I couldn’t shake the dream as I just knew that it was definitely God showing me something about this Pastor and the ministry.

    Long story short, I was led to share my dream with my sister. She was a bit surprised but did reveal to me then that her Pastor had been going out of town lately without his wife, whom she said wasn’t able to fly alot due to some health reasons.
    Anyway, she wasn’t led to tell her Pastor about the dream until a few weeks later when the opportunity to share with him came up…she said it was one night after church service and somehow she and her Pastor were able to talk after church for about 30 minutes. She was then led to tell him about the dream and to her surprise he broke down and “opened up like a book” to her and confessed he was planning to leave his wife and the ministry as soon as their teenager graduated from highschool that year in June and other things that were going on.

    Again, long story short, God gave me Rev 2:1-5, the letter to the Church in Ephesus to speak to the Pastor for him and the ministry that unless he repented, returned to his first love and repent that his lampstand would be removed, or in other words, the ministry was fall apart and the church would end up folding and closing. Also being that he, as the head of his home and the church was, that the whole body was sick, thus the reason he was diagnosed with cancer (which he was being treated throughout this whole ordeal).

    Long story short, that Pastor did not repent immediately, so as God showed me, the mininstry did indeed fold up and the church closed down. I was the last person that God used to send warning to that Pastor because my sister told me other’s had come with a prophetic word of issues that were going on in that ministry, but would not be addressed and no “sincere” repenting was being done by the Pastor or the “Elders/Deacons” in the ministry…basically just going through the motions, having a form of Godliness but denying the power. Just “having church” so to say and God was tired of the “show.”

    Once the Pastor lost the ministry and hit “spiritual bottom”, then he was in a position to hear and listen to God and repent.

    Long story short, (for real) I ended up running into him again in the mall with my Mom just before I moved to Texas and we had a very long talk and he told me that God was restoring his marriage, all of the cancer was successfully removed from his body, and that him and his wife were “sitting down” and had joined a great ministry in which “they” were being ministered to.

    His wife and I became good friends and to this day (this was about 4 years ago when this all happned) they are still doing well as they have gone back to their “first love”, naturally and spiritually! Glory to God.

    I have other instances such as this, but this dream was the most profound. So yes, I do believe that God can and still does speak to His people in dreams/visions. HOWEVER, I would NEVER call myself a “prophetess” nor try to use the gifts of the Holy Spirit for gain.

    As far as Brian Carn, I’m not impressed by “divination” of knowing what’s in someone’s bank account, nor the fact that Benny Hinn laid hands on him. Benny Hinn laid hands on Zachary and Riva Tims a few years back as well prophe-lying that The Tims would walk in this awesome “Benny Hinn” type anointing as well…and we all know what happened with their marriage!
    From what I saw on BC’s website and his sol called bragging like the gift comes directly from his own resources would make me NOT want to attend any event he’s going to be a part of.

    Sorry for being long winded as I tried to be as short and brief as possible with hopefully sharing the vital points pertaining to the blog. Thanks so much Pastor Foster as I do beleive we are in the last days and the Deceivers that Paul said was getting a “foot” in the churches back then have a “full body” in the churches today (and leading quite a few of them)!

  58. So much of what I had been thinking has been said in the responses, but I especially liked what Pressing4Word said:

    Did the “word” you receive bring you CLOSER to Brian Carn or CLOSER to the Lord? Did you then feel a need to give a financial gift based upon this “word”? Why would that be necessary??

    Hmmm….I wonder why, perhaps to get you emotional and get in your pockets. I agree with that being the reason why Carn didn’t confront this preacher in his vision. The preacher might be popular (it could be Benny Hinn the way things are a present) and Carn not want to negatively affect his cash flow by going up against him and his devils. Its his word against yours, your vision against his anointing, and when both of you are suspect….
    I also questioned, If Carn saw people being delivered, when he went back to this church were these people still delivered or afflicted again and by something worse? Devils work in agreement with each other, just like angels of the Lord, so while a reprieve might manifest for the deception of others, come back next week and see what they are dealing with.

