BCNN challenges megas to repudiate SOTUS "two fathers" lie

Black Christian News is on it.

Via ExTimes,  we learn that the site has issued a challenge to the nation’s prominent mega pastors to openly repudiate the Barack Obama’s “two fathers” lie issued on Fathers Day.

Here’s what the savior of the US (SOTUS) said:
“Nurturing families come in many forms, and children may be raised by a father and mother, a single father, two fathers, a step  father, a grandfather, or caring guardian.”
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In response, BCNN has placed a call to action on their website urging Christians to tell Obama he’s dead wrong on this.

“Black Christian News has called for the nation’s “Megachurch Pastors and Prophets of God to Publicly Rebuke this unwise President,” according to its website. Explicitly the statement calls for T. D. Jakes, Eddie Long, Charles Black, Charles Stanley, Pat Robertson, Tony Evans, Al Sharpton, Kirbyjon Caldwell, Jesse Jackson, David Jeremiah, Frederick Haynes III, and others to stand up against what it sees as the progress of a homosexual agenda.”

But will they do it? So far, not a peep.

Many Christians fail to realize (or want to realize) that Obama is the political equivalent of Carlton Pearson. His ideology is a political inclusion philosophy which (even as a self proclaimed Christian) drives him to devalue Christ as equal to other religious figures. The Word of God is used only as a social justice prop when convenient.

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46 thoughts on “BCNN challenges megas to repudiate SOTUS "two fathers" lie

  1. President Obama spoke the truth. There are many Fathers who are Gay. My partner is a father thus so am I. Are you suggesting that fathers who are Gay shouldn’t be acknowledged on Father’s day? Or shouldn’t be acknowledged by the President? My partner and I are normal..are you suggesting that we are not? I can understand you viewing gays as sinners..but to suggest that we are “not normal fathers” is quite stupid..

    BTW..President Obama is president of the United States; not the Christian American….his duty is not to his religion but to his country.

  2. Min. Antwoine Williams said: President Obama spoke the truth. There are many Fathers who are Gay. My partner is a father thus so am I. Are you suggesting that fathers who are Gay shouldn’t be acknowledged on Father’s day? Or shouldn’t be acknowledged by the President? My partner and I are normal..are you suggesting that we are not? I can understand you viewing gays as sinners..but to suggest that we are “not normal fathers” is quite stupid..

    President Obama spoke the truth according to the world’s standard but not the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob. God sees you as a dysfunctional sinner MAW, someone who needs to repent. Sure you can play along and get the feel good father’s day card and be happy the President equated your sin with God’s model (man and woman). Still in the end you and the person your engaging sinful acts with will perish.

    Normal isn’t the right word, your practicing a sinful lifestyle choice. Anyway so what if GCMWatch is suggesting that your not normal? Are you going to pick up your red ball and go home, not likely. Stupid is typing a response (like what you did) while recognizing what this website stands for.

    I think Pastor Fosters’ words hit is little close to home for you MAW hence your response.

  3. I think what’s really stupid Robert is BCN urging Black Pastors to speak out against the President’s statement…afterall..I am quite sure the President is aware of the “homophobia” that exist in the Black Church or in the “church” in general. The President wasn’t delivering a “sermon” to the Christian people of America, he was making a speech to ALL of America…you can’t deny that fathers like myself exist; to do so is really stupid.

    Our daugthers love for us is just as normal and right as any daughters or son’s love for their mother or father.

    When Pastor Foster creates post like this, its a little silly…we all know that President Obama views on homosexuality are not the views of many blacks..perhaps I shouldn’t have responded..but I did…mainly because I feel like as a father…Pastor Foster and BCN is suggesting that my “fathering” my daughter is some how “not normal”….

    but anyway…I go back in lurk mode…(I do happen to enjoy this site..read it all the time…its interesting and entertaining)

  4. What isnt normal is saying a same gender relationship is equal (and I daresay honorable) to God’s creative intent. That’s found in Genesis. Sin birthed homosexuality, so for the chief executive to attempt to normalize it —while claiming to be a Christian— deserves condemnation. Not to mention this is degrading to our nation. Righteousness exalts a nation and sin is a reproach to any man.

