Bishop Jim Swilley fasttracking the gay christian lie

4835095fe91ccc0c98650084b20a6630ATLANTA – Bishop Jim Swilley, nephew of deceased sexual predator Earl Paulk is on a media fasttrack with the gay christian lie. The gay and liberal media —hungry for a false teacher like Swilley to refute biblical teachings about homosexuality— are beside themselves with glee. Consequently, they are rewarding Swilley (and strangely enough his un-exwife) with lots of feel good air and press time.

Swilley, his profane-mouthed un-exwife Debye and their son all joined forces with the local homosexual news outlet to gush over his newfound gay celebrity status and bash Christians who are calling him out for his 39 years of  deception and lies.

Its hard to believe that Swilley has been preaching the true gospel for 39 years. His un-exwife confirms that by saying that he had been pushing the false theory of inclusion i.e. “God loves you just as you are”, nothing else required.

But notice in media interviews there’s no mention of an affirmation from God or the bible of his sin. Instead, he cites people who agreed with his lie as his confirmation that he was right.

In one week, I gained over 1,000 Facebook friends. I’ve heard from Hong Kong, Japan, London, South Africa, Kenya, Nigeria… one story after another from people who say, “Oh my God. I feel like you totally told my story.” I’ve heard from other pastors who’ve come out or pastors who are still in the closet, afraid to come out. I’ve heard from teenagers. For every negative one that I get, there’ll be a hundred that are loving and affirming. I hear it over and over: “You saved my life.”

But listen at what the scriptures say.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 2 Tim 4:3

Paul was right and the time has come.  Religious homosexuals like Swilley only serve as signs that the scripture is true. It has already prophesied their ascension, the nature of their deception and ultimately their fall into hell. Swilley’s words are doctrines of devils. Their most used tactic: reposition their deceptive language as love.

Not a savior, but a murderer from the beginning

Thankfully, we are beginning to hear some prominent voices speak out against Swilley’s full blown liefest.

On October 31st,  Creflo Dollar mentioned  it to his church. Dollar didnt call out Swilley by name but told his congregation, “The Bible says that even the very elect will be deceived. Unfortunately ladies and gentlemen, it seems like we’re almost there. Especially when you have preachers getting up in their pulpit saying, ‘I’m gay, and there’s nothing wrong with it.’

Pastor Dollar said Swilley isn’t helping anybody.

“There is nothing liberating about submitting to or accepting an identification that God does not want a Christian, especially a preacher, to accept. You’re not gonna save anybody’s life, you’re gonna make it worse. You’re not gonna stop people from killing themselves. They’re gonna do it even more. Just because you have a weird feeling that doesn’t line up with the word of God, don’t submit to the feeling,”

That’s true, false teachers care about nothing except satisfying their own vile desires.  Those who engage in homosexuality will not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6). Anyone who tells them otherwise might as well take a gun and shoot them in the head. Death and sin go hand in hand (Romans 6:23). As shofarsound wrote, false teachers are murderers like their father the devil.

And if you think that Swilley’s mind is polluted, his son and un-exwife’s is just as polluted. Asked about people’s reactions to his father’s coming out church party Judah Swilley said:

Christ said there are two laws to be Christ-like: to love God and to love people. It’s very simple. If you’re not loving, you’re not Christ-like. People try to say, “I’ll accept them [homosexuals] but I won’t affirm them.” That’s ridiculous! You have to love them.

You know, Leviticus says all kinds of crazy things. I mean that with all due respect but it says things like not to let cattle graze with other cattle, don’t have a variety of crops in the same field, don’t blend the fabrics of your clothing. If you are disrespectful to your parents, you must be killed. … There are all kinds of things in there.

Thank God that most of it has been supportive. Unfortunately, we’ve heard from closed-minded religious people that see things a different way. The crazy thing is that the people who have extreme religious beliefs and they bring out different scriptures and try to pick and choose them to make their point. You can’t just pick one thing and take it out of context.

We’ve answered rubber stamped gay christian lies before here and here. Its interesting that while they accuse people of “picking scriptures out of context”, that’s exactly what they do with the commandment to love. Judah has probably never read Jesus’ words where he says “if you love me you will keep my commandments”.

But I must admit, in all my years of dealing with the insidious gay christian movement,  I’ve never seen anyone vomit out so many lies per sitting. At a rapid pace, Swilley literally lies, distorts, regurgitates and then quickly starts the process over without batting an eye. His father, the devil has been preparing him for 39 years to deceive millions and he is rushing with wild abandon to do just that.

So Bishop Swilley, lie on. Enjoy your temporary tenure in the world’s spotlight. Exult in their praise and adulation of your fake religion and self manufactured sexual identity. Heap to yourself followers who hate God and his word. But the time is approaching where your soul will be required and the blood of those who have followed you into perdition. A lie has a short life in the fast lane, but in the end only God’s truth will prevail. And the consequence for you will be great, devastating and eternal.

There’s no need to prophesy your end. Like other false prophets before you, God has already planned it.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev 21:8

Addendum:
Additional reading on Swilley from Americans for Truth About Homosexuality. Love the line “Vicky Gene Robinson, move over. There’s a new spiritual fraud in the pulpit.” How very true.

