Sex in the Church: Does the Black Church Need Sex Education? Part 1

By Shofarsound

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“Why Dodge the Sex Question?”  Is Sexual Immorality Destroying the African American Community?
In November 1929 Rev. Adam Clayton Powell Sr. (pictured) published a series of sermons on sexual perversion. Powell claimed sexual perversion was steadily increasing in large American cities, particularly among women and ministers.  During this time many Black men and women left their spouses for members of the same sex.  Powell stated that homosexuality was one of the powers that debased a race of people.  It also caused a rejection of familial responsibility that held the black community together and therefore, made it a viable political entity.  He further went on to state that there was an increase in the number of black ministers who placed their own desires for personal gratification, prestige, and wealth over the interest of their congregation.  Having a sense of entitlement was at the root of homosexuality[source].
Rev. Powell instituted sex education classes in his church taught by medical doctors.  To his critics Powell replied, “why dodge the sex question?”  He stated that ignorance was the reason so many diseases spread. Didn’t Hosea 4:6 say, “…my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge?”

adamclaytonpowell jrAlmost sixty years ago the late Harlem US congressman Reverend Adam Clayton Powell Jr. wrote an article entitled, “Sex in the Church.”  Appearing in the November 1951 issue of Ebony Magazine, the article first spoke about the need for sex education in the African-American Church.  Revered Powell told a story about an unidentified pastor’s grief over the death of his handsome and talented personal male assistant. Powell described the funeral of that of a scene out of Arabian nights with a lavish spread of flowers and a very expensive coffin.  But what Powell found most disturbing was the preacher’s quavering voice, tear soaked eyes and shaking body.  The pastor even attempted to leap into the casket!  He went on to write that the minister’s broken sobs were those of someone who had just lost his lover. As it turned out, the two had been involved in an unnatural relationship for a number of years and the entire congregation knew about it.  Today this “man of God” is one of the most powerful and respected Negro pastors in all America.  The preacher Powell was referring to was Detroit Prophet Jones (James Francis Jones) and his longtime companion James Walton.  Jones was said to be very flamboyant and exhibited feminine tendencies.  And he himself admitted that he lived differently from other men!

Powell Jr. was absolutely right when he said there was a need for sex education with all the homosexuality that was taking place in the Black Church.  However, Powell Jr. was no saint either.  He committed adultery on his first wife [source]!

Adam Clayton Powell Senior and Junior had timeless messages that are still relevant today.  If we fast forward to the twenty first century we see the rampant homosexuality that is taking place in the gospel music industry.  We hear more and more about sexual abuse cases, mega-superstar preachers committing adultery, down-low brothers and all other sorts of sexual perversion.  What happened to holiness and sanctification?

Our church leadership has failed in the area of promoting sexual purity and standing on the principles of God’s Word when it comes to this subject.  For the most part, they have been muted from speaking out against immorality across the pulpit.  There are pastors who will look away at the immoral lifestyle of their talented singers, preachers, and prophets.  As long as they draw a crowd and bring in money, they will choose to believe that God is endorsing their sinful people.  They love prophets that “prophet lie” and  prophesy blessings, instead of the truth.  Isaiah 56:10-11 says, “His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea they are greedy dogs which can never have enough and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.” They won’t bark out against the sexual immorality that is taking place in the four walls of the church and it brings a reproach on the Church of Jesus Christ because of the hypocrisy.

When God gave Moses the Torah, it just wasn’t just a book of arbitrary laws.  It was a book of instructions for the nation to live by and to be separated unto YHWH.  It taught the people to be “sanctified in their own sexuality” and to not take on the sexual practices of pagan Gentile nations. Leviticus 18:3 says, “After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.” The entire chapter of Leviticus 18 was dedicated in instructing Israel to abstain from unlawful sexual relations and to follow the Torah.  In short, it educated the nation of Israel on “sanctified sexuality.”  This made the nation of Israel very different from any other nation at the time because the Gentile nations had no sexual boundaries.

