California Legislators Pass "Inborn Homosexuality" Bill

SACREMENTO, CA – The future has arrived and with it has come a new reality. California Legislators started off 2011 by implementing AB 2199,  a law that codifies homosexuality as inborn.  This particular bill overturned the 60 year law (under California Code 8050) that required doctors and mental health care professionals to find a cure for homosexuality and other types of sexual deviant behavior.   Long Beach Democratic Assemblywoman Bonnie Lowenthal (left), the author of the bill AB 2199, stated that the previous law was outdated.  Lowenthal argued (without any evidence) that people are born homosexuals and have choice in the matter.

It will be interesting to see how this law affects Christian Social Workers, Counselors, and Churches.   One News Now  One News Now interviewed Christian Social Worker Veronica Esqueda of Los Angeles.

“I do think it’s going to open up their comfort level, and I think it’s going to make it more acceptable,” she explains. “Obviously, I am one that believes that it’s not an error — you are born the way God intended you to be,” she notes, adding that she believes homosexuality is a choice.”

This reminds me of how John the Baptist was in the wilderness loudly crying out against King Herod’s sexual immorality when he was involved in an adulterous affair with his brother’s wife Herodias.  Herod eventually divorced his wife and married Herodias.  Herodias became extremely angry and wanted him dead when John the Baptist denounced she and King Herod as adulteres and called for their repentance.   So what did she do?  She had her daughter dance for King Herod.   While he was in a drunken lust, Herodias’s daughter requested the head of John the Baptist. The moral of this true biblical story is that when God raises up a prophetic voice to cry out against sexual immorality (or sin period), the enemy gets angry and wants to chop off the head of the church which is God’s prophetic voice within the Earth.

The spirit of herod versus God’s prophetic voice

The homosexual activist movement is the new Herod, enraged because we preach against their sexual immorality and command repentance and change. With the aid of the apostate church, they seek to keep people hostage in homosexuality by “preaching” homosexuality isn’t sinful or abnormal.  Warning: to my fellow Christian counselors and pastors:  you can no more reason with these activists than John the Baptist could with Herodias.   They want our heads!  If you compromise the Word of God,  embrace  the “gospel of inclusion” and become a gay affirming church they will welcome you with open arms.  But would it profit you to gain the world’s acceptance only to lose your soul?

How will this new law affect churches and counselors?   It may have to cost some Christian Organizations their 501 c 3 non-profit designation.   It may cost others their government grants and money for programs and building projects.  It may cause some to lose popularity.  Christian counselors, will you stand for God’s Word or man’s law when counseling someone that is homosexual?  Christians may have lawsuits filed against them to force them to be silent.  That’s what happened in Brazil(here). This new law will view anyone that is a biblically sound Christian as a bigot, hatemonger and one that discriminates against a minority group.   Figuritively, this law is a page taken out of the homosexual agenda .  Point four of  the agenda makes gays look good.  Point five make the victimizers look bad. As we stated in past articles, Prop 8: Spiritual Warfare in California Part 1, and Prop 8: Spiritual Warfare in California Part 2 we’re not fighting against flesh and blood, but against a well organized evil spiritual beings that control this world system.

As Christians we must stand on the Word of God and speak the Truth. A famous quote by Edmund Burke states, ” All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”  We can’t be silent now!  The gospel of the Kingdom must be preached unto all nations .  Its only when we do this that the end will come.  Keep in mind dear saints, that although adversity and persecution is sure to come we must fight the good fight of faith.

Is homosexuality really inborn ?   Let’s base this question on the Word of God and not the philosophies and opinions of men. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 says, ” Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
If you are a Christian counselor, social worker or pastor in California and are concerned about the implications of this new on your profession, we’d like to hear from you please share your thoughts with GCM Watch.
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42 thoughts on “California Legislators Pass "Inborn Homosexuality" Bill

  1. As a citizen of California, this is great news. Civility has won out over the religious madness… for now (to be cont’d)

  2. The only madness anyone is experiencing in california is the out of control hiv infection rates, stds and crystal meth addiction the homosexual community suffers from. Don’t care to mention that do you Todd?