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49 thoughts on “Bishop Jim Swilley fasttracking the gay christian lie

  1. Should I dare say Swilley is a(weed)tare?

    Matthew 13:36-43 (New Living Translation)

    Parable of the Wheat and Weeds (Tare) Explained:

    36 Then, leaving the crowds outside, Jesus went into the house. His disciples said, “Please explain to us the story of the weeds in the field.”
    37 Jesus replied, “The Son of Man is the farmer who plants the good seed. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. 39 The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil. The harvest is the end of the world,and the harvesters are the angels.

    40 “Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the world. 41 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s Kingdom. Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand!

    Yes Mr. Swilley, a certain hot place awaits you and those that will foolishly follow a tare and it’s demonic doctrine! REPENT!

  2. He’s the new media darling.

    I’ve been reading the comments on Huffington.. they love him.

    I wonder how his attendance has been? Are the people leaving or staying? That will be a telling sign

  3. CJ, Im not sure it matters about the headcount. Sooner or later it will become a habitation of unclean spirits who look good doing religion. Just another spirit blackened gay church with his bizarre unexwife helping to smooth out the lie and damn more souls into hell.

  4. While reading this a thought popped into my head: Swilley and his “un-exwife” (interesting name you’ve created for her, by the way) have been planning this for quite some time.

    I’m sorry, but as a woman her comments and subsequent actions don’t sit well with me. Even for someone who is okay with homosexuality–not me, I’m speaking generally–knowing or finding out about your husband’s or boyfriend’s inclination towards men would NOT sit right with you. As a Christian woman, if he were my husband I would separate to give him space, then get him as much help as possible, not proclaim it to the whole world and other foolishness. I sincerely believe this was a well thought out plan, but it’s just me.

    It would also explain his son’s acceptance of him though. If this were really a case of a ball suddenly dropping amid biblically sound teaching (i.e. Swilley genuinely had a sin problem he tucked away), I doubt his son would be so gung ho. It sounds as if he was purposely raised in spiritual darkness to help him when the time was right. The very fact that the congregation utilized every opportunity to applaud/agree speaks volumes on this as well.

    Oh geez I sound like a conspiracy theorist, lol. But really, Swilley’s message is from the father of lies himself, who I’m more than sure had a lot to do with this.

  5. @CelebrateJ

    I agree that members leaving is a good sign, but then again I think people with ugly intentions are showing up to replace them. If anything, his church may grow, especially since he’s so loved by the media.

  6. yes I think that everyone should run out of there as fast as they can. But they will be replaced with you know whos.

  7. I think this is an adequate description:

    2 Peter 2:14-22 (King James Version)

    14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

    15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

    16But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

    17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

    18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

  8. brdavision, the word of God is sharp and powerful.
    I really wanted to pull out a few select phrases out of that passage, but Im going to resist the temptation.

  9. I agree with the ‘Satan is Swilly’s father’ line. This guy claims he was born gay knew it all his life yet he destroyed the lives of 2 women? He, his ministry, his family, his church is completely based on lies. And he wants to lecture me about what I should and should not accept? The arrogance of this man is stunning. It is a little frightning. The contempt he has for true bible believing Christians, his desire to turn God’s Word into lasciviousness like in Jude 3. This guys seems to be the biblical “TARE” the biblical “Satan’s servant appearing as a minister of righteousness”, the biblical “man who crept in unawares.”
    Can you do Satan’s work and not know you are of Satan? After being a Preacher and Pastor of the Word for 30 years? After being a church kid raised in the church who should know better? I don’t think so.
    These truly are the last days and soon we will all be arrested for bloggings such as this….Pastor Foster you will be cuffed one day. You know its coming quick. IT is an amazing time to live in.

  10. Oh I wanted to point this out from the article. Is this Biblical?

    Debye: I always knew in my heart that if he just loved himself just the way that he was and if he embraced his humanity, the divine part would be exponential.

    His divinity was almost limited and restrained because he rejected his humanity. I wanted for him to experience what everyone deserves to experience in a relationship and partnership. He should feel what everyone else takes for granted.

    Sounds like this….

    James 3:15This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic.

  11. I have been reading these articles with great interest. As a man that has struggled with homosexual desires an entire lifetime I am eternally grateful that Jesus Christ rescued me from a life of misery and dispair. I decided long ago that no matter what my carnal nature desired I would not choose a life of endless sexual encounters and failed relationships.

    This is not to say that I never failed along the way, but I knew in my heart that Jesus would have mercy upon me and the day would come when I would be at peace. There were aspirations along the way of being in the ministry. I also knew that if that ever happened I would be held to a different and higher standard because of the impact I would have on others. With that in mind I did not pursue any sort of public ministry. We all have weaknesses and are sinners saved by grace, but I never wanted to bring shame to the name of Jesus because of these weaknesses.

    If I were running the show and advising Mr. Swilley what to do, I would make it perfectly clear that he needs to step down from any ministerial position immediately. That he stays clear of the liberal media or any media for that matter, unless it is to clearly state that he has removed himself from the ministry because of this particular sin and is seeking the mercy of God to liberate him from this matter. Being honest and frank is very useful, but only as a learning tool for others that are certainly watching. He is in a precarious situation because of the impact he may have on others in a similar situation. He also needs to realize that saying and doing the right and godly thing is paramount especially in regards to young people. The Devil is most anxious to devour anyone that he can, and to take a firm and aggressive stand against this sin or any sin for that matter is the best weapon. Proclaiming the healing and delivering power of Jesus Christ along with His mercy can counter anything the enemy of our souls can hurl at us.

  12. This situation is like none other to me, its not that others havent spewed lies but as the article says:

    “But I must admit, in all my years of dealing with the insidious gay christian movement, I’ve never seen anyone vomit out so many lies per sitting.”