Here in the United States a whopping 78% of Americans identify with being a Christian.  But it seems that a lot of Americans are not practicing what they profess they are.   Are we really practicing Christianity or are we practicing Satanism?  As Christians we follow what is said in 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5, “What God wants is that you be holy, that you keep away from sexual immorality, that each of you know how to manage his sexual impulses in a holy and honorable manner, without giving in to lustful desires, like the pagans who don’t know God.” Are Christians that don’t abstain from sexual immorality really Satanist by de facto?  The first commandment of Satanism is  indulgence instead of abstinence and this promotes self indulgence of the flesh. 

The United States boasts the highest percentage of professional evangelicals in the industrialized world.  According to polls, 46 percent of Americans consider themselves to be born-again with the highest percentage in the African-American community at 59 percent[source].  However, America has the highest percentage of single parent homes, the highest abortion rate, the highest sexually transmitted diseases rate, and the highest teenage birth rate.  Isn’t it funny that one in three Americans or 90 million people  claim to be born-again[ source]?

Sex education is most needed in the Church!   We just can’t depend on the federal government or school system to teach sex education to our children.  Its taught from worldly point of view, and not from the standpoint of the Word of God. Even adults within the Church need to be taught the disciplines of sanctified sexuality in the context according to the Word of God.

Planned Parenthood is not a viable options either to teach sex education to the church. They teach kids that masturbation is safe and healthy and that using condoms is way to practice safe-sex.  What they fail to tell you is that a person can contract a sexually transmitted disease (STD) through skin on skin contact and not just the exchange of fluids. The group also teaches that if a person can’t practice abstinence, than s/he can use lower risk activities such as: manual stimulation, mutual masturbation (phone-sex, cybersex, etc.), erotic massage, kissing, body rubbing, or oral sex[source].  Abortion is a tool for birth control, and to eliminate unwanted pregnancy.  Planned Parenthood definitely does not promote the biblical-based teaching that God created sex for the enjoyment and confinement of marriage between a husband and wife.

Has sexual immorality devastated the Black Community?

Does the Black Church need sex education?

Has the Black Church been impacted by sexual immorality?

Part Two of, “Does the Black Church Need Sex Education” will examine these questions.

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34 thoughts on “Sex in the Church: Does the Black Church Need Sex Education? Part 1

  1. The Jews of old didn’t allow males (and presumably females) to read Song of Solomon until they reached a certain age because they didn’t want them to be tempted beyond what they had the wisdom and maturity to bear. The church should not be in competition with Planned Parenthood or any other secular outfit. Instead, it should plainly do as it always has, which is to teach what the Bible says about sexual sin, and use the church discipline process to deal with those who refuse to submit to the Bible’s authority. The church cannot deal with the problems of the unregenerate. The idea that it can and it should has long been an avenue for Satan to attack the church, because it ultimately results in a church that accommodates the unsaved people who wish to remain in their sinful ways. The church can only win converts from the unregenerate, and teach and disciple those who are saved. Those who are born again and experiencing sexual issues (i.e. married couples having intimacy problems, single people dealing with temptation, homosexual attraction) should come forward, confess their faults to the elders (James 5:16) so that they can receive counseling and prayer in a wise, prudent manner that is worthy of the body of Jesus Christ. If the elders make the determination that a person struggling with these issues needs professional help, then they should use their liberty to direct any individual member to an appropriate professional capable of providing it just as they would send a seriously ill person to a doctor or hospital.

    The statistics that you stated: the result of a lack of church discipline where churches no longer remove people from their rolls for sexual immorality, so these people continue in this behavior uncorrected. The way to fix this is not to make the pulpit a forum for coarse, base, prurient topics. Scripture itself when discussing these issues relied on euphemisms and left a lot of things not explicitly said … unlike other ancient literature from that time and place, the Bible never gets graphic, coarse or randy. We are to follow the Bible’s example.