    No one is contesting the emotion of the child. Al Capone’s child probably loved him dearly despite his rather egregious sins and crimes. Neither is anyone denying that homosexual parents exist. We know they do and its quite obvious. But existence doesnt mean approval or sanction. There are pedophile parents who treat their children well but we dont issue glowing commendations about them. Im sure you would defend the “two fathers” lie because its what youve accepted as normal. So what else is new?
    As stated, that’s not the issue at hand.

    Glad you “enjoy” the site.

  5. Min. Antwoine Williams said: “BTW..President Obama is president of the United States; not the Christian American….his duty is not to his religion but to his country.”

    ….Yet he claims to be a Christian. If he is indeed Christ-like, which is in serious doubt; his primary duty is to uphold the teachings of the Prophets, Jesus, and his Apostles (of the Bible). What he is doing is conveniently attempting to gain man’s approval in the organized church by exploiting the title of Christian. That is what you call deception.

  6. Min. Antwoine Williams said: I think what’s really stupid Robert is BCN urging Black Pastors to speak out against the President’s statement…afterall..I am quite sure the President is aware of the “homophobia” that exist in the Black Church or in the “church” in general.

    Homophobia, that’s so 1995….. If there was one word out there we could identify that is misused more than any other it would be homophobia. 99.9% of the time (including MAW’s use) the word is spoken to silence any dissenters identifying homosexuality for what it is, sin.

    Kind of funny that you would use that term but post lurk here. Kind of like the homosexual Sodomites wanting to be perverse with the angels in Sodom.

  7. MAW:
    So both you and your partner are fathers? How did that happen? Did you adopt? I ask since two men cannot make a child.

    If you utilized invitro fertilization, then you do realize that you took a roundabout way to God’s intended purpose, don’t you? You do know that your DNA and a woman’s DNA created your child, not your mate’s DNA.

    If you did have sexual relations with a woman to produce a child, then what are you? Bisexual, heterosexual or gay? So then you would prove that gay is not an inherent birth characteristic, but a mutable condition, right?

  8. To Ina..

    My partner is the actually biological father. He had sex with a woman over 15 years ago. Technically you can consider him Bisexual, although he identifies himself as a Gay male. He hasn’t been with a woman in over 15 years. Because my partner and I are legally married, I am as well a father to his kid.

    Many Gay men can have a child. The brain and the heart is a powerful tool. A Gay man, if he allows himself can fall in love with a woman and can force himself to even perform sexually..this is a fact and has been proven…the key word is “force”….it doesn’t come “naturally” as it does with someone of the same sex.

    I never said that “having” sex wasn’t a choice..it is a choice to have sex…what isn’t a choice is who you are naturally sexually stimulated by….all of my life a man has stimulated me…doesn’t mean I had sex with them…in fact I didn’t have sex until I was 21…but I knew I was sexually attracted to men years before I ever made the decision to have sex with one..

    I hope you see the difference.

  9. This is a good thing that the BCN has done. The ministers who have gotten rich off of the people need to stand up and speak truth, since they are living high on the hog. They need to be speak the Word of God since they are in the limelight.

    I dont know why homosexual perversion has to be looked upon separately than any other form? Is it right or wrong, not whether? I feel it is right or wrong. What does attraction have to do with it? Some adults are “attracted” to young boys and girls too, are they born that way? is it right? If Attraction is the barometer, then they must have been and it should be ok also?

    Its not normal for a child to think that two fathers is correct, how can it possibly be normal when it is an impossibility? God is not confused, therefore he made man and woman compatible for the sake of having a family.

    Scripture tells us that Marriage is ultimately about Christ and the Church, He is the groom while we the Church are the Bride. A man can obviously not be a bride now can they?

    To force homosexuality as normal according to scripture would pervert the relationship between Christ and His Church. Understand this. God forbid but one would have to twist Scripture to say somewhere Christ and His groom.