    Not that I have as much experience as Pastor Foster but in coming on here for many years and reading and listening to a lot of stuff I dont recall someone that is so arrogant and proud in their sin.

    I am hurt, annoyed and very angry.

    Something just feels different about this situation. Well the world starts to use an clown such as this you know its about to get rough for true believers!

  13. GCMWATCH said .. “His father, the devil has been preparing him for 39 years to deceive millions and he is rushing with wild abandon to do just that.”

    Wow … This is the same thing I thought when I watched the video as he “came out” to this congregation last month. Looks like he is making his rounds.
    Since Jim has memorized scriptures, he thinks that he is ready to “take on” anyone. Sound familiar?
    The devil quoted … “it is written” to tempt Jesus in the wilderness. Problem is, he twisted scripture to obtain his own desire, which was to have Jesus Christ bow the knee to him.

    The devil hasn’t changed … still doing the same thing today.

    I pray for all the people who are facing struggles with their own sexual identity. May they fall in love with the Truth ~ not a “false truth” as quoted by Swilley that says embrace your feelings … this is how God made you … homosexuality is your identity, not a sin. No, that is not true, that is a lie.

    The Truth is found in repenting (changing our way of thinking and feeling) embracing the cross (crucifying the flesh-consider it dead to sin) and His blood that was shed to forgive and cleanse us from sin. Jesus Christ is the answer to our deliverance and freedom from ALL sin including same-sex attaction.

    Sadly, people are headed for destruction, because they will not receive the love of the Truth that can save them. This is why God is allowing them to go astray, so that they will believe the lie. The result will be that all who have not believed the Truth, but have taken their pleasure in wickedness, will be condemned.

    By the way … this is not my opinion. This is God’s word.
    Read: 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2.

  14. Rev 25, I definitely believe that 2 Thess 2 is in play with the Swilley mess. Just so people can make their own conclusions let us hear the scripture:

    For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now holdeth back will hold him back, until he is taken out of the way.
    8And then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming–
    9even him, whose coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10and with all the deceit of unrighteousness in those who perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie,
    12that they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Since the spirit of the antichrist is already at work, the penalty for following his agenda is also already at work. Some people (like Swilley and his family) are receiving judgment even now because they have loved a lie and hated God’s truth. He has blinded them to prevent them from ever seeing truth again. What a terrifying thing! But it is to be a WARNING to all. Do not follow these men and embrace their lies lest God cut you off thus effectively sealing your damnation.

  15. Just looking at this from a purely natural stand point, if technology ceased to exist and every heterosexual person on earth were wiped away, Mankind would not last past the surviving generation except that a man lay with a woman and produce fruit. Many homosexuals do not look at the situation this way. Men and women were naturally made to “fit together”. To practice any other lifestyles is to pervert what was intended and established in the natural by God which destroys the spiritual connection WITH God. Homosexuality is a sin. Romans 1: 18-32. God forgives sin. But for any who wish to come to God, they must come with the understanding that “God, I’m letting go of my sin so that I can take hold of You, and You of me.” It may not happen all at once but He can take it away. I have a friend in college who is a FORMER homosexual. I realize that I’m mostly preaching to the choir but thats my two cents.

    I leave you all with this:To any gays or lesbians who might be reading these posts consider a mother who has a child that she loves dearly. She cares for and nurtures that child all it’s life and when the child grows to adulthood, it becomes a drug dealer/abuser. The mother had warned the child before about such things and so is disappointed. When the child tries to come home using and selling drugs, the mother says “You I’ll always love and are always welcome. But your drugs will NEVER enter my home. Neither WITH you or IN you. First we’ll get you clean and then you can come home.” This is how God treats a person practicing ANY SIN, of which homosexuality is one, that wishes to enter Heaven. After all, to love someone doesn’t mean you let them do whatever they want, while you stand by. Let Jesus forgive us and clean us up first.

  16. I was happy to read that Creflo Dollar made his position clear. I hope others in leadership will be brave (right) enough to do likewise.

  17. Leviticus 18:22, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

    Romans 1:27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

    Wait, so the Bible is wrong now???

    **It’s sad that he believes that since he has gained so much support and “friends” that he’s justified.

    John 15:18-19 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

  18. Here is a great article from Truthspeakers. It gives a run down of Earl Paulk and Eddie Long corrupt”unspiritual sons/sons of Belial” tree/lineage. Swilley was one of the so called Bishops( along with Carlton Pearson) to consecrated New Age Bishop Dr. Barbara Lewis King of New Thought Christian Movement Church.

    http://truthspeaker.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/eddie-long-the-apples-dont-fall-far-from-the-nar-tree/

    Please checkout the site below, for those that showed up Barbara Lewis King “unholy consecration” as a Bishop. Again all roads leading back to Roman Catholic/One World/Harlot Church. And Swilley is part of that satanic agenda for these end times.
    http://www.parliamentofreligions.org/news/index.php/2010/09/first-bishop-in-new-thought-movement-of-churches-to-be-consecrated/

    It is unfortuanate Swilley is having the “world system” defend his sin, the women on ABC The View was defending him. Joel Osteen look like a novice, he couldn’t respond with a sound Biblical response. Whoppie Goldberg put him to shame.

    http://exministries.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/joel-osteen-allows-whoopie-goldberg-to-rebuke-him-on-scripture/

  19. gcmwatch (author) said:
    Rev 25, I definitely believe that 2 Thess 2 is in play with the Swilley mess.