    To Pastor Foster’s question, I would certainly use the opportunity God gives me to get in a persons ear about the vision or dream I had specifically regarding them. I’ve heard other testimonies like Godlysoldiers, that had a good report at the end as well.

  59. Anyone who comes calling themselves “prophet” is to some extent already using a subtle form of manipulation. Using tat word to anounce one’s self leaves the gullible, the unlearned and the foolish vulnerable to the so-called prophet’s whims and utterances.

    The fact that this young man claimed to know what was in the bank accounts of the people and whether or not they were “sitting” on their money is very suspect. There iss very dangerous teaching among those invloved int he prophetic movement that says the prophet says what he wants and the LORD honors it. Corletta Vaughn teaches this and I believe I still have it on CD. This leaves room for even more manipulation.

    Don Meares teaches a principle of “Obligating the Prophet”. This is making the prophet remember you or obligated to do some miraculous sign or word for you based on your generosity to them. He misuses scripture of course to promote this mess and takes an offering after it. SUPPRISE!
    The true test of a prophet is whether or not they can turn the people’s heart to GOD through Christ. Elijah’s great signs and wonders caused the people to cry out; THe LORD, He is God!”
    Many of these charlatans cause the people to honor them. They develop a following, charge for meetings, (like preferred seating, etc.)
    I won’t go so far as to say that Carn is not aprophet. If he is he is being mentores badly and he is learning a bunch of junk that will pollute his purpose.
    I believe that at 19 years old he is still a novice. It doesn’t matter to me what calling he may have on his life. He is simply too young to head a ministry that is attempting to go national. In my opinion he should be perfecting his gifting and learning how to minister under men and women of GOD who wisah to see him mature and become truly established on the word. His rhetoric and style is so reminiscent of “others”. The style of his speech is so “black church evangelist” that is seems studied and a little affected.
    I fear we may be looking at a Juanita Bynum in the making.

  60. Is there anyway to tell his sincerity? He didn’t say anything out of the way. Why waist time on something like this. Satan enjoys Christians judging a man, who for all purposes seems to be trying to minister the Gospel. If his words are true and yet there is still doubt, Let his fruit define who he is. I thought this site was dedicated to unmasking the “gay demon” 🙂

  61. I’ve looked at this and i’ve just been going through my mental rolledex to compare this with the word. I think that there is scriptural precedence for what when on in that dream, or how the dream went down. I think that problem comes with the delivery. The way its delivered is subject to the prophet. He added the extra I can see your address stuff and so that invalidates it in peoples eyes, but for me I can see how some of that is his stuff he added, but it doesnt mean its not from God. It rings true.

  62. James, you really should try reading and getting an understanding before making comments that indicate you havent read. Since you havent, please be advised this has nothing to do with “satan” and everything to do with the word of God. Dont get the two confused.

    I would strongly suggest that you read and heed 1 John 4:1.

  63. “Test” the spirits to see if they be of God. Here is the thing, how has the test been carried out? Is time being well spent on trivial matters? Is he able to defend himself or explain how God deals with him? We as Christian’s have to be careful not to put on display (for ridicule sake) things that aren’t neccesarily wrong.

    1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

    Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    ** This has everthing to do with Satan, because the bible says that he is the “accuser” of the brethren. Rev 12:10.

    ***don’t be so quick to put an individual on display if they have done nothing evidently wrong…….this is what happened to Jesus:)

  64. ^Mr. Carn’s “prophetic” word(that he himself put up for display on youtube) should be tested against the written Word of God ie The Bible..if it doesn’t measure up, then he gets need for him to explain anything about “how God is dealing with him”…Mr. Carn is a false prophet and you would do well to stop defending him…

  65. Thank you djenk. Im not sure why James would even ask a question like that. People are too full of unbiblical church cliches (like you dont know how God is “dealing with him”, etc) and when confronted with what the bible says they resort to such things which are really nonsensical.

    I plainly stated that all prophets and prophecy are to be tested and until proven otherwise I assume that Brian Carn is a true prophet.