  3. @Robert. I don’t pay attention to primitive cultists. Try your inferior antics on a lesser developed mind. Your comedy incarnate. Lets look at the effectiveness of the ‘black church’ in the light of African Americans leading nearly every devasating statistic: (a) illteracy (b) incarceration rates (c) HIV-infections in heterosexual black women (d) black-on-black crime. Yet, the church’s coffers are full of money and the community it was charged to reach is left helpless and your beloved church has become all the more irellevant in the modern era. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

  4. Elder,
    Great article as usual. I wanted to look at something for a minute though. Did the church really loose anything here IF we acknowledge that homosexuals are born that way? I know the science doesn’t back up or support the homosexual birth claim, but let’s look from a scriptural standpoint for a minute.

    According to scripture we are all shaped in iniquity and born in sin. (Ps. 51) Sin defiles ALL of God’s creation including the genome. It is a false assumption to believe that we are born “perfectly”. If we are imperfect due to sin, then we can expect persons to be born in a broken condition. This is why we MUST be born again! (John 3)

    So in my mind this helps put a context on the situation that the church has been reluctant to place on it. Birth in no way equals perfection or how one is “supposed to be”…Sin defiled God’s intent and I believe this defilement is from the womb. If that’s the case what about all those born with birth defects such as blindness, retardation, etc…are they “supposed to be” that way??? Is that the physical or moral “perfection of God??? I would say NO, and that SIN has caused such conditions to include both a moral and physical imperfection that ONLY the gospel of Jesus Christ is positioned to address and ultimately deliver mankind from.

    My comments may not be received well by some, but I think when we examine this in light of scripture, we can only see that the target of the gospel extends beyond adults able to make decisions, all the way to the womb where brokeness and the sin condition sometimes begins. The homosexual claims what he/she claims because of sin not because of a physical or moral perfection that they personally have denied or defiled. They, like all of us were born defiled to whatever extent and need a savior that can wash away their sins and deliver them from the sin of homosexuality.

  5. Todd January 8th, 2011 1:13 am

    @Robert. I don’t pay attention to primitive cultists. Try your inferior antics on a lesser developed mind. Your comedy incarnate. Lets look at the effectiveness of the ‘black church’ in the light of African Americans leading nearly every devasating statistic: (a) illteracy (b) incarceration rates (c) HIV-infections in heterosexual black women (d) black-on-black crime. Yet, the church’s coffers are full of money and the community it was charged to reach is left helpless and your beloved church has become all the more irellevant in the modern era. Pathetic. Simply pathetic.

    Ok Todd I’ll respond,

    So why did you respond and why are you here, doesn’t that invalidate you all ready? The sad reality is you can’t debunk the facts so you have to insult the messenger…..
    The comments of “primitive cultist,” and debasing me to a “lesser developed mind” are comments that reek of a eugenics supporter. The problem in the black community is lack of fathers, no fathers in the home and this is what you get. HIV infection rates are high in black women because they are sleeping with bi-sexual men. So really if we look at CDC statistics over 80% of new HIV cases are caused because of men who have sex with other men.

  6. @Robert-a personal attack is the weapon of choice for gay supporters. Because the bible condemns homosexuality and the bible is not going to change, they attack who they can. Those who support the word of God. Unfortunately witty comments filled with slander and hatred still won’t change what the word of God says.

    Todd you may get all the laws passed in your favor but your lifestyle is still condemned. Unless you repent and turn from all sin, you will not enter into the kingdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version)

    9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

  7. Supt Burnett I truly agree all of us were born defiled with the stain of sin embedded in our spiritual dna.

    I think what some people fail to realize is while we were all born in sin and shaped in inquirty, God did not create us in sin. He created man holy. There’s a stark difference in born and create. Birth results from a combination of predetermined factors. Create means to simply cause to become/exist with no predeterminates. So the issue is not one of man’s doing but one of God’s creative action. So God did not create any homosexuals and it is a lie and blasphemy to attribute such to his holiness.

    That to me is the major point the church is missing when it affirms homosexuality in this context. Thus, our need and requirement for the new birth.