    Therefore if marriage represents Christ and His bride, two men cannot be married or you cannot have two fathers in the way the President is saying. Foolishness.

    cont:

  10. Eph 5

    Marriage—Christ and the Church

    22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. 24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
    25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. 28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. 29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. 30 For we are members of His body,[d] of His flesh and of His bones. 31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, BUT I SPEAK CONCERNING CHRIST AND THE CHURCH. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband

    Blessings!
    Sorry if I was too long.

  11. MAW:
    Your explanation is so convoluted, but I thank you because it exposes the true perversion of homosexuality.

    But still, as there is a child involved, I hope that God extends his grace over all three of you.

  12. To Ina

    Really? The only thing it exposes is some people’s lack of knowledge when it comes to sexuality.

    Besides perversion exist in the heterosexuals as well..the # 1 sin in the church isn’t homosexuality; its fornication and adultery….

  13. Besides perversion exist in the heterosexuals as well..the # 1 sin in the church isn’t homosexuality; its fornication and adultery….

    Admitting your lifestyle is sinful is the first step to repentance.

  14. My heart sinks right now for Minister Antwoine,the devil is a liar and he is a deciever and he is decieving you to believe that your lifestyle is ok in God’s eyes, don’t you realize that the devil is anti christ so he is against anything God says or does? Having same sex relations is anti-creation for it goes against God’s perfect creation and plan for humanity, it’s like slapping God in the face when you say its ok for same gender relations. You are saying that God’s plan and creation mean nothing to you and that you are going to do what you want to do.

    Beside the fact that homosexuality is one of the most unhealthy lifestyles a person can engage in, and there are many studies in medical journals that will show how anal sex can lead to an onslaught of dieseases and illness. Not to mention it is mentioned SEVERAL times in the bible that homosexuality is a SIN. But you have been given over to your lusts and you conscience has been seared with a hot iron…If you repent, part of salvation is confessing your sins, but what are you confessing if you think what your doing is not a sin?? But the blood of Jesus can wash away all sins, if you repent and seek God’s forgiveness, he can began to break your heart and give you a heart of flesh and fix what the enemy has stolen from you. My prayers are with you…

  15. “Besides perversion exist in the heterosexuals as well..the # 1 sin in the church isn’t homosexuality; its fornication and adultery….”

    …And two wrongs never make a right. Some things are just fundamental.

  16. New Christian, its obvious M.A.W knows that he is wrong from his statement @ 9:29.

    His arguements are based on feelings and emotions and not sound biblical teaching.

    Reminds me of the song “Me and Mrs. Jones” – “We both know that its wrong, but it much too strong, to let it go now”.

    Thankfully through Christ we can be free from such strong feelings!

  17. New Christian, all our hearts have sunk for MAW. He represents millions of homosexuals who have been enslaved by their sins to the point that they are unable to discern what is good from evil. At this point he is like a blind man trying to describe the color of fish in the ocean.

    However there is hope, even for homosexuals who are seemingly hopelessly mired up to their eyeballs in sin. Just take a look and listen at these men and these women. And read the testimony of Michelle Smith who lived in rebellion as a lesbian for 26 years.
    In this we can rejoice knowing that God is able to turn around even “worst case” scenarios like MAW. Im living proof of that myself. I used to think, talk and believe like him.
    The only thing is that each person has a will to respond to the call of God to give up sin. Hopefully when that day comes for MAW, he will accept God’s offer of redemption.

  18. MAW said: “Really? The only thing it exposes is some people’s lack of knowledge when it comes to sexuality.

    Besides perversion exist in the heterosexuals as well..the # 1 sin in the church isn’t homosexuality; its fornication and adultery….”

    ….But this is the problem. We can establish that fornication and adultery is wrong and sinful. Would you then admit that homosexuality falls in the same category as fornication and adultery? Furthermore, according to scripture (since you are a “Minister) was woman created for the man or was man created for man? Please answer the question.