    I guess he missed that. But when you fail to read, that’s what happens.

  66. What was the purpose of him telling the people that he had seen a famous minister in a vision with a ciggy and two homosexuals? Was it to reveal to the people that he is a seer? Was it to boost his rep as a prophet? Did he go to the man as Nathan did to David? Did he labour in prayer for the man? What was the purpose of saying it to the people (now to the world via youtube?)
    Will this cause the people to suspect others with a famous name?
    What will be the fruit of his vision and sharing it?
    I don’t (truly) doubt that he could have had such a vision but to what end?
    I will watch him and see the fruit of his ministry.

  67. Elder Jimmy those are the questions of the “test” of 1 John 4:1.

    And lest some forget, Carn personally released this video for public viewing. Thus he apparently wanted people to see it and unless he is naive, must have known that it would be questioned.

  68. Elder Jimmy, I’ve seen comments on the internet, in particular on Youtube, where people have stated that [Carn] has made prophesies regarding Barak Obama. Carn is claimed to have stated that there will be an attempt on Obama’s life by mid-year (this year).

    Perhaps so.

    But isn’t that somewhat generic? I’ve heard people say that he will be assasinated, someone will attempt to assasinate him, someone in his immediate family will be murdered, etc.
    I’ve heard it said that Obama won’t be alive by the end of this year, that he won’t survive his four years in office, that he won’t see another Christmas…

    So if what Brian Carn said comes true, will his prophetic ministry then be seen as ordained by God?

    I guess if it comes to pass then many will say that he is a true prophet.
    But I can make that same claim, and so can you, and so can Bob down the street. So will we all be prophets then?

    That’s a legit question from me.

    Isn’t it true that anyone can predict that this or that will happen by such-and-such a time, and it happen? Isn’t it a crap shoot?
    I’m not trying to make the prophetic sound illegitimate, God forbid. But I do know that anyone at anytime can predict anything, and there’s a chance that it can occur.
    I know that God is sovereign and in reality, there’s no such thing as “chance”; what I’m referring to is to the individual who’s not omniscient, who happens to predict a thing without knowing that it will occur, and it does.

  69. Angela the difference is when a person says that God told them to say such and such. When the Lord becomes the source of the prediction, it MUST be tested for accuracy and in keeping with what the Word of the Lord has already confirmed. Paul told the Galatians church (and us by extension) If I or an angel in heaven preach to you any other gospel, let him be accursed. Gal 1:8 That’s a strong warning and judgment!

    When you look at the OT prophets, generally they prefaced their prophecies with “thus saith the Lord”. In other words, the authority of God spoke through human lips and could be trusted to be true. So if one prefaces his prediction with “thus saith the Lord”, it must be examined because among other things the dramatic increase of false prophets as told to us by Christ (Mt 24:11).

    Because satan is in a perpetual war to discredit God and his word, we must guard against false prophets who claim to speak for God, yet they deny him with their lives and works. And its not just the “prophets” who have risen to noteriety, its anyone who comes “in the name of the Lord” to you. The testing isnt done by feelings or even what we see (like “the holy spirit really moved in Prophet Doe’s service”) we are to test the spirits by the Word of God. And I must add this is not to foster any wholesale mistrust of God’s servants, but it is a proactive, protective measure against deception.

    Its an old tactic began by satan in the garden which ultimately is designed to cast doubt on the authority and veracity of God. When such confusion exists, it allows for greater deception and manipulation of the sheep.

    That’s the difference as I understand it.

  70. Pastor Foster, I understand what you’re saying. That’s as clear as a bell.

    But honestly, I don’t hear many people say, “Thus saith the LORD”, or “The LORD is saying…”.
    What I primarily hear – and this is just my experience- is someone saying, “I hear the LORD saying…”
    Now some would say that this is the same thing as saying, “Thus saith the LORD.”
    But it isn’t.

    I know I’m getting into semantics here, but I think that many false prophets have basic knowledge of this technique.