    The homosexual movement and their blind supporters are passing these laws (like AB 2199) because within themselves they know their arguments are baseless. Of course they will never acknowledge this. They MUST shut down the voice of the opposition, the truthtellers. Like all tyrants who are afraid of one “John the Baptist”, they use the legal system to kill us or imprison us. There’s no other way they can stop what God has commanded us to say. Thats why when they stand before God they will be without excuse.

    Oh and just in case you missed it this article was written by shofarsound who lives in Cali. I loved how he brought out the John the Baptist aspect!

  8. Shofar brings up a good point about the tax exempt status.

    501 c 3 non-profit designation is something churches need to separate from. Stop relying on the government and rely on God. You can’t truly say God is your Provider if you are using the 501c3 safety net.

  9. Elder,

    I fully agree, but I suppose it centers around the word “create” as you indicate. I guess I take more of a transducionist path in this but does that word apply to all of us who have been born since Adam? I’m just thinking this through so please don’t take take me as being dogmatic on the issue.

    I just wonder, can we apply “create” to anyone born under sin? The reason I ask is because both of us agree that God didn’t create anything that is not holy and or perfect both morally and physically since that is a reflection of his image. However, in this world we can see that moral and physical imperfections exist. ie: deformities, some mental illnesses from the womb etc. If we use the rubric that God creates individuals from the womb and yet does not create physical or moral imperfections, then what do we do with those who are physically and morally imperfect from the womb? Are they “created” by some other source?

    Rather, we “might” best say that, the “creation” of Adam and that of Jesus was “perfect”, but all others born into sin. We were shaped in iniquity and conceived in sin. Because of sin that was not a part of the original creation, makes all the “copies” (you and I) imperfect from the womb. I believe the fact that death is upon every one born is the indication of that. Now this in no way establishes the rule that ALL homosexuals are born that way. Like we both know sex is a choice and some people have chosen this path sexually, but it does open another dimension of discussion.

    This in no way excuses the acts of the homosexual, no more than the murder is excused for murder and a desire to murder. The charlatans that teach that because one practices ungodliness because they were “born” to do so should be condemned. We all “used to be” something but Christ can and has changed us.

    Those are my thoughts and only the REAL Christians such as yourself, Brandon and the other godly individuals that read and post on your site can biblically and accurately discuss the issue. Those who are not open to the Lordship of Jesus can’t help us perceive truth on this.

  10. Can we apply “create” to anyone born under sin? In a broad context I would say yes all humanity was created by God (in the image of God) and the image of God is without imperfection. Yet it can be separated from being born as a human with sin. In fact, it would have to be because to attribute otherwise would invariably attach an imperfection to the nature of God. I base that on God’s unimpeachable holiness. His creation is perfect and any degraded variations (imperfections) of his creation is not the work of his hands. It is the result of man’s own refusal to live in the created state. Such imperfections are cause and effect rather than intent. And its important to note that sin has two tiers of effect: direct and indirect.

    To me thats the same as when I hear people say we are all God’s children. We are not. We are all God’s creation, but not all his children as one’s unregenerate state is the derterminant of that status. And I think you will agree that even our spiritually regenerated state does not entirely insulate us from the moral and physical imperfections of this world. As you said that still does not give us any sanction to embrace or practice such things as if they were immutable (Rom 6:1).

    The authority of the law has always been based on protecting one’s immutable characteristics. “We hold these truths to be self evident… that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable (read:immutable) rights”.
    Homosexuality is not an immutable right given by God. The practice of homosexuality (committing the act) is a right given by God as all have the right to sin, meaning the choice to sin or not sin. But its only by default, a consequence of our fallen state, not his creative intent.

    Thats why Christians cannot support every right, just because the law may deem it a right. To do so would be to betray our Creator’s intent for humanity.

    I hope Im understanding your mindflow on this.

  11. @ Todd,

    Leave it to ignorant people such as yourself to not be able to carry on an intelligent conversation without making a personal attack. No amount of hypocrisy and bile that you try to spew will change the fact that:
    A) Homosexuality is wrong.
    B)That you are not born a homosexual. We are all born the same. When you give in to the unnatural lusts put on your heart by Satan and not call upon the Lord to give you strength against it, YOU make the choice to accept it!!!
    C) There is still hope for you. Accept Jesus Christ and the salvation freely given. Your lifestyle is a sin. Turn away from it before it’s too late.