    The idea that sin, whether it is sexual sin or any other, can or should be overcome with education is rooted in liberal theology and in other humanistic approaches that deny original sin. Sinners are going to sin, and people raised in a society that promotes and exalts sin are going to sin even more. Other than prayer and evangelism, there isn’t anything we can do about what goes on in the larger society. Note that the New Testament, from Jesus Christ in the gospels to His apostles in the epistles, do absolutely nothing to address sin in society at large other than to acknowledge that it was going on and state that God was going to judge it. That is a key difference between the Old Testament prophets – who DID address societal sin problems because in the Old Testament the ecclesia, the church WAS the society, as Israel was God’s elect nation and people – and the New Testament figures, who largely ignored the problems in the Roman Empire and the world to focus on those of the church called out of the world.

    So, the message of the church to the world: be born again lest you perish for eternity, and don’t come inside this church with your hard hearts and stiff necks unless you are going to submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ and be born again. The message of the church to the church: this is what the Bible says, and obey the Bible. If you have any problems obeying the Bible, come see the elder board for counseling and prayer so that we can help you obey. If you don’t want to obey the Bible, there’s the door. This goes for all sins, sexual sins included.

    So, to the born again people in the church who desire to obey the Bible because God has replaced their hearts of stone with hearts of flesh (2 Corinthians 3:3), the sex education program is simple. Do not commit adultery. Do not commit fornication. Fornication and adultery includes impure thoughts so do not consume pornography or anything else that will put that into your mind (including practically all entertainment produced today, including a lot of “gospel” and “Christian” songs and videos). Do not covet someone else’s spouse, or harbor attraction, desire, or fascination for anyone but your own spouse. And homosexuality is an abomination, along with bestiality and incest. Anyone who needs to understand what this stuff means, needs more details, or is having trouble adhering to this, come see the elder board. But if you understand what it means and don’t think that it applies to you, there’s the door.

    All of those things are in the Bible, and that is all that needs to be said. Why does there need to be anything more? I will give you the three reasons.

    A. People who don’t want to live by it, and for that reason “sex education in the church” means continually hounding pastors until they can get them to either endorse or fail to oppose their lifestyles of adultery, fornication, coveting, pornography and homosexuality.

    B. People who simply want to sit up in the church and be entertained by randy sex talk, who want the same type of titillation in the church that they get at the comedy club, at the movies, on TV, in music, etc.

    C. People who think that it is the job of the church to reform society and address all of these social, political, economic etc. ills, who have little interest in the church unless it is an education/welfare/political action tool, folks who are concerned with this world instead of the world to come.

    Well, folks in all three groups are either unsaved or saved but carnal (spiritually immature). The unsaved people need to either be saved or leave, and the carnal need to either get themselves on the road to spiritual maturity or leave. Because aiming your church programs at those two groups of people will inevitably lead to churches that are base, irreverent and carnal in the way that they conduct worship and church business, and that state of affairs will be to the detriment of everyone in that church who is trying to learn more about the Lord and to serve Him.

    Whenever Christians try to compete with the world, the world wins, every single time, because that is playing Satan’s game by Satan’s rules on Satan’s turf. The only way that we can prevail is by going about God’s business and doing it God’s way. That way, the battle is already won because God is the One doing the fighting.

    If anything, Powell’s words, though they contain a great deal of truth, reveal the fruitlessness of the approach. The reason is that his program of using the church as a sex education program totally failed to change the sexual behavior of the larger Harlem community that he was trying to reform. If it didn’t work then, it won’t work now.

    God’s Word is for the church. It saves the church (by it being the basis for preaching the gospel to the unsaved to win converts), strengthens the church, and governs the church. For those not in the church (by this I means those who will not be saved) God’s Word warns of and brings judgment. And the purpose of the church is to be ministers of – servants of and slaves to – God’s Word and its purposes. The instant we forget about or reject that truth, we veer off the path.

  2. Has sexual immorality devastated the Black Community?
    Yes especially since satan got the fathers out of the home in black black community he has gone practically unhindered.
    1 in every 2 black teens in America has genital herpes.

    Does the Black Church need sex education?

    Every Church needs this taught through men’s and women’s ministry. Teaching the young men as lined out in the Scripture the way to treat your Sisters in Christ before and during marriage is paramount is this day. Same for the women.