    AMEN Brother!

  20. Was discussing this with another minister, and in his disgust he made this statement, “Why not just call all of the in the closet preachers out instead of waiting for them to come out one at a time? Are you gay or not? Geez!!” couldn’t help but laugh at his tone, but there is an element of truth there. It seems to be strategic that these ministers are coming out one at a time or in phases.

  21. Eld Carl, yes satan has them on time release. Its a strategy that I hope the church sees what is going on. If we keep silent and not fight these apostates, many people will be led away into destruction. False teachers work for satan and their goal is the same as his: kill, steal and destroy. Swilley and others like him are on the J.O.B.
    The issue is not so much them being “in the closet”. Its the doctrines of demons that will gush out of their mouths once they declare they are gay and “holy”. If they were simply in the closet and silent the damage would be considerably less.

  22. @gcmwatch

    Shofarsound’s first link in his post above sounds EXACTLY like the dream you recently posted.

    That guy from New Zealand held a covenant ceremony with 700 men, complete with rings.

    GCMW: You are so right. That was Eddie Long’s “spiritual son”. He too was deep in controversy.

  23. I couldn’t watch this devilry…..the arrogant dead look in his eyes speaks volumes of the god he serves. The transript speaks of him boasting how many persons emailed him, and said ‘you saved me’, so he’s now one of the gods of this earth, one of the many anti-Christs who are now openly showing themselves…….and yet,sadly,there are still folks in the Church would still consider them their brothers in Christ,even when they openly deny the God of glory.

    Why is it that modern-day Christians are so easily fooled? All the poorly-disguised devils have to do is put the word Christian in their their product/service/perversion and we swallow it hook,line and sinker.
    Why are so many church folk seeking alliances with the Babylon world system? Chasing down fame,and fortune, befriending and apologising to the devil and his minions, hunting mice while lions devour the land?

    Keep on sounding the alarm Pastor Foster, cry aloud and spare not!
    Who is on the Lord’s side?

    Keep up the good work Pastor Foster

  24. If I understand correctly, then if he’s lying his church will definitely fail…guess we’ll have to watch and pray. As for me, I refuse to say anything that might even resemble judgment of anyone. Scripture states, “Touch not mine anointed…” so I will steer clear. The gifts and callings are without repentance so if one was anointed to preach, prophesy, etc., then they are still because God did not take their calling away. That is the main reason I do not speak against others. They must work out their own salvation and I must contend with mine.

    I pray everyone has Peace…

  25. @GodsKid

    Honestly, no one needs to “judge” him, if anything we’re all playing Captain Obvious.

    The Bible is very clear about what constitutes a false teacher and the like. Swilley says things contrary to the word of God, he doesn’t need our help in making that clear.

    Also, it’s getting quite taxing to hear the “touch not mine anointed…” line used to keep folks from speaking out against nonsense. Did you know that, if a Christian, that applies to you as well? If anything, be offended that Swilley believes you’re spiritually inept or dead enough to belief what he says, because he’s certainly harming the body of Christ.

  26. Yeah, I’ve been spending some time with the duped in Swilley’s coven, and, coming from that, I appreciate most of the refreshing comments made, here. I don’t know if they’re being edited out or what, however, there’s no surplus of pro-‘Swilley-ites’ commenting here… certainly not the case in reversal on the forum in question! Over there, I see some real interest by sensible, educated Christians in trying to reason with the duped. Unfortunately, I see the same scenario with those dupes as what someone, here, alluded to in their drug-user analogy. The ones with the problem never seem to be anxious to admit that they have a problem, nevermind go elsewhere outside their group and defend it. It’s part of the arrogance associated with self-justification, I suppose.

    The story ends at typical con artists, with Swilley and his “un-exwife”. You can write them both off, right now. Any affiliation or connection they might have or enjoy with the GLBT Nazis is purely a bonus, politically, in addition to the lucre they’re pulling down out of all this, off the backs of their victims. Crooks like Swilley build ‘churches’ and congregations like dogs water trees and fire hydrants. It’s a way of leaving one’s mark while servicing other, ‘tangible’ needs and wants. The deep-seated fear and resentment of those hiding on the fringe, all these years, is revealed and fueled by Swilley’s coming-out party. It shows the insidious effects of sin and ignorance – WILLFUL ignorance, I might add, when there is more than ample evidence in scripture to dispel it – on the tortured souls that flock to their guru’s message and agenda.

    It’s not logical, either, to expect logic from people so duped. Plain, unadulterated scripture texts denouncing sin are ignored. I do mean ignored. The implications are too dire for one who is a slave to their passions. “If I accept this truth, it means that my darling sins must be relinquished!” This is simply too much to ask of one who cannot master their fear and/or fondness of/for sin.

    Yeah… prayer is one way to try and help these folk. It doesn’t negate confronting them with the truth, which is the responsibility of anyone calling themselves Christian. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16,17) Once that is done, it is the work of the Holy Spirit to convict and admonish the soul in whatever way is appropriate. Even He doesn’t have a perfect track record in reaching the stiff-necked, so we shouldn’t feel discouraged or invalid for simply fulfilling our mandate.

  27. Incred, any of Swilley’s followers and defenders of his lifestyle are welcome to come here and argue their case. I suspect they wont not becuase they’re not welcome but because the really dont want to tangle with the truth. Most of the stuff Ive seen is pure emotionalism and hype about Swilley. And thats to be expected: thats how he’s conditioned to respond.