    @GCMW : I have been a reader of this site for a long time now. I feel now it’s time to get off of the sidelines and jump into the fray. Keep the faith and thank you for this blog.

    GCMW: Welcome to the battlefield sir! Sharpen your sword, gird up the loins of your mind and join us.

  12. Happy New Year.

    Supt. H. Burnett makes some good points. something to think about!

    @GCM Watch…you said “His creation is perfect and any degraded variations (imperfections) of his creation is not the work of his hands. It is the result of man’s own refusal to live in the created state. Such imperfections are cause and effect rather than intent. And its important to note that sin has two tiers of effect: direct and indirect.”

    I want a clear understanding of what you’re saying here. Are you saying that anything that children that are created less than perfect (ie. physical, mental abnormalities) is not of God, but is a result of man (parents or whomever) not living in God’s original created state? Something that even Adam could not do? How would you define living in His created state? And who has successfully done this ‘other’ than our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ??

    Trying to get an understanding

    GCMW: My reference is to conditions (imperfections) and not people.

  13. Excellent article. I pray that more christians become aware of this immoral movement especially in tne democratic party under the agenda of progressive liberals, many black americans think the democrats are the same civil rights group of 60’s, but they are a new group with an agenda that strongly supports homosexuality activism.

  14. People of God: Since the homosexual does not recognize their act(s) as sin(s) against a holy God, this
    propoed California bill will give them legitimacy for them to build their case that since it is an inherent
    DNA trait, they are not responsible for their homosexual impulses and as such, any current laws that conflict with their inborn nature should be cancelled.
    It is a “cute” argument but does not hold water since they have not fully thought out the implications of wanting such a “by birth” converage. That would mean that murderers and gluttons and fornicators could also plead for such coverage since they too can state that they have irresistable impulses to act a certain way.
    Caselaw has already been established that an irresistable impulse does not excuse heinous criminal
    behavior. So, if the gay person wants to state that are born with such inbred impulses, that by itself is not enough to excuse deviant sexual behavior.
    We will not even address the spiritual issues that the Blood of Jesus is victorious to overcomes such
    impulses and a person can become a new creation and all old things are passed away.
    If these “Homosexual Birthers” have their way, the logical end result will be that others who engage in other types of deviant behavior, sexual or otherwise, will be locked into a situation wherein they will be seen
    as born with unacceptable deviant behavior modalities and will risk societal scorn.
    If the gay lobby wants to throw their lot in with this type of thinking, it could backfire and by association, they will be seen as people to be avoided who have these irresistable thoughts and accompanying behavior.
    In the spirit realm, it is still reckoned to them as as sin since they are continually refusing the offered grace of those impulses being rid of by Jesus Christ (we call it the forgiveness of sin).
    Simply see this as another round in this warfare of good and evil but Jesus is the victor. We simply have to contend for the faith and keep the lantern raised up in this present darkness.

  15. @Melvin Jones-you said-“Bishop Blake, head bishop of COGIC need to read and learn from your website on a regular basis.”

    This is exactly correct. Why is the presiding bishop so silent on the issue of homosexuality when his church resides in california?

  16. @ Robert and Crucible you said want needed to be said Todd, by speaking the “truth”. I have no need to comment on Todd’s comment. Thank you Robert and Crucible.

    @Robert, yeah I wonder sometimes about these churches holding 501 c 3, and always going after government dollars to fund church programs. Don’t they know once the government comes into the picture, they can dictate what they want.

    @Melvin Jones, the Democratic party is not the same party from 60’s that is for sure, it is more liberal and opposes anything that is Judeo-Christian. However, Republican party has some issues also and it just not racial in some accounts. When Prop 22(first California bill for marriage) was overturned by the California Supreme Court by 4-3 (six of the seven judges were Republicans). Judge Walker who ruled against Prop 8 was a Republican appointed judge. Arizona Senator John Mccain wife and daughter have done advertisement for anti-Prop 8/ pro gay marriage.

  17. You are so right shofarsound BOTH parties have changed. Dems have moved further to the left and the GOP has taken the place the Dems used to occupy on this issue