  3. laughing @ Job!
    Yeah I started reading your comment two days ago. Ive gotten about halfway through. lol

  4. The Church does need to be educated about sexual morailty. What is happening is that the Church is being overwhelmingly influenced by the world, I think it is due to the seeker freindly movement and the greed as Rev. Adam Clayton Powell Sr said. The problem is as that people dont want to offend or preach messages that affect the numbers of people and money.

    It should come as no surprise that if the Church’s focus is on self and what God can do for us, then people will start to walk in carnality in other areas more than just being rich and “blessed”. You know a big house and all this madness that some claim is a promise of God in this life. Its all carnal.

    This scripture seems to advocate some serious teaching. Not that it should be done from the pulpit (not that it shouldnt) but we can see that the elders both women and men should teach the younger women and men.

    Titus 2
    1 But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine: 2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience; 3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— 4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

    what we are dealing with here is sin and ignorance. Both must be dealt with but if the Church is silent on sexual immorality then we can expect it to get worse.

    Blessings!!

  5. The article is very on point, however it’s the comments/subsequent comments that I might find problematic. Not in content, but the juggling of solutions and responsibility.

    Firstly, realize I am not singling out any one person here. However, I’ve come to understand that with situations like this most know what’s wrong but have no interest in counseling or mentoring their younger brothers and sisters. That’s where the problem starts, as kids. Case in point: before I went off to school, the pastor of my former church had all of the graduating high school seniors stand. A few of us rose (all girls), and he simply said get A’s and don’t get pregnant. Now, I’m not one to take things too seriously, an ability I’m grateful for in the right situations, but to say I was pissed off would be an understatement.

    Ironically, this same pastor was known to be a womanizer/adulterer and got his girlfriend pregnant a few months after he became pastor (this was a couple years before the above incident, when I was about 15). I was very disappointed when those I looked up to–deacons, ministry heads, ect…–pretended like everything going on was normal. The pastor married his girlfriend some 6 or 7 months later, but it was obvious it was a marriage of convenience.

    Once the new pastor stepped in, youths were barely educated in moral values at that church. Any ounce of it was countered by foolish behavior by older youths and adults. I am eternally grateful to have truly accepted the Lord at a young age or I wouldn’t have had the Holy Spirit guiding me on His own. I’ve never had good examples or explanations of what sex is, or to have a healthy relationship, I’ve been figuring that out on my own. Imagine those who don’t have the Lord and are doing the same? The thought scares me, and not having an adequate role model for myself is off-putting as well. For me, this issue has manifested itself into a lot of hopelessness.

    Summed up, it’s easy to point out the problem: the lack of true Christians, and the lack of a strive for holiness. To head a solution yourself though, is something entirely different. Sorry, but weak excuses like kids these days have attitudes, for example, don’t faze me. Unfortunately, and if they’d had a similar overall upbringing and experience as mine growing up, I can understand why some act this way as much of it still boils down to lack of counsel. It’s a vicious cycle. Whole generations are indeed slipping away, but from what I’ve seen the previous ones are providing the WD-40 to make it a smoother ride.

    With alllll of that said (sorry), even though I no longer have a home church or anything, I’ve started a program in conjunction with a community center to kick my own self in the behind and act as well. I’m not much older than the teens I work with, but it’s helping them.

    Again, this isn’t to single any one commenter out! I just realize if everyone points fingers, all you’ll end up with is a looser grip. Hopefully this and the next post create some proactive dialogue. If I jumped the gun a bit with this comment I apologize :).

  6. bliss:

    Allow me to say that if I am whom your comment is directed, I would take no offense whatsoever. After all, you are essentially taking the position of the post’s author, and it was I who voiced disagreement to it. So if it helps this dialogue any and at all, I personally volunteer to have all fingers pointed at me! 🙂 I know what Pastor Foster and shofarsound are trying to accomplish here and I fully support it.

