"Several hundred" congregations break from progay Lutheran denom

Very good news even if small in context. The Associated Press reports that “several hundred” Lutheran congregations are breaking ranks with the homosexual affirming leadership of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America:

A new Lutheran denomination is being formed for congregations opposed to the homosexual-friendly policy of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
Last August, the ELCA national assembly voted to allow pastors in committed same-sex relationships. Opponents say the new policy contradicts scripture, and have announced plans to establish the North American Lutheran Church, a new denomination that will recruit dissident congregations.
Several hundred congregations are moving toward a permanent split with the ELCA, but so far that’s a small portion of the 10,000-church denomination.
Leaders of Lutheran CORE, an activist group that led opposition to the homosexual clergy policy, hope to have the North American Lutheran Church up and running by August.

When denominational leadership outright rejects clear biblical truth, its time remove whatever money, resources and people you can from their clutches. If you are thinking possible reconciliation, think again. Homosexual activists would sooner teleport back to Sodom than change their beliefs that homosexuality is unnatural. The real stumbling block is something that we all know will never change. Look here if you’re clueless.

You can learn more about Lutheran CORE and their efforts on their website.

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20 thoughts on “"Several hundred" congregations break from progay Lutheran denom

  1. Amazing!

    You know we are nearing the end times when ALL denominations are embracing this lifestyle. Whether it is Pentecostal arminian like COGIC to reformed like Lutheran and everything in between the Church has become a haven for deviance.

    Lord Jesus return quickly!

    Kyle

  2. This is great news!!!

    Its always good to see that some will stand for truth even if its a little in comparison. I am reminded of the rejoicing in heaven when one turns to Christ.

    I am praising The LORD for this!!!!

  3. gcmwatch (author) said:

    Amen Paul. I think the bible calls that a “remnant”.

    and a “little flock”

  4. I remain shocked that a rather murky moral issue like this has the ability to split a denomination. It seems that rather than dialogue and attempt to come to some level of mutual understanding, so many american Christians feel that they must sever with those who do not accept the same systematic theology as themselves. All of us come to different conclusions after studying the scriptures and all of us have differing theologies, God works through us nonetheless. Perhaps we could learn a lesson from God’s loving-kindness and focus on a unity of mission rather than a unity of doctrine.

    As always, peace upon all of you. 🙂

  5. Aaron: There is nothing “murky” about the Word of God on this
    issue. God’s word is very clear.
    What is murky is your foolish acceptance of this nonsense and your
    lame attempt to make it sound as if something is wrong when a
    denomination determines to follow the Word of God and not the
    gibberish of men and their heretical explanation of Holy Writ.
    Aaron, save your peace out slogan. There will be no peace when
    doctrine divides, as it should, right from wrong and good from evil.
    Nice try…but no cigar.
    Your so called profession of “shock” is an act. You will get no converts here with your sappy exegesis of God’s word.

  6. murky?

    Don’t have sex with a man as one does with a woman. That is abhorrent. Leviticus 18:22

    Thats from one of the most hippest, up to date versions there is. What is “murky” about that?

  7. @ Lafe:

    Would you work to feed the hungry and clothe the poor with a church that wasn’t ex-gay in its’ theology? What if they were Armenian or Calvinist, or if they baptized infants? Female leaders? Apostolic succession? Do you really believe that it’s necessary to totally agree doctrinally before we can acknowledge one another as brothers in Christ?

    I’m not saying that you should change your theology, I’m just saying that maybe we should overlook some of our differences in order to fulfill Christ’s wish that we would all be one as He and the Father are one.

    We all think that our theology is correct, as a liberal Christian, I cannot imagine holding your biblical position with integrity, but I recognize that you believe in your understanding of the Bible with genuine conviction.

    Let us hold fast to the essentials of the Nicene Creed and work together as a single Body. As one theologian stated, “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, diversity and in all things, charity.”

    This issue isn’t in the Nicene Creed, so I don’t see why it is dividing Christians.

  8. @ gcmwatch(author)

    If you would like to present evidence that this is not about ceremonial uncleanliness, I’m ready to listen.