    When one says, “I hear the LORD saying…”, doesn’t that leave room for error by the alleged prophet? If he (or she) says, “I hear…”, and what he “hears” does not come to pass, that gives the alleged prophet an opportunity to claim that what he “heard” may have been a misunderstanding of what the LORD actually said.

    My goal is not to cherry-pick here. I only bring this up to ask, if this was the case, does this excuse the prophet for what was “prophesied” not coming to pass? Because he didn’t actually say, “Thus saith the LORD”?

    I’m glad I’m discussing this, because I have some strong feelings about this particular ministry.

  71. Yes, I know what youre talking about. I have heard several variations of that. To me its like you said a cunning way to create and out for oneself, should what you said not come true. Like you Im not arguing semantics, but false prophets are cunning, articulate and know how to manipulate people’s emotions. I think when it comes to parsing words, one’s spiritual discernment needs to be in place.

    Even if a person uses the “right words” and they are not of God, I believe if you have Holy Ghost discernment, somehow God will help you to hear and know that its not his voice. “My sheep know my voice and another’s they will not follow.”

    People say you dont know someone’s heart, but the Holy Spirit CAN and DOES reveal the intents of a person’s heart to another. Why is up to the Spirit.

  72. “Test the spirit” you say…are you looking to follow his lead or ministering from the holy spirit or are you looking for error for the sake of finding error.
    GCMW: James, deal with the scripture. That’s the basis of the discussion.

    I don’t focus on the individual, I just defend the word of God and the body of Christ as a whole. I attack the spirit not the individual. This is why Jesus said the person without sin should cast the first stone. It is a spirit that reigns and should be called out. To spend your time bringing down individuals, does just that. It brings down the individual. Yet the Spirit reigns. “Should we focus on this one gay preacher that everybody knows is lost or should we talk about how the gay spirit is manipulating and destroying the body of Christ?” It is the root of the problem in the Body of Christ that we focus on a particular person. If we would focus on the mindset of the issue we are able to minister to the people.

    GCMW: 1John 4:1 doesnt tell us to “attack spirits”, it says “test the spirits whether they are of God”. You couldnt be defending the word of God, by objecting to what the word tells us to do. Lots of contradiction here.

  73. Friend James,

    The Word of God, is full of individuals who were dealt with because of there “sin.” False prophets, necromancers, homosexuals, were commanded to be put to death. Achan because of his “sin” was put to death, Ananias and Sapphira, were put to death by the Spirit of God himself for there “sin.” So the mentioned individuals were dealt w/several because of there sin, and not looked over. But the situation w/the young man, is not a case of whether or not he sinned and or is a false prophet, whats being scrutinized is what he said, for God scrutinizes our hearts daily “the Word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart” and many times we who are believers’ are His agents to do exactly that.

    Paul loved the Beareans because, they examined what he said, not w/critical spirits, but a desire to know the truth. When Peter confronted Simon, he not only confronted the spirit moving Simon, but Simon himself. When Christs confronted His two young Apostles John and James when they said, “Lord call down thunder and strike them”, He dealt w/them personally and said, “you know not what kind of spirit your operating in.” Priscilla and Aquilla, seeing a young Apollos ministeering, but not w/a “mature” understanding, deals w/him and explains it more “perfectly” to him, the next time we hear of Apollos, he’s out there w/Peter and Paul.

    So when we say certain things and it doesn’t appear to be lining up, we must expect to be challenged. As Pastor Foster said, the young man posted his sermon on youtube himself, and I’m sure as the Pastor indicated, he knew he would be challenged, which necessarily isn’t a bad thing, notice Apollos was challenged and because he apparently received it, God increased his ministry. So it is some of our intention, maybe not all of us, that the young man receive this challenge and allow God, to grow him in ministry.

  74. Tony Davis you are absolutely correct, many people were dealt with in and still are dealt with in the sin that they walk in. Here is the thing. I am not saying that the individual should not be dealt with. What Im saying is in most instances these issues of sin in the bible were dealt with personally either by a minister of God or by God himself.