    Having said that, allow me to say that your experience is similar to mine in the church that I grew up. However, how can a church give its children – or anyone else for that matter – moral instruction if the church members and leaders are themselves immoral? Such a synagogue of Satan is nothing more than blind guides who will lead everyone to fall into a ditch that Jesus Christ spoke of regarding the Pharisees.

    It takes moral people – those who are born again and spiritually mature – to successfully impart moral instruction by word and deed. If you are not born again or if you are born again but carnal, you cannot impart a consistent, effective moral message on any issue, sexuality being only one. After all, you stated

    “Summed up, it’s easy to point out the problem: the lack of true Christians, and the lack of a strive for holiness.”

    That is all that I was saying. Except that you were much more concise!

    I’ve never had good examples or explanations of what sex is, or to have a healthy relationship, I’ve been figuring that out on my own.

    Well, you need the Holy Spirit and the guidance of a born again, spiritually mature pastor/teacher to help you in that issue, including individual counseling. I have never denied that. I only stated that such topics should be handled prudently and discreetly. Going to the elder board for guidance and counseling is different from addressing adult themes in sermons before the whole church.

    Imagine those who don’t have the Lord and are doing the same? The thought scares me, and not having an adequate role model for myself is off-putting as well.

    Another major point of mine. Those who do not have the Lord need the Lord. If they are unsaved, then it is not so much that they should not be expected to lead moral lives as it is that even if they do lead moral lives it won’t do them any good.

    For me, this issue has manifested itself into a lot of hopelessness.

    Well, I would imagine that the Apostle Paul experienced a lot of similar emotions as a single man sitting in one of those cold, cruel Roman jails. The key is to heed Paul’s Holy Spirit inspired commands to put no confidence in the flesh – to not trust our emotions – and instead to believe and hold fast to the promises of God. And one of the promises of God is that we will face trials, turmoils, trouble and struggles in many areas of our lives that are part of God’s work transforming us into the image of His Son. Problems in specific areas reveal certain issues that we have that God wants us to come to grips with and confess to Him so that we may be healed. The process is not supposed to be quick or easy. Also, consider our climate. The environment that we live in conditions the old man, the flesh. In order to be Christlike, the Holy Spirit must overcome the old man … we must die to self daily in our walk with Jesus Christ.

    So, our environment living in America is VERY sexually immoral. We are fully immersed in it from the time that we are born: music, movies, TV, magazines … you can’t even go buy an orange at the grocery store without being exposed to the smut in the checkout line.

    We get conditioned to that stuff and think that it is natural, part of life, when it is actually a perverse defiance of God’s commandments. So with the flesh (the old man) being brought up and conditioned in that environment, it is no wonder that having normal, healthy relationships is hard. The vast majority of us have no idea what normal, healthy and non-exploitative means. It really is no different from how it is very hard to grow up in certain areas without becoming a drug dealer or joining a gang. A lot of what Satan does is not so much to attack individual people – though that certainly goes on – but to create sinful societies and cultures where people will be conditioned to sin as part of their regular mindset with no idea what they’re doing or thinking is wrong.

    And it is not new. Look at the New Testament … half the church had to overcome their conditioning to legalism (the Jews) and the other half had to overcome their pagan backgrounds (the Gentiles) and when they tried to worship together it created more problems still (the Roman and Galatian epistles for instance).

    It is great that you are ministering to teens. However, in the course of doing so, do not neglect the help that you yourself need, and a good local church where you can be around people going through the same things that you have for encouragement and you can receive instruction from elders and ministers is the best place for it. Remember what Jesus Christ told to Mary and Martha in Luke 10:38-42 … Mary, the one who was taking care of her own needs first was preferred over Martha, the one who put her own needs to the side while she went about serving others. If nothing else, being like Mary will make you a more effective servant to the community center teens that you are working with.

    Wow, this is still like very long. Oh well, the best that I could do!

  7. Bliss, one more question. In your service to the youth (which is great) is preaching the gospel a part of that, if not a part of the direct teaching how do you get it in?

    What I got from the article is that the Church should teach those who claim to be followers of Christ about sexual morality. was I wrong in this?