    He and un-exwife are milking the 16.6 minutes of fame the media is giving them without realizing they are just religious anomalies. Otherwise they wouldnt give him the time of day. The played are getting played.

  28. @ Godskid:

    Aren’t you the same one going around endlessly defending your pastor, Michael Pitts on Toledo Talk? Interesting. As Christians, we are to judge. Absolutely! We should never “watch and pray” when it comes to holding leaders accountable. What scripture basis do you have for this?

    In Scriptures, we are taught to call out false teachers, mark them, and avoid them:
    1) When false teaching is given publically, it should be subject to scrutiny publically. Paul called Peter out publically in regards to a false teaching he practiced among the Jews. “When Peter came to Antioch, he opposed him to his face and in front of them all.” -Gal. 2

    2) Romans 16:17, 18 “I appeal to you, brothers, mark those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”

    As far as your OT argument on “touch not mine anointed”:
    1) The Bible makes it clear..to TOUCH means to bring physical harm and/or death.
    2) In the OT, the ‘anointed’ were the patriarchs, the prophets, the kings and the priests. In the new covenant, all believes are anointed. HOWEVER –One can still be “gifted”, but no longer anointed.

    So, either way…your defense makes no sense and leaves ROOM for the enemy to create a lack of accountability in the Body of Christ. Do you read anywhere that Paul hid behind that OT “touch not mine anointed” scripture when he was being opposed both verbally and physically?? (think about that and stop buying that tired explanation that this OT scripture is a modern day picture that we shouldn’t oppose those who teach behind pulpits.) That’s absurd and contradicts NT structure within the church. The NT is filled with disputes and how they handled them.

    Verbal opposition and physical harm are not the same thing. Best to put down your glass of Cornerstone Kool-Aide while you still can.

  29. Well, Swilley assuredly doesn’t want anyone but those willing to stroke his ego, on his site. I’ve left a few comments to no avail. So much for ‘Christian’ manners on his part!

    But, he’s just a con artist, anyway.

  30. Jesus told the woman caught in adultery “ Where your accusers?” They were gone. This followed Jesus asking those without sin to cast the first stone. Not one that has lived is without sin. Jesus overcame all challenge. There is no satan, demon, that could possibly overcome Jesus, He took care of everything- once and for all -Praise be to God.

    Therefore, I ask the Jesus of this time in 2010 – The One who broke not one law from Leviticus or one thought that broke ANY law as Jesus said, “ If you insult your brother, you are a murdurer’ , If you have thought of a sin you have done it” as far as Jesus was concerned. One law broken is every law broken.
    We want to hear from the person who has not broken ONE law from every Law EVER written to help us all in anything we have done. Breaking one law is the same as breaking every law. One sin as the same as every sin.

    Please, if you are out there, speak to us. All others, please keep your tongues and fingers still. Let the One without any sin whatsoever, who has kept every law speak and share their complete name and location so we can see their transparency and lead us.

    If you are reading this, please respond. All other sinners please do not write further, allow ONLY the One without sin and knows Jesus is stronger than Adam can speak to us All on this site, if Jesus so wills. Shhhhh every other sinner, and leave room only for the Perfected One to speak here.
    The whole Earth groans for You. Speak to us now, the One without any possible sin. Transform us so sin is removed in our minds as it is in your reality. It is finished.

  31. Wow, the only reason I can applaud Jim Swilley is because he finally told the truth, after living that lie for over 20 years. However, you and your wife should both step down, your behavior is unbecoming that of a pastor and co-pastor. Recently, three pastors were on internet radio show “Center Stage” talking about the recent church scandals involving Rev. Cedric Miller, Eddie Long and Jim Swilley. And if what they said is true, per the bible these guys are all going to hell. The topic was “Blind Sheep Following a Lost Shepherd,’
    take a listen to the dialog.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/centerstage/2010/11/27/blind-sheep-following-lost-shepherds

  32. Leaders of gcmwatch, please share with us on the blog what your struggles that you share with no one else, or very few, are. Paul had his thorn that troubled him deeply, God did not remove it so Paul would remain in touch with others, at their level. What are your thorns? Your blog family and adherents will support you through it. If a few do leave, love them anyway, God does. God will always be with you, and your ministry will continue. His call is irrevocable. Trust Him and Jesus to gird your followers to stand in the gap for you. I am a stranger here, and I will as well.

    Whatever that deep struggle is, greed, lust, selfishness, etc. sharing it with us will bring you peace with it, and minister to your readers who each have their own struggle in private, as we all do. It seems that the deeper degree that God works through people to bless others, the deeper their struggles are. Like Paul had. By sharing, it also allows others to bless you with Christ’s love working through them.

    Please share your struggles for your and our peace, and so we are not robbed of this opportunity to bless you. Trust God so these struggles do not shackle you further. There is a lot to do.

  33. “Please, if you are out there, speak to us. All others, please keep your tongues and fingers still.”

    It’s already been explained that the Bible was written for the express purpose of witnessing to a lost world, which sometimes includes the admonishment of it’s sins. Homosexuality is one of those sins. If what you’re saying is that we not talk about the scriptures at all, well, that would also include not talking about Christ’s love, either. Justice and mercy go hand in hand. It is a Christian’s duty to point out sin and denounce it.

    Just as you would denounce murder or adultery, (I would hope, anyway) homosexuality, being just as heinous in the Lord’s eyes, would also call for such admonishment.