    Would you not agree that the hebrew for abomination is linked with this uncleanliness rather than some moral absolute? Lev. 11: 10-12

  9. Aaron, please take a hike and take that trashy nonsense with you. Thats the best advice I can give you.

  10. My first though on reading this article reminded me of 1John 3:2-3 …’when he appears we shall be like him and we shall see Him as he is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.’ The time is here when everything that can be shaken will be shaken. Thank the Lord that a ‘remnant’ has separated themselves from their apostate counterpart. I am also reminded of what happened the day same-sex unions were accepted by Evangelical Lutherans as reported on Robert Gagnon’s website.

    The picture http://www.robgagnon.net/centrallutheranchurchsteeple.jpg is of the steeple of the Central Lutheran Church in downtown Minneapolis. Note the cross at the top, which snapped on Aug. 19, 2009 after it was struck by a tornado and then dangled upside down. Central Lutheran Church was at the time being used by the ELCA during its Churchwide Assembly (held in the convention center across the street) as the home base church for the assembly delegates. It was also a gathering place for homosexualist groups. The tornado that touched down in downtown Minneapolis was the first to do so in 90 years. It touched down at approximately 2 PM, the time slated at the assembly to begin discussion to approve the new sexuality statement. The weather forecast for the area that day did not expect severe storms. The Churchwide Assembly adopted the new sexuality statement permitting the blessing of homosexual unions and the enrollment as active pastors persons who engage unrepentantly in homosexual practice by a vote of 66.6% (recall–and here I am being a bit tongue-in-cheek–the number of the beast in Rev 13:16-17). Rich symbolism indeed, for the upside-down cross is a profound image of the inversion of God’s will for human sexual pairing promoted by the ELCA in its transitional allowance of homosexual practice (with full acceptance now inevitable in the not-too-distant future).

  11. Thanks Michael and thats the truth of the matter. But even such rich symbolism and signs (from God I believe) still did not turn the hard and wicked hearts of ECLA leadership. They were bound and determined to do this no matter what. And those faithful to God’s word had no choice but to separate themselves.

    Some things yes we can agree to disagree as they are not critical to the foundations of our common faith. But the expression of sexuality touches on just about every basic belief we have including the nature of God himself.

    As it were, this is wickedness straight out of the agenda book of the antichrist whose spirit called the “mystery of iniquity” (1 Thess 2:6) is already at work in the earth.

  12. Aaron,

    “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.”

    Proverbs 14:34

    Its funny how the devil can so decieve someone that they actually think what they are saying is sincere? I think that why Jesus said, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.”

    You never ever do anything with people who claim to be in the kingdom but yet ok immorailty. So Aaron, no we dont feed the poor with gay affirming Churches.

    I Corinthians 5:
    9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who CALLS HIMSELF A BROTHER but is SEXUALLY IMMORAL or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

    emotionalism will send you straight to hell.

  13. Aaron, in all my years of studying the scriptures, this is what I’ve found regarding this topic…

    Listed below are the top 5 scripture verses that speak approvingly of homosexuality:

    1.
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    5.

    If you know of any other verses I’ve missed, which make any kind of provision for gay marriage or relationships, please feel free to point them out to us here. Thanks.

  14. I think now, more than ever before, a person who’s looking to join a local church needs to ask questions of the leader(s) before becoming a member. Perhaps we always needed to do that, but I never saw that as a priority growing up.
    I witnessed people visiting a church once, twice, maybe several times, and if the preacher made them feel good and the people were friendly, they joined.
    We can’t do that anymore.
    People need to research a church like they research for a home.
    Just like a house, a local church may be beautiful on the outside and may make you feel fuzzy when you’re inside, but how strong and true is the foundation?
    This article proves to me that regardless of what denomination you belong to, if you even belong to one at all, you need to ask questions – questions about what the denomination believes as a whole, what the leaders in that particular congregation believe and yet more importantly, what they actually teach from the pulpit.
    It is simply not enough to join a church because it makes you feel good – those days are over. Doctrine has now been trivialized and in this postmodern age, it’s a conforming-seeking social gospel rather than the true one and we need to know with whom we associate.
    Now, with the politics of homosexuality tearing its way throughout the Church, we really need to be wise when becoming affiliated with people who simply call themselves Christians.