  19. To TruthofGod,

    If we can establish that fornication and adultery is wrong, why isn’t there a website devoted to “fornication” and “adultery”?

    GCMW: Feel free to go ahead and start one. Make sure you check before you say there isnt one.

    Yes, homosexuality falls in the same in the same category as fornication and adultery, but does so heterosexuality.

  20. But M.A.W you can establish one if you please, website dedicated to Fornication and Adultery. However I have found that there is no such attack from fornicators and adulterers wanting to be accepted in the Church, though you may have Churches in which these sins are rampant. I would go as far as saying that Gay Affirming Churches are against Fornication and Adultery.

  21. Oh really?…yes fornicators and adulteres do so want to be “accepted” and in many churches they are accepted..because the Pastor NEVER preaches against it..in fact, when I was around 18..my pastor at the time..(a big time Bishop..who was the Presiding Prelate of a huge denomination) came out of his mouth when I told him I was Gay or having gay feelings; his direct advise was that I go out and have sex with a women…he even asked me if I had sex before with a woman; and he knows I wasn’t married…I said “no”; he said “that’s the problem”….

    Im sorry…but a male is not looked down upon if he is having sex with a woman; he only becomes a problem if the woman get’s pregnant..and even then..its more the woman fault than the man’s.

    The Black church has always accepted “male sexual activity”..as long as it was done “in the dark”…and men cheating on their wives..well..that’s just a man being a man…I know wives who went to Pastors to complain about their husband infedility and were told..”that’s just a man being a man..stay with him…divorce is sinful…”..

    I know I’m speaking the truth..

  22. M.A.W says “Yes, homosexuality falls in the same in the same category as fornication and adultery, but does so heterosexuality.”

    heterosexuality? I beg to differ. According to scripture (In the beginning), God created Eve for Adam to be his wife and helpmet. So if by definition of heterosexuality [sexual feeling or behavior directed toward a person of the opposite sex]; then this was ordained by God, primarily for the sake of replenishing the earth. Hence be fruitful and multiply. It also serves as a spiritual picture or symbol, if you will, as God’s relationship to his people (Eph. 5:23-32).

    This is not to say that all heterosexual relationships are acceptable, since we know that fornication, incest, adultery are sinful behaviors performed by heterosexuals. Yet based on the constant theme of scripture both (OT and NT) is that the ONLY justifyable and God-ordained form of intimacy is btwn one man and one woman, IN MARRIAGE. Not 2 men, not 2 women. Even as Jesus said to the Pharissees: Matthew 19:4-6

    “4Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them MALE and FEMALE,
    5And said, For this cause shall a MAN leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his WIFE: and they twain shall be one flesh?
    6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    -According to Jesus the Messiah, can two men be one flesh?
    -Can a wife be a man?
    -Didn’t he say that God ordained this at the beginning?

    *I know this is difficult for you to accept provided that you are currently involved in a homosexual relationship. But at least be honest and acknowledge what the text actually says.

    Thanks.

  23. M.A.W.; what your bishop did is certainly believable given the hypocrisy of many churches. And i think it goes with out saying that churches who operate in such a way aren’t real houses of God. But it still doesn’t make homosexuality any less sinful. It just proves that ministers such as, said bishop, lacks the integrity to be in the position of church-leadership and needs to repent.

  24. ToG, you are right. Heterosexuality is not inherently evil and sinful as homosexuality is.

    There are heterosexual sins (such as fornication and adultery), but heterosexuality is no sin. If it were Jesus, God and the Word of God would all be a liars.
    In stark contrast homosexuality, in all and every context, is always sin.

    That’s the difference.

    The other thing is that he is holding up the black church as the plumbline for righteousness and it is not. It never was and was never meant to be because it is a flawed institution. The black church and the bible are two different things. Yes, there are hypocrisies that exist in the black church in regards to dealing with sexual sins, but the bible is clear, firm and always right. And our guide is the bible, not the black church.