    If I were a murderer, Christ and society would expect that I refrain from practicing, further, any such behavior. Regardless of what sin I am guilty of, grace doesn’t excuse or necessitate deliberate sinning. Swilley condones sin by his refusal to acknowledge homosexuality for what it is… yet, if would seem that he must of had some sense of it’s evil, not coming forward with his feelings before this. I’m still convinced that money and prestige are his primary interests in all of this, not the plight of homosexuals.

    There must come a point in time when enough is enough. God will not allow sinners into Heaven, only those that have OVERCOME in His name.

  34. Incredulous, you are right. Wherever we have influence, we should point out sin and denounce it.

    Every sin is equal. As Jesus said, even if it is thought or spoken, it is the same sin. Leviticus points out so many, mixing fabrics, grown sons that do not work, tattoos, there are so many to be on the lookout for.

    Since there are so many sins to point out and denounce (hundreds) we each must use our time and effort extremely efficiently. Where we have influence and can be part of the change.

    We each have the most influence on ourselves by far. We each best serve God and Christianity by going through the list of hundreds or thousands of possible sins to check ourselves in our thoughts, night and day dreams, words, and actions, and intentions. Make a list, write every one down each day. Pint it out to ourselves and denounce it, include telling others to help us be accountable. For each one that recurs, do it again. This is where we have the most benefit for Jesus to root out sin, in ourselves first and foremost.

    After we have rooted out our own sin – Next, our household and family members. Our influence with them is not as great as with ourselves, but still strong. Search their actions, words, try to discern their thoughts and intentions. Be very detailed on every possible sin. This is our family we are talking about – Tough Jesus love is necessary. Leave no word, intention, action, or perception of sin unchallenged. Our family is worth it. Do not give up!
    Next do the same with close friends. We have less influence here, but it still can root out sin.
    Next, do the very same to co-workers. They will thank you in the end, even if they do not see the benefit you bring them immediately. Jesus will see it and bless you. There is less influence there, but each of us still can make a difference with them.

    Others who share interests of ours, we also have some influence with. Look, point out, and denounce each one of the hundreds of possible sins you find with them. They will thank you, because of the influence you have with them.

    To get to this point, a lot of time and energy is needed, but it is in areas where we each have influence. If we have time and energy, we can expand to neighbors, social friends, car pool partners, etc. It takes a lot of time and energy, but our duty is to make a difference on sin.

    Our influence on others who fall outside these groups is nil or zero. Clearly this blog has no influence on Bishop Jim Swilley or most of the world. We are wasting our God given duty talking about him, and not focusing first on ourselves. I am sure as we look closely at ourselves, we will have dozens of the hundreds written to deal with.

    Jesus will bless our insight into ourselves in fixing ourselves and most certainly into our families. Godspeed to each of us.

  35. @Erik Stremke-you said-“Jesus told the woman caught in adultery “ Where your accusers?” They were gone. This followed Jesus asking those without sin to cast the first stone. Not one that has lived is without sin. Jesus overcame all challenge. There is no satan, demon, that could possibly overcome Jesus, He took care of everything- once and for all -Praise be to God.”

    First of all as one of the writers for GCMWATCH I must say your use of scripture is childlike at best. (Here’s the ❤ love for that last sentence) Jesus did not keep them from stoning the woman because it wasn't the right thing to do. Remember Jesus had not died yet and they were still under the law and according to the law adultery was punishable by death. (Go look up the scriptures in lev. yourself) Jesus did not permit them to stone the woman because her accusers were operating in sin. 1. It takes two to tango, and yet they only brought the woman. 2. The bible tells us not to tempt the Lord our God and if you read the scripture in John 8. It says that they came to Jesus to "Tempt" Him.

    Remember if these so called priest and religious leaders were for real they would have stoned the woman and the man immediately because the law of moses had already given them that command.
    Hypocrisy was the reason why no man could pick up a stone. They were accusing a woman yet they were actively committing sin. The bible gives us the authority to rebuke and correct those who "claim" to be believers:

    1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (King James Version)
    9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
    10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
    11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
    12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
    13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    Not that we are without sin, but that we do not persist in sin and say that its OK……

    Bishop Silly (wrong spelling on purpose) has said its ok to be gay, and has twisted scripture to back his point…..

    The point you are trying to make only proves your ignorance of the scriptures….

    The bible also tells us to expose and mark those who teach contrary to scripture:

    Romans 16:17 (King James Version)
    17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    Ephesians 5:11 (New International Version, ©2010)
    11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    Save all that emotionalism and that sad excuse for bible exposition for another place bro

  36. Erik, I have several issues with your comment. Mainly:

    What does what youve written have to do with Jim Swilley’s deadly concoction of lies about homosexuality?

    And it seems you have a lot assumptions going on. Considering your other comment and its vortex of rehashed gay christian logic, I think you are simply engaging in what the bible calls “foolish and unlearned” conversation.

    If you expect someone to give you a mature answer, make sure your questions/assertions rise above the level of trite juvenile conjecture.

  37. Something else about the woman ‘caught’ in adultery… there wasn’t a “man” so much as men, involved with her in sin… the ones accusing her, to be precise. That was the primary reason why they didn’t immediately stone her, as they would have had to submit to the same punishment. They had each had their turn with her on some occasion. Also, they wanted to discredit Christ by getting Him to pardon an adulteress, defying the law, the same as they had on other occasions attempted to get Him to commit heresy/treason.