  8. Paul N:

    What I got from the article is that the Church should teach those who claim to be followers of Christ about sexual morality. was I wrong in this?

    I will answer your question with another question. What evidence is there that Christ-centered Bible-teaching churches haven’t always done that? Especially when sexual immorality is such a major theme of the Bible? Examples:

    1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

    Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

    So, any church that does not deal with sexual morality when it is a major theme of the Bible, touching nearly all of the major Bible doctrines, is simply not a Bible-teaching church. So, as opposed to saying “does the black church need sex education” the assertion should be “the black church needs to be Christ-oriented and Bible teaching.”

    If churches – whether black, white, Hispanic, Messianic Jewish, Asian, Arab, Pacific Islander – are not Bible teaching Christ oriented churches, what good is a sex education program going to do that church or anyone who goes there? Fix the major problem, which is churches that aren’t teaching the Bible and leading people to Jesus Christ centered lives, and everything that goes along with it will be fixed also. Otherwise, you are just putting pretty gift-wrapping paper and a nice little bow on a rusty garbage can filled to the brim with trash.

    Like bliss said:

    Summed up, it’s easy to point out the problem: the lack of true Christians, and the lack of a strive for holiness.

    Christ-centered Bible teaching churches are already dealing with “sex education”, not so much because of the social problems of the black or any other community, but because of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which reads “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Notice how that short text explicitly states that those who cheat on their spouses (adulterers), those who have sex outside of marriage (fornicators), those who are homosexuals (effeminate/abusers of themselves with mankind) and those who desire others spouses (covetous) are covered there. People for whom this type of thing is a lifestyle will burn in the lake of fire for eternity. I am sorry, but a church who fails to preach I Corinthians 6:9-10 and the many texts like it on a regular basis is not a Bible-teaching Christ-centered church, and that is the problem. Add a sex education program to a false or dead church and what do you have? A false or dead church with a sex education program. The solution is either for the church to heed the warnings of Revelation chapters 2 and 3, or for Christians to leave or avoid such false and dead churches for good Christ centered Bible teaching ones.

  9. Job and Bliss I would argue that is the consistent —and holistic— application of biblical instruction on sex and sexuality which is missing from the black church. Yes, something is being taught, but it has been severely inneffective due to personal influences, cultural influences and negative spiritual influences.

    We can see the result of wrong division of the word on sexuality all around us. The evidence suggests either two things: wrong teaching or widespread rebellion.

  10. My comment truly wasn’t directed at anyone; I hadn’t yet read any responses actually. I wrote it on my way out this morning.

    To Paul’s first response: I had no issues whatsoever, I was more so voicing an off-shoot of the post to other visitors. I should have added more disclaimers, lol. In a lot less sentences, I wanted those of us who read what gcmwatch said go on to be proactive. I see a lot of people get fired up about issues, which they should be, but how about kicking those problems in the teeth ourselves? Literally you or I? One way I’m being a thorn in the side of my old church is speaking with current members and helping them compare the watered down teachings with the Bible. The administration doesn’t seem to care for that. 🙂

    Second response: Yes, preaching the Gospel is the core of it. You can think of it as a Christian after school program. For these kids it’s probably a bad idea to stand in front of to speak, especially since they just came from school. Instead it’s a lot of one-on-one and group time. Sometimes we mix in irrelevant stuff (we actually had a half-hour or so long debate on whether Target or Walmart was better, I argued for Target, haha), but other times it’s important things akin to Bible studies or discussions. I also work with others who share topics dealing with sex education. I’m in no position to do so, we usually have married folk do this.

    I agree with you gcmwatch, I didn’t go far back enough along the chain of who’s doing and learning what. You can certainly have spiritually dead and misinformed teachers, mentors, ect… Unadulterated biblical teaching is on a life support in the black church these days. It’s disheartening that I had to go the route of outsourcing it rather than using the church to help fix things–they’re the problem.

  11. You can think of it as a Christian after school program.

    Sorry to laugh but [lol!!!!!]. It reminds me of what a pastor friend told me once it was like “adult day care”.