    MAW, I will agree with you because I have heard black church leaders prescribe the same “cure” for homosexuality. Go and have heterosexual fornication. That is 100% wrong and against the Word of God. So yes you are speaking the truth on the occurence of such things in the church. The only problem is how your resolution. One sin can never provide justification for another.

  25. Pastor Foster

    You state that “heteroxeuality” is not inherently sinful..where does it state that “homosexuality” is inherently sinful? Last I read the Bible only speaks of “homosexual lust” and “homosexual rape”. There is are no scriptures that deal with homosexual love; perhaps because the concept of two people of the same sex engaged in love making was a foreign one to the writers of the Bible.

    The only scripture that comes close to general homosexual acts is Leviticus; but Leviticus wasn’t written to the Gentiles or non-hebrew people…as Paul teaches in the NT…further more Leviticus is filled with abominations that people engage in everyday; including Christians.

    The words used in Corinthians by Paul refer to “acts between same sex that involved “sodomy” or “rape”; or some type of abuse..that’s why the KJV translate Corinthians to “abusers of mankind”…some translations of the same scripture refer to “child molestation”, some translations refer to “male prostitution”; but none of the translations refer to “homosexual love” or “homosexual union’s between consenting adults that is monogamous”….

    To truthofGod
    No one denies that beauty and joy of “heterosexuality”; its from this I was born. The Bible is very pro-heterosexual”; “very pro-male”…not so “pro-female”…reminder child birth/labor is a woman’s punishment..not reward…”women must be subject to their husband who has rule over them”…..I don’t expect the Bible to be pro-gay..or speak of “gay marriages”…..it still doesn’t mean that I don’t exist just because I’m not mentioned in the Bible.

  26. M.A.W. said: “…“very pro-male”…not so “pro-female”…reminder child birth/labor is a woman’s punishment..not reward…”women must be subject to their husband who has rule over them”…..I don’t expect the Bible to be pro-gay..or speak of “gay marriages”…..it still doesn’t mean that I don’t exist just because I’m not mentioned in the Bible.”

    Ok first off the Bible is not “pro male” vs “not pro female” as you suppose, that is a common myth. If the Bible is rightly divided, you will notice that God placed Man in his prospective role as the Leader/Head and the Woman as his helpmet as the weaker vessel (not an inferior gender or person). The are multiple amounts of scripture which speaks of the great women of faith (OT & NT) which helped accomplish the will of God’s kingdom for Jesus and his Apostles.

    Now back to the subject at hand, sure, you wouldn’t expect the bible to be “pro gay” because it clearly condemns homosexuality.

    1Cor 6: 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor EFFEMINATE, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (*What is an effeminate if not a trait of a homosexual?)

    Romans 1 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    27And likewise also the men, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    *Again, what is this passage refering to when the passage says leaving the ‘natuaral use’?

    -Where ‘Men with Men’ burning in thier lust one toward another to play pool, shake hands, fix a car, play cards, go to school? What where they burning for if not to participate in ,whether forceful or CONSENSUAL, sexual relations?

    *You don’t need the bible to say verbatim “God condemns gay marriages” since we can clearly ascertain that the bible speaks against any intimate relations of the samesex. Again, i plea for your honesty sir.

    Thanks

  27. If we can establish that fornication and adultery is wrong, why isn’t there a website devoted to “fornication” and “adultery”?

    Let someone come in attempting to justify fornication and adultery as a God-ordained practice, then i’m certain there will be an uproar. But since this particular site is dubbed Gay Christian Movement Watch and you are in deed attempting to justify your gay lifestyle on this site; then i believe that the conversation is appropriate at this moment in time. My 2cents

    Thanks

    GCMW: Very well put and one that I have made oft in past conversations. Im not sure they get it though.

  28. I think you already know Im not going to get into that silliness with you. Ive articulated on this blog countless times why that nonsense is just….nonsense.
    No matter what the context you bring up, homosexuality is sin 100% of the time.

    I dont know why you keep arguing moot points. I checked and no one said you or other homosexual men who had babies by women dont exist. Your insistence that you exist as such is of little significance if any other than to affirm the bible’s teaching that sin is truly blinding and enslaving people.