    Jesus was writing their complicity with her in the dust at their feet, which, upon seeing what He knew about them, caused them to quit the scene, right smartly. They were real enough, in the sense of their priestly office, but, corrupt as hell. (No pun intended) Hypocritical? Yes, indeed. But, their complicity would have gotten them killed, if the people had found them out. Another example of the mercy of God in preserving the unworthy from their own selfish acts.

    Jesus was trying to get them to see the law as fulfilled in Himself. He did not condone what the woman had done, only forgave her, then sent her on her way with the admonishment not to sin,anymore. This act showed that while Christ was the fulfillment of the law; that it, in fact, was/is the embodiment of His very character, by pardoning her, He in no way rendered it null or void, which is the reason that He had to sacrifice Himself to satisfy it’s claims against sinners.

    We are all of us sinners just by being born, accountable to the law. There is also no temptation that any of us have, that He, HImself, did not have. I believe that most men alive, today, or have ever lived, if they were honest, have had at least one perverted thought or temptation along the lines of what we’re discussing. It’s just that some take it a step or two further in actually committing the act. It isn’t sin to be tempted, as Christ, Himself, was tempted on may occasions by Satan, yet was without sin, it’s only sin when it’s entertained for any length of time or carried out.

    “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” (Hebrews 4:15) YET… He overcame, by faith, faith in His Father’s power. We, also, can overcome, by faith through Him (Christ) and through what He has done for us. We are not excused by grace to sin, indefinitely. We must overcome, if we desire salvation. Sin cannot abide in God’s presence, nor any sinner go to Heaven and live in God’s presence.

    Just as any murderer or adulterer or thief or liar, cannot continue to practice their sin and expect to receive eternal life, neither can any sexual deviant continue to pervert the law of God with Satan’s specious counterfeit.

  38. @Incredulous-You said-“Something else about the woman ‘caught’ in adultery… there wasn’t a “man” so much as men, involved with her in sin… the ones accusing her, to be precise. That was the primary reason why they didn’t immediately stone her, as they would have had to submit to the same punishment. They had each had their turn with her on some occasion. Also, they wanted to discredit Christ by getting Him to pardon an adulteress, defying the law, the same as they had on other occasions attempted to get Him to commit heresy/treason.

    Jesus was writing their complicity with her in the dust at their feet, which, upon seeing what He knew about them, caused them to quit the scene, right smartly. They were real enough, in the sense of their priestly office, but, corrupt as hell. (No pun intended) Hypocritical? Yes, indeed. But, their complicity would have gotten them killed, if the people had found them out. Another example of the mercy of God in preserving the unworthy from their own selfish acts.”

    While I can agree with you on them being hypocrites, pretty much every thing else you said is opinion and not supported by the bible. But the bible does say “do not tempt the Lord your God” And it does condemn the act of adultery. I don’t feel the need to make it more than that. Yes Jesus came to fulfill the law but the fact remains that He hadn’t fulfilled it yet. Any other commentary about Jesus writing their sins in the sand and the priest being intimate with the lady is not needed. This is a problem within the church today. Too much addition (because it sounds good) and not enough acceptance of whats written.

    Remember after he healed the leper He told him to go show himself to the priest, because that was a command of the law.

    Jesus told them to stone her, if one of them was without sin. Obviously like I said earlier by them even bringing the woman to tempt Jesus (God)was a sin, so of course they all walked away.

  39. Yes, I should have been more explicit in that there is no direct reference to, and/or any direct accusation against the priests of this crime, in scripture, (at least none I’m aware of, anyway) so I must apologize for that. There is a strong inference for complicity supplied, though, which is a topic of discussion among some theologians on this incident: for example, when you read the text as is…

    “And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, they say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.”

    So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

    When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”

    Like when King David pronounced sentence upon himself, when admonished by Nathan of his misdeeds, these priests, starting from the oldest to the youngest, were made to see that the Lord was on to their guilt. If one really looks at the text, especially where Jesus seems to ignore them while He continues to write, their hesitancy to remain comes through rather strongly, having been “convicted by their conscience” each one of them, oldest to the youngest.

    I think (and, this is only what I think) that anyone as arrogant as these priests, would have easily had the intestinal fortitude to remain and contest Christ’s accusations, with the argument that everyone has sinned at one time or another. There had to be, in my estimation, something pretty powerful, here, to make them back off like they did, so quickly and decisively. As I stated earlier, the crime He would be accusing them of could mean their own deaths. To me, the threat of a good stoning is a powerful incentive to get away while the ‘gettin’s good’. However, in staying with scripture, as we should, suffice to say that there must have been some pretty powerful sins those priests were harboring to send such a group on their way.

    I concede your point, however, that in keeping with the rule that many homosexuals and their sympathizers are ignoring – that scripture is Spirit-given, and good for correction and admonishment – we should not wander from it’s direct and plain assertions.

  40. Gcmwatch and brdavision, you are right, I am not a scholar. I am childlike in my faith. As a young child, as I began my conscious contact with God, I was and still am completely enthralled and smitten with God and how amazing God is, To this day I see something new all the time. I love that God is indefinable, indescribable as God always has more.

    I have experienced God as so excellent, funny, loving, generous, endearing, beautiful, constant, … on and on. Every day, God is more than the day before. It does make me giddy, like on God’s lap. So, it is childlike, you are right. My apologies.