  12. Pastor, I would say both wrong teaching and widespread rebellion is at work.

    I went to a church that taught about sexual purity and I know that many in the Church take fornication as a joke. Actually they have no desire for God as far as I can see, no fruit!

    I have come to question those people who are living sexual immoral lifes absent of guilt and convinction, are they saved. What I believe is happening at times is the Church is trying to make people behave like Christians when they need to be saved.

    Job, on the other hand I know that many who claim to be pastors never touch the subject of sexual morality.

  13. This is so on point.

    This past sunday @ church, I saw soooo many flamboyant guys and masculine girls dressed and walking like boys that I couldn’t even get into the weak sermon being preached. There isn’t any word of conviction coming from the pulpit, so these youngsters don’t have any true biblical understanding of proper gender identification or truly what it means to be converted and to live for the Lord. It was sad….it is sad to see what’s happening. So what are we going to do?

  14. JamesP, I am with Bliss we have to start speaking up.

    I too have visited a church where some of the young women were dressed up like men, and I go back and there is no change. Something has to be said.

  15. One of the questions I always have is…is this person a member of this church or do they just attend? I guess in one instance it wouldnt matter, the leader should still teach right on sexuality.

  16. At times I wonder if these statistics are truly accurate.

    According to what I read and hear, it seems as though blacks have a high number of just about everything, as far as illness & diseases go, and that baffles me given the relatively low percentage of us here in this country.

    I’m not denouncing these statistics, I just question them. And not out of denial, but rather out of puzzlement.
    It just doesn’t seem to add up to me.

    But whether these numbers are inflated or not, they’re depressing nonetheless.

  17. Angela I guess to put it in context our community is disproportionately affected by just about every negative trend that shows up in this country from drugs, unemployment, sex diseases, abortion, education, diseases in general, religious schemes, etc.

    That’s why our communal redemption is in Christ alone. I cant stress that enough. I really dont know about other ethnicities and their problems but we are in perpetual crisis. I cant help but believe it is largely because as a group we have forsaken the GOD who brought us out of slavery. We’re “religious” but I dont think there’s a real connection to God. And whatever resolution and solution we pursue, including the one for abortion, it cannot exclude a personal and corporate return to God and his standards of righteousness.

    Those are my thoughts.

  18. Pastor Foster, you have said it. You said it right there when you wrote: ‘We’re “religious” but I dont think there’s a real connection to God.’

    I see it, you see it, the readers of this blog see it, outsiders see it. It’s true, and if we had nothing to base this statement on but the information that you put on this blog (i.e. your articles), we would be justified in saying so.
    Hence all the anger, annoynace and frustration with the junk that has permeated and is still permeating the black Church.

    At times I’m truly at a loss for words regarding it all.

  19. I must say I am in in total agreeement with Job. I would also like to add that I personally believe that sex education should be taught in the home. Parents need to be educated on the matter so they can teach their children. As far as the Body of Christ is concerned, as we grow in holiness, older saints should encourage younger saints to live pure lives, in order to glorify God.

    The problem with the “visible church”, is just that, it is the “visible church”. The “visible church” is made up of the Church and the lost and it will be so until the end.
    The parable of the weeds
    Matthew 13:24-30 (New International Version)

    The Parable of the Weeds Explained
    36Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
    37He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, 39and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.

    40″As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

  20. roscoe, where do we start with the teaching? If the parents are ignorant then we are back to square one. That then leaves schools which will then teach youth that fornication and homosexuality is ok. In a perfect world thats good but when you have sinful parents and a sinful world that fails on a whole before it even starts for many.

    What this article is talking about is should the Church teach sex education. If it is the older that should teach the younger, then so be it. That still says that the Church should teach about sexual purity.

  21. Paul, ignorance does not abducate responsibility. It is the duty of parents to teach their children. Our first duty as parents is to teach our children a reverential fear of the Most High God. Where there is a fear of God, there is a desire to please and obey Him. This is what God wants of us and it does not change because there is sin in the world.