    And if I may ask, what church are you a minister at? Is it Rehoboth Temple Christ Conscious Church?

  29. Lets look to an online dictionary real quick and see what the definition of “Fornication” is.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fornication

    1.
    voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

    Biblically speaking every time a homosexual act is committed it is also fornication. So in a sense GCMWatch.com also covers fornication.

  30. Robert:

    My partner and I are married..legally and so are many others Gay people. Let’s not forget there are 4 states and the District of Columbia that legalizes Gay Marriage.

    To Pastor Foster
    Yes, Rehobeth Temple is the assembly I am a member of. But more than that I am a member of the Body of Christ. You can call it “mood” points all you want..the truth is the truth. When the Bible speaks of “homosexuality”; its speaks of in terms of “rape”, “lust”, “prostitution” etc…not in terms of “love or marriage or covenant relationships”..however some will argue that David & Jonathan come close to an example of “covenant relationship” between two of the same sex; but nothing “sexual” is documentated in the scriptures between them. But, being same gender loving isn’t just about “sex”; in fact many same gender loving people are non-sexual….for some reason heterosexuals seem to focus on the “sex” part…but my community is at fault in this…because like many heterosexuals the focus is too much on “sex”…society in general is focused too much on “sex”…

    To truthofGod
    In Romans, Paul was talked about heterosexual men & woman who because of “idolatry” by worshipping Roman’s god’s denied the true living God and began “lusting” for members the same sex…this story is about “idolatry” and “lust”…bisexuality and “temple sex” was very popular in Roman culture…Roman’s worshipped their gods by engaging in all kinds of “sex”….this does not describe me and my partner and our family. I have not and will not deny God and I don’t lust or burn after my mate…our love is desired after not lust after…..know the difference.

  31. Antwoine,

    I see how passionate you are about the relationship between you and your partner, I see also you brought up the relationship between David and Jonathan, which I deem a “love story” the love that every believer is to have for one another “this is how the world will know you are my disciples when you have love one for another.” Am I in love w/every believer who is in the body of Christ, I say this without regret and hesitation, the answer is yes, but this is not a love that is forbidden, but encouraged by God. I can tell you are an educated man, and you know that both OT and NT condemn the lifestyle you have chosen. You speak of love, but do not forget that “love rejoices in the truth” not a lie and also remember when being questioned by Pilate, Christ said, “I came into the world to bear witness to the truth, everyone who loves the truth listens to me.”

    Many say Christ never spoke about homosexuality, well he didn’t have to, he wrote the law. The Apostle Paul after having his blindness removed said, “it was like scales were removed from his eyes” I pray that you would allow this to occur for you and your partner as well. Right now if I may, you are seeing what you want to see, receiving what you want to receive, interpreting what you want to condone. Its hard to let go of something we want to see as right, the scriptures’ are clear, “everyman did what was right in his own eyes” and “a man’s ways seem right unto him.” I say to you, what I say to you, not solely because I want to prove you wrong, but do not want to see neither you or your friend perish, as a matter of fact theres someone else who doesn’t want to see that anymore than I could possibly, and thats Christ himself.

    The scripture reads, “Awakest thou that sleepest”, now I can quote to you every scripture that condemns this lifestyle that you have chosen, but theres no need for me to do so, for one you already now them yourself, and as I have already said, you have interpreted scripture concerning this lifestyle the way you want to. Right now you are not ready to be delivered from bondage that you call love, you are not ready to receive the help that is afforded you by Christ, and yes if were all honest in one way or another we’ve all been there at times and if one hasn’t, they will be. But I appeal to your heart my friend, and not your feelings, I say to you along w/countless others on this blog, “AWAKEST.”

  32. M.A.W. said: “In Romans, Paul was talked about heterosexual men & woman who because of “idolatry” by worshipping Roman’s god’s denied the true living God and began “lusting” for members the same sex…this story is about “idolatry” and “lust”…bisexuality and “temple sex” was very popular in Roman culture…Roman’s worshipped their gods by engaging in all kinds of “sex”….this does not describe me and my partner and our family. I have not and will not deny God and I don’t lust or burn after my mate…our love is desired after not lust after…..know the difference.”