    In reading the post and comments, it does not appear any of the writers have a personal relationship with Bishop Jim Swilley, and with that and the vilifying and visceral writing, I see deep pain in the writers and hurt for you all on that. Which is why I asked what your struggles are. God has shown me that deep internal pain comes out as poison, affecting me, my relationship with God, and the other person. God loves us both, so it is lawful to turn pain into poison, but not beneficial.

    As well as agreeing with Incredulous about pointing out sin, most importantly in ourselves, where we have the best influence, then with our loved ones. I know for me, my whole life is one of perfecting me, and adding value to my loved ones, I certainly have no time for 3rd parties I have no relationship with.

    A very childlike game/ exercise I have done since a child, is for any ‘enemy’ or ‘adversary’ = I love them, first pray my agreement with God for the best God has in them, whatever that is. Then find the pure, edifying, and things about them I can agree with, and compliment those. If I do not know any, because I know them little, I find something about them to edify. It is childlike, I know. I always come back to loving God with all I am, and loving others as I love myself. God tells me that I can only love others in relation to how I love myself, so any time I ‘think’ there is someone I cannot love, I find what I can, because that points to something about what I see in me. So as I find a new way to love God and me, I love others more.

    If it is not beneath you, after inventorying yourself, find out what you can edify in Bishop Jim Swilley, and where your pain is. It may be that a family member or loved one has the same issues, or possibly they are your own issues. Find love for your adversary, especially the ones close to you, or that part of you that is the source of the deep pain. The poison that goes out, has to go through you first. Love is the antidote.

    You may see this as very childlike and so beneath you, that’s OK, I love you anyway. Godspeed to each of us as we each expand our experience with God.

  41. Nobody said anything about childlike faith. You have childish theology. When I was a child I spake as a child, but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
    And to be honest now that you mention it, you dont have childlike faith either. If you did, you wouldnt be supporting homosexuality or Bishop Jim Swilley’s brazen lie. God, in simple and easy to understand terms told us that homosexuality is an abomination to him. If you had childlike faith, you would accept what THE FATHER said without questions and without all the convoluted misinterpretations you continue to wrap yourself in.

  42. Thank you gcmwatch for your insight. You are right, theology has never been an interest of mine. It is created by people to generally serve their interests. God a long time ago told me to skip it, and focus on Love. God said Love unified and theology separated. I was a child and believed and believe God. I love you, and God does with or without any theology which tends to focus on the letter, and Love tends to focus on The Spirit and relationships.

    My relationship with you, and others here has been short. I do see the best in you and your light that you have. The pain you have is not necessary. The visceral statements vilifying someone speaks volumes of your internal pain. It has to be inside you first to express out of you.

    The Christ has resolved everything retroactively to the foundation. Any possible debt between God and people past, present, and future has been resolved. The only condemnation is between people, there is none from God to people. God has given each of us the ministry of reconciliation between us. You, and all on this site are reconciled with me, and I with you. We always have been. Believe it or not, you are also reconciled with Bishop Jim Swilley and he with you.

    All the time, and in particular this time of year, – ‘Goodwill and Peace to ALL people’. If you can find it in yourselves to do so, express that which is of goodwill and peace. What I have shared apparently has not resonated with your Spirit, and I take no offense. We are all connected in the Christ, God is absolutely wonderful, and the source of what connects every neutron, electron, and proton that comprises all things and people we each perceive. I love you anyway, and God loves you all. Merry Christmas and Love which always succeeds. Welcome Home. God Bless.

  43. Eric can we just end this ghost chase already? You keep skating over the central reason THIS POST was written. Its called false doctrine and false teaching which kills and damages people considerably. You want to lather that in useless platitudes that I doubt you live by yourself. So please spare me and the other readers here. All the toothless “love”, “Merry Christmas” and other temporary religious platitudes are meaningless when one considers that false teachers do not take a break in deceiving people.

    At this time of year we should also remember that Jesus said “Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I have come to divide people against each other!
    Luke 12:51

    There is no peace and good will for the wicked and those whose goal is deceive God’s people. And if you want to hold hands, make excuses for their wickedness and sing kumbayah with them, they I consider you just like them.

    I hope this is your last post with this foolishness.

  44. @Erik Stremke-you said: “You are right, theology has never been an interest of mine. It is created by people to generally serve their interests. God a long time ago told me to skip it, and focus on Love. God said Love unified and theology separated.”

    Erik right there you have proven to me that you don’t even know the God of the bible. Theology is not what separates people, sound doctrine is what separates people. The difference between right and wrong. Some prefer to make up their own views and beliefs (which you have admittedly done) and some have discernment (God given and acquired with much bible study) that helps us follow the word of God truthfully. Why in the world would God tell you to only love people and not worry about sound teaching? How would you know if what you were doing was right?

    Jesus said:
    Matthew 7:15 (King James Version)

    15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    So I guess Jesus was a liar???

    And since everyone can see what you are doing is not right, then it goes back to what you originally lied about. You lied on God telling you to avoid theology. But you know what? maybe something did speak to you. it was probably a demonic spirit, the same one inside of you, which is telling you that Bishop Silly is ok with God. You know that satan can transform into an angel of light? You know he also has ministers (liars) as well right?

    Whats funny Erik is that not one time have you presented any scripture in your argument. And its the same with all of you who are deceived. You are emotionally charged and driven by the way you feel, while constantly overriding the commands of God. You claim GCMwatch is in pain?? Your words show that you are an INCLUSIONIST LIAR and if you don’t get this corrected you are the one who will be in pain…..everlasting pain.

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