    Here we have a young man, you don’t know him, all you know is 4 min soundbite….And to be honest he didn’t say anything unbiblical in this video.

    Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

    In the 2:24-45 section of the video..he mentioned knowing people were sitting on their money…but didn’t the apostles deal with the very same issue with Ananias and Sapphira. And if you notice in the video he said he was concerned for the inward man.

    –I cannot say what issues this young man has in his life, but the bible says, “Ye shall know them by their fruits”

    Let us pray for him that the spirit of truth fills his life and he not be carried away by the deception of the enemy.

  75. @James, Ananias and Sapphira do not apply because it was not offering time yet in this clip. They lied to make people believe they too were giving up all they had for the church. They gave what they did for recognition, and kept back part cause of lack of faith. Now, if you went to that service you knew Carn was going to ask for a $50 seed, you should probably come prepared, if not give as you purpose in your heart. If Carn knows whats in your bank account he knows the PIN too, tell him to go get it!!

    But I have a new theory, I think post-prophecy has been touched on elsewhere. I was on Slaughter of the Sheep and came across the comment below regarding another person’s vision and thought, hmmm…myabe Carn is putting at least part of this vision out there – not identifying who was in the dream, so when the person in his vision is exposed, he can jump all over it like “didn’t I tell you!?!”
    Making a prophecy public after a situation occurs is prophecy after the fact. The more wrong a false prophet is the more it occurs. While Christians are commanded by Scripture to test all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21), prophecy after the fact is a claim that is almost impossible to test or validate. False prophets know this, and rely on their audience of followers to nod their heads in approval and take their word for it….
    Perhaps he is setting up for when the next ministry seemingly hits the fan.

  76. hmmmmm, very interesting lapregheira. People should know false prophets have multiple tricks up their sleeve. And because of such high biblical illiteracy rate, most of them work against the sheeple.

  77. I have Been thinking about the anointing as it pertains to the old and new testament. Is the analogy of Saul a good one.

    Being anointed is being separated unto God for His purpose. In the OT the holy spirit came upon a man and a person and the anointing was signified by the pouring of oil on that individual. This can be compared in the NT to a believer being filled with the holy spirit. This is a vast difference.

    My question is yes we see the presence of The LORD left Saul, my question is can the Holy Spirit leave a NT believer in the same way?

    I also have a few question about this verse, was Saul still anointed even though he disobeyed God?

    1 Samuel 26:9 (King James Version)

    9And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the LORD’s anointed, and be guiltless?

    Regarding Matthew 7:22-24 where Jesus said many will say LORD LORD…, has anyone ever though of the Catholics? they claim to do miracles, to be a saint you have to perform miracles after you are dead and they are also big on excorsisms. However they add to scripture and are not doctrinally sound.

    I have wandered if these people who Christ was talking to were believers in the fisrt place?

    I am know I am bit late but if anyone coud give me their veiws I would appreciate it a whole lot.


  78. I want to appologize. I had the opportunity to do a little research on Brian Carn and I can understand why people are calling him a false prophet. Apparently he has aligned himself with questionable people and involved in some scandals.

  79. Brother Paul N.,

    I will attempt to assist you on some of your questions, we find also in 1st Sam., Saul saying, “God has given me a new heart”, I believe that “new heart”, was God equipping him for the task that He had set before him, but we find Saul never had a “true heart change.” We also know the scripture says, “the gifts of God come without repentance” thus can be why David always said, “I will not put my hands upon the LORD’s annointed” because as far as David was concerned, Saul was still King, and its was up to God to remove him. Of course we find later, “the Spirit of the LORD departed, from Saul and an evil spirit came upon him”, thus my opinion never truly a changed heart Saul experienced, we must remember though God annointed Saul, through reading 1st Sam, its was the people who chose him.

    We read later after the Prophet Samuel annoints David the scripture says, “and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward” thus my opinion inspite of David’s oft begetting sins, he was truly converted, thus God says of him, “I have found David, a son of Jesse a Man After Mine Own Heart.” As you stated correctly, the Holy Spirit came upon our brothers and sisters of the OT, but we find that would soon change according to prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel, “I will give you a new Spirit and a new heart, I will take away your heart of stone, and give you a heart of flesh.”