    I understand your arguement, yet it is still flawed when compared to the text. The train of thought, when speaking about regarding this issue begins here @ verse 18…

    “18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTOUSNESS of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”

    Ok let me emphasize here, ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTOUSNESS. Now lets formulate a list of what God (thru Paul) views as ‘ungodly’ & ‘unrightous’ activity.

    -unthankfulness v.21
    -vanity v.21
    -idol worship v.22; v.25
    -lesbianism v.26
    -male homosexual relations v.27
    -fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity, whispering, backbiting, hating God, pride, boasting,inventors of evil things, disobedience to parents, lack of understanding, covenant breakers, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, implacable, unmerciful…vs. 29-31.

    According to the text, these are all deeds, whether performed in idol worship, done by force, or by consent are deemed as ‘ungodly’ and ‘unrightous’ to which… “….are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    -Yes, verses 23 & 25 uses idol worship as an example by which homosexual relations where administered. Yet, it is clear both in this passage in verse 31 and in other OT and NT scriptures that all homosexual activity is condemned by God. Therefore, whether you and your partner love each other has no bearing on the justification of that sort of activity. It is indeed sinful…

  33. Min. Antwoine Williams said:

    Robert:

    My partner and I are married..legally and so are many others Gay people. Let’s not forget there are 4 states and the District of Columbia that legalizes Gay Marriage.

    I’m glad you didn’t mention God recognizing your marriage, because He doesn’t, but you all ready knew that didn’t you?

  34. To TruthofGod,

    GCMW: Sorry, ToG I just cant stomach anymore of this hideous demonspeak from whatever is possessing MAW. Let it end now.

  35. He could mean stepfathers or even fathers of the heart. Are there any lawyers on this site? I mean I have an aunt of the heart not by blood but I love her just the same. Astounding that people could just jump to conclusions without thinking about it at different points of view. What do you want him to say? No homo after everything he says? People on this site must be allergic to not over reacting. I guess no one here likes to relax with a beer every now and then. Geez!

  36. Will, with just a little checking you would have seen that ALL the gay political sites interpreted Obama’s remarks as two homosexual fathers, not stepfathers or fathers of the heart.
    So did they all overreact too or did you just want to come and complain here? Are you the only one who thinks SOTUS meant something else other than homosexual men? I would caution you not to be simplistic in your view of life and people in politics. That’s how you get taken advantage of.

  37. I’m just saying that you can interpret it how you want but clearly it wasn’t an outright endorsement of gay fathers. I’m saying you shouldn’t be so simplistic in your views. There are many shades of gray. If it makes you feel better to think it is about gay people then be my guest, but I for one love my family of the heart and they definitely count too. And come on, you gotta admit my “no homo” remark was funny! I mean come on man! Admit it, it was!

  38. Are you 16? I dont get whatever it is youre referring to. Nevermind.
    Back to topic…sure, Obama was probably talking about little green men eating ice cream cones on the sun when he made his two fathers remark.

    Gotcha.

  39. Will said: There are many shades of gray.

    There are only 2 categories, Will.

    1.) There is God’s way (The Bible)

    2.) The wrong way

    Nothing else.

  40. And the wrong way has many different ways and they all lead to destruction, a frightening thought indeed.

  41. Antoine there is no such thing as homophobia. Homo means man and I don’t think any of us here are afraid of men so to say that people who don’t condone homosexuality are homophobia would be to say we are afraid of man and we are not. That’s really a silly word man up by someone who didn’t know what homo mean. Homosexual means man sexually attracted to another man, but homophobia doesn’t make sense. What it is, is that you are angry because we refuse to condone what the WORD OF GOD speaks out against as with any sin. We all sin but the difference between us and me is that I repent of my sins and you are continually living and rejoicing in your.

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