    Education cannot restrain the natural man, the nature of the natural man is to sin. Only with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and sanctifiction can there be any restraint, and this comes only with salvation. The unsaved will attend a sex education class given by the “church” and go away and do as they please. Some of those teaching the classes might also be living sexually immoral lives and use the classes as a means of “hooking-up”. I believe, I might be wrong, that the use of the word “church” in the above article meant it in the broadest and most visible sense.

    I understand what you are saying but I truely believe that salvation is the only answer to sexual immorality.

  22. People: The full counsel of God includes comments on our make up as fallen creatures and our redemption in Jesus. That also includes how and why we interact with each other and specifically with members of the opposite sex.
    When you understand that survival and sexual attraction are two of the biggest desires in a person, you must spend some time on
    sexuality issues of which the Bible does not run from.
    The Bible speaks of voyeurism, adultery, fornication, lust,
    envy, pride, greed, foolishness, homosexuality, masturbation,
    incest, great physical love (Song of Solomon),etc…so why does the black church shy from such issues?
    Simple: fear and ignorance and guilt. We fear what teaching such
    subjects could do to the hearer, we are ignorant ourselves of how to present such topics and some are guilty because they are currently involved in suspect and questionable behavior and they
    can not tell others what they themselves do not practice.
    Yes, the youth do need sound Bible teaching on sexuality and identity issues. That is part of the whole counsel of God.
    Our black community is nigh near devastated with black on black crime, drugs, single family homes, unemployment and an apathy for the Word of God.
    The Black church has engaged in a lot of foolishness that is not based in the Word of God because we have lost our first love.
    But, there is forgiveness and restoration found in the Word of God including forgiveness for sexual sins and the omission of
    not teaching the full counsel of God.
    It is now a matter of “stepping out of the boat” and do those things that are beyond our “comfort zone” so that others can be rooted and grounded in the Word of God.
    Churches will need to pray for wisdom and for teachers and preachers who can speak a correct Word of God to the hearer and do so in a manner that is edifying, wholesome, corrective and
    of a good report.

  23. Lafe: “It is now a matter of “stepping out of the boat” and do those things that are beyond our “comfort zone” so that others can be rooted and grounded in the Word of God.
    Churches will need to pray for wisdom and for teachers and preachers who can speak a correct Word of God to the hearer and do so in a manner that is edifying, wholesome, corrective and
    of a good report.”

    Very well said, Lafe.

  24. Lafe,

    Your words, struck w/such heartfeltness (love), sensitivity and wisdom, I’m reminded of what God said to the Prophet Jeremiah, “I will give you pastors and teachers, after mine own heart.” But the catch is will we receive them, as told the Prophet Isaiah, after saying he would go, “know this, they will not receive you.” So many times were caught up in what we “WANT” to receive, rather than what is “TRUE.”

  25. Lafe,

    Your words were well seasoned with wisdom.

    I believe three things that are root cause of African-American Community issues at heart:

    1. Hosea 4:6 People are destroyed for the lack of knowledge and the rejection of knowledge.

    2. Proverbs 14:34, Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. The refusal to live a righteous life before the eyes of God, and to enjoy the pleasures of sin has caused a reproach in the African-American community.

    3. Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all nations that forget God. We know how to do “church”, but in the process we have forgotten God.

  26. Shofarsound, first, welcome to the forum. Second, you are absolutely correct. Ironically enough, one of my FB contacts posted a general question as to why the black family seems to be giong “extinct.” She is one that is heavily involved in church, yet the discussion among her and others (mostly black church-going people) responding to the queston shows the dearth in biblcal knowledge to answer that question. Nearly everyone provided social causes for our spiritual problems. Small wonder “churches” of this day are ineffective.

    “We” know “how to do ‘church'” but know how to do very little else concerning the hard decisions and actions needed to reject sensuality and emmbrace God & His Word. The negative results are numerous and still growing.

    Unless sin is rejected, we, as a demographic, will continue to be plagued with all manner of pathologies guaranteed to bring complete and total destruction among us.

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