    But if we read the parable of the “Sower of the Seed”, we find out of the four individuals the Lord spoke of, only one was truly converted, the other three were “emotional” converts, and because it was an “emotional” experience, never truly converted. Thats why the Lord could say when they said to Him, “I cast out demons in your name, I laid hands on the sick, and they recovered”, He inturns says to them, “depart from me you worker of inquity, I never knew you.” Those of us who are truly converted, He says to us, “I will never leave you nor forsake”, yes there are times, when “His Spirit will not always strive w/us” it doesn’t mean He’s nolong w/us but we’ve gone our own way, which we all have tendency to do.

    After the washing of the disciples feet He says to them, “A person who has had a bath needs only to wash there feet” meaning in my opinion if we who believe sin, we need not get saved again, but repent (wash the feet). Thus for those of us of the NT as you already know, have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If I rambeled, forgive me, and old teachers habit, I was an instructor in the Marine Corps and a teacher now by the Spirit of God and not of my own. Hope I was of some assistance my friend.

  80. I didn’t watch the video… so my questions may be moot. But did the young so-called prophet give any kind of reason as to the purpose of the vision? And if this so-called vision was truly of GOD… did the LORD direct him to share it publicly? I mean, he says he saw a prominent church leader holding company w/ two gay men. Why does the world need to know that — if the vision is real? How is the church body edified by Carn sharing this knowledge? He doesn’t name names… and unless we’ve all been living in a cave, we know homosexuality is EVERYWHERE, especially out and proud in so-called churches across all kinds of denominations.

    If this vision is true, Mr. Carn would do well to warn the man the LORD revealed to him — if that is truly the case — and write him a love letter of call to repentance. Telling Betty and Bob at church and folks on the Internet helps who…?

    Also, it would be nice if Mr. Carn’s Web site had some images of him doing the LORD’s work instead of styling and profiling. Not criticizing, I’m just saying — you say you’re in the vineyard…

  81. James Im glad you looked around for yourself. I guess subliminally thats what we’re saying everyone should do. Yes, it was only a four minute video that we reviewed, but there is much more supporting evidence out there. People should at the least investigate so if there is deception occuring they can protect themselves and others they know. There are many false teachers in the church today and too many people are giving them a pass based on “talent”, “gifting” and personality instead of how true they are remaining to the Word of the Lord.

  82. I don’t know enough about this young man to be able to say that he is a false prophet, but I have to agree with one of the writers that said if he saw a vision about this individual why did he not try to help the person or warn them, that’s what prophets did in bibilical times. We have so many Prophets and Prophetesses in this day and time and the majority of them are using that title for self-promotion. You never heard of the prophets in scripture advertising themselves as prophets and much of ministry in this day and time about about gimmicks and self promotion.

  83. When you bill yourself as “prophet so and so” it leaves no room for error using different phrases; “I hear the LORD saying” or “Thus saith the LORD”. You have already called yourself a prophet. If you miss, what do you say?; “I am a prophet 9x out of 10?
    Quite simply calling yourself a prophet or any title from scriptur brings with it an automatic expectation of behavior. A pastor who cannot lead and teach? C’mon.
    You can be a false prophet 2 ways; A prophet that says things that don’t come to pass and a prophet who lives in sin. BOTH are false and to be rejected.

  84. All I have to say is that i’m becoming more and more skeptical of preachers in general and yet i am one. We’ve become actors and spiritual entertainers that have mastered the form of godliness to impress people versus sincere honest devotion to God and His people. As i’ve stated on youtube this video isn’t right. Where he messed up is when he said that God tells him how much money people have in their accounts..not true. We have to be careful that we stay on track and stop preaching for brownie points because while we point fingers at others we have to remember that what goes around comes around…and let me say we have to stop idolizing these preachers giving them the impression that they are beyond sin. They aren’t not even Brian Carn.