    Good for those Lutheran congregations that have pulled away; my prayer for every individual within those groups is that they remain true to the Word of God in spite of ridicule that we all know is sure to come.

  15. Thats is so true Angela.

    The thing about the warm fuzzy feeling is that it is so addictive, even after you realize that nothing is being taught many become satisfied because they believe the feeling makes up for the lack of sound teaching.

    I remember the days when all I wanted was some good praise and worship but now I am trying to find a good bible teaching church even if it is deemed “boring”. The word keeps and transforms. Not that I am against having a celebration in Christ but it must be balanced.

    Blessings!

  16. To Aaron,

    Why do “gay” people need affirmation from non-gays? Your position is erroneous. You said “I’m just saying that maybe we should overlook some of our differences in order to fulfill Christ’s wish that we would all be one as He and the Father are one.” In other words “let us work together in the church.” WRONG!

    You skipped John 17:6 which says “I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me OUT OF THE world.” John 17:9 Jesus continues by saying “I am NOT praying for the world but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.” There is a clear separation.

    With your premise, alcoholics can say they want to promote alcoholism in the church because although the bible mentions strong drink that concept is old and doesn’t mean the same today. How about them claiming “God made them alcoholics” or if they petition the government to remove the age limit so everyone can indulge?

    Ultimately the gay movement in the church is about denying Christ and the Word of God. If you think you can stand AGAINST God’s word, don’t change.

    To Christians,

    This message I leave for all true Christians — God is NOT going to let gay people take over the church. Gay people are social and not spiritual. They can’t hear from God because they are deaf. Therefore they can’t operate in the prophetic. They have to talk or listen to Christians in order to know what God is saying or doing.

    One of the reasons why gays infiltrated the COGIC is because they heavily speak in tongues — a spiritual language they can’t understand. A strong attack is waged against the COGIC. The denomination is actually going to split because of the gay movement. Gay people will believe they destroyed the denomination because many will leave and leaders will fall, but God is simply separating the wheat and tares.

    You have to be very keen when dealing with gay people. They have one goal and that is to separate from God PERIOD. Stand your ground and keep up the good work @gcmwatch. Unfortunately, everybody will not be saved. Remember 1 out of 3 angels fell.

    THE WORD OF GOD WILL STAND FOREVER!

  17. The comments left here compelled me to comment, contrary to my initial instinct.

    Is this attitude humble?
    GCMW: Yes, I think it is.

    Is it Christian?
    GCMW: Absolutely, its biblical

    Does it demonstrate that we truly believe God’s grace to be sufficient?
    GCMW: It demonstrates that rebellion against God will come to no good end.

    Does it show the world that unity is in Christ?
    GCMW: Light and darkness has no unity.

    Regardless of who is right–does such anger and disrespect win any one over to your side?
    GCMW: There’s only God’s side.

    And, in the end, does it show that faith in Christ for salvation from our utter depravity is what matters; or, rather, does it show that we believe that holding to individual doctrines (i.e. works) saves us?
    GCMW: Who mentioned works? This is about obedience.

    It is only by the grace of God that I am saved. I am surely going to hell if it is through my becoming doctrinally pure that I am allowed into the presence of Almighty God. I hope that we can heartily agree on at least this point.

  18. My humble advice to all Lutherans in the ELCA.

    Run

    This is all part of the “falling away” that is occurring in these last days. The leadership is spiritually dead. God’s Word is perfectly clear. We are seeing many main line denominations no longer using the Word of God as their moral compass. This makes them so Spiritually dead that they are unable to hear from God.

    I implore all to return to the Word of God. There is power in this word to reveal truth that is consistent throughout history. The precision of it’s message from the OT to the NT is there and is confirmed by the Holy Spirit. There is no controversy.

    Jesus spoke very clearly about the heart condition of the Scribes and the Pharisees of his day. He called them whitewashed sepulchers. They looked good on the outside but were totally dead on the inside. Please pray and ask the Holy Spirit to show you the truth.

    I thank all of you that are pursuing this. Homosexuality is contrary to God’s creeation. He made man and animals Male and Female and it was GOOD. End of discussion.

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