  85. “In such passages as 1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 2:20, the ‘prophets’ are placed after the ‘Apostles,’ since not the prophets of Israel are intended, but the ‘gifts’ of the ascended Lord, Eph. 4:8, 11; cp. Acts 13:1; …; the purpose of their ministry was to edify, to comfort, and to encourage the believers, 1 Cor. 14:3, while its effect upon unbelievers was to show that the secrets of a man’s heart are known to God, to convict of sin, and to constrain to worship, 1 Cor. 14:24, 25.
    “With the completion of the canon of Scripture prophecy apparently passed away, 1 Cor. 13:8, 9. In his measure the teacher has taken the place of the prophet, cp. the significant change in 2 Pet. 2:1. The difference is that, whereas the message of the prophet was a direct revelation of the mind of God for the occasion, the message of the teacher is gathered from the completed revelation contained in the Scriptures.” * [* From Notes on Thessalonians by Hogg and Vine, pp
    —Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words


  86. This particular word is on point.I don’t know to much about him but the video speaks volumes to the time we are living in. Gifts and callings are with out repentance many are gifted but have givin up the pressence of God for fame fortune in hopes of being popular. There is a difference in the anointing of one who has the pressence of God and walks in the anointing of a gift and there lifestyle represents what they are preaching.

  87. Biggno said:

    “In such passages as 1 Cor. 12:28; Eph. 2:20, the ‘prophets’ are placed after the ‘Apostles,’ since not the prophets of Israel are intended, but the ‘gifts’ of the ascended Lord, Eph. 4:8, 11; cp. Acts 13:1; …; the purpose of their ministry was to edify, to comfort, and to encourage the believers, 1 Cor. 14:3, while its effect upon unbelievers was to show that the secrets of a man’s heart are known to God, to convict of sin, and to constrain to worship, 1 Cor. 14:24, 25.
    “With the completion of the canon of Scripture prophecy apparently passed away, 1 Cor. 13:8, 9. In his measure the teacher has taken the place of the prophet, cp. the significant change in 2 Pet. 2:1. The difference is that, whereas the message of the prophet was a direct revelation of the mind of God for the occasion, the message of the teacher is gathered from the completed revelation contained in the Scriptures.” * [* From Notes on Thessalonians by Hogg and Vine, pp
    —Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words


    Oh please. Spare us.

    The idea that the prophetic gift, or the office of the Prophet, is done away with is not scriptural. I see you’ve quoted from a dictionary/commentary written by man (W.E.Vine). Seek God for yourself instead of being swayed into false teaching by commentaries written by men. These “commentaries” (Matthew Henry/Adam Clarke/Scofield, etc) can and do string together scriptures to reach a variety of non-biblically supported conclusions.

    As Jesus said…if the blind lead the blind, they both fall into the ditch. Beware of following blind men.




    I dont mean this to be funny, but is this a joke?

  90. Sister Joyce,

    Not everyone called the young man a false prophet, there are comments that he made that were suspect, and due examination, you are fully aware, we must try the spirit. And as your brother in Christ allow me to say in love, perhaps in the future, you might not want to react so emotionally. You hold a very prestigous title in the body of Christ, and you shouldn’t appear to react so emotional, which would cause your position/title to be questioned. God and you, know who you are, if I don’t, strive to be more patient and discerning. I pray you receive this lovingly, but if not, its ok, some of us need alittle time, to chew on the meat “Wherefore receive ye one another, as Christ received us to the glory of God.”

  91. This young man may or may not be anointed… but he definitely is TOO young to be doing all the travelling and ministering that he’s doing and needs to be under a mentor. Who is his spiritual guide? Who commisioned him and chastises him for the things he does? As far as I can see, NO ONE! He travels around the world with his mama, talking to people any kind of way, and giving what can be considered general prophecies. The things that he can get specific about smell more like the spirit of divination than the prophetic. I’ve had a chance to see this young boy in person, and I was unimpressed by how little WORD and SCRIPTURE was rendered as opposed to a free concert and some stories that I found neither entertaining nor edifying to the church body. I also witnessed a moment of immaturity when he actually KISSED a woman after a revival, not on her lips, but nevertheless, why are you kisssing women in church? That is neither decent NOR in order Especially women you don’t know? Brian Carn is altogether too young and immature… and if you really pay attention to him, you wonder if he struggles with homosexuality himself. The best way to hide it would be to publicly cry out against it… no one would ever suspect a HOMOSEXUAL to preach on the immorality of HOMOSEXUALITY! The atmosphere of the true prophetic in these times should be warning and correction… and preaching the gospel as Jesus did, that the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Instead of telling people WHY they’re going to hell, try telling them HOW to get to Heaven instead?

  92. 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

    1 Cor 13:8 (KJV)
    (the prophecies in this scripture means to predict ( greek word 4394) if you have an hebrew and greek concordance and the word fail (greek word 2673) means to make void or abolish)

    This dispensation of prophecy was done away with christ being the fullfillment of all prophetic word to establish the new convenant:
    44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. (now this is jesus talking.He fullfilled all prophecy)

    Luke 24:44 (KJV)

    Now the gift of prophecy signigficantly changed after the resurrection of our savior it was not so much about telling something that was going to happen in the future. Christ was the future that the prophets spoke about and all things were fullfilled in him. A prophet in these times must be able to discern God’s word and teach it to the people not pull some stories out his or her puffed up imagination. Now if a prophet can tell me something about the future and i can find it in his written word then i well accept him or her as authentic and called by God. God is not speaking anything outside of his word and he only speaks throug his son.

    1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
    2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

    Heb 1:1-2 (KJV) (key words time past he spoke by prophets in these last days by his son)

    The apostle paul plainly lays out a guidline on how we must measure a prophet:

    3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

    1 Cor 14:3 (KJV) (look up these three word edification, exhortation, and comfort in your concordance)

    Thank you very much

    PS and the person that responded talking about all the commentaries i used to study one thing they forgot jesus spoke hebrew amaric not king james version english which was also written by men Holla at yall later

  93. Hi I just wanted to say from my talk with God Brian Carn is a real prophet I just recently found out about him about 2 months ago and I was surprised and impressed but I wanted to know if he is a true prophet so I prayed and fasted because in the past I had a experience with some people who seemed very religious (they attended a church where the females only wore skirts etc.) and the holy spirit was telling me that they worshiped the devil and I didn’t pay attention to that but I did find out later that it was true they were in a cult so that experience kinda left me on my toes and not to quick to believe everyone who says that they are a christian. So just ask God yourself for wisdom to know the truth because the bible says you have not because you ask not and the bible also says that the Lord will let you know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free. And remember that the devil wants you to be deceived and he wants to keep you from getting the blessing of accepting the truth because what Brian does is not about him but blessing others which includes You if you receive it!

  94. I do belive God can use anyone and anything. I belive the man of God had the vision and it’s true. God will use you and still send you to hell. Remember when the bible talks about how people will be saying BUT GOD I PREACHED IN YOUR NAME. And he will say depart from me for I NEVER knew you. R Kelly is not saved he has said it him self how ever people have still been saved through his song “He saved me”

  95. First of all, look at the name of this website: Gay Christians Movemnet watch. What in the world is this mess???

    GCMW: Please read the About and beliefs pages to find out what “this mess” is?

    There is no such thing as being a gay Christian just as there is no such thing as being any other kind of sinning Christian. Since we came to Christ, we have become new creatures. All the things we used to do are passed away. Sin is no longer our master. We are now saints who just sin occaisonally but are slaves to righteousness. OF COURSE THEY WILL BE MAD ABOUT A PREACHER CALLING OUT SIN. NO BODY EVER WANTS TO BE TOLD THEY ARE WRONG! KNOW THIS, WE CANT SEREVE TWO MASTERS.


  96. This is to brother T who made the comment about Prophet Brian carns website being worldly. He said that his legs were open,That means he is a man not a woman. A man is taught to sit with his legs open not closed like women. That comment was so wired and off the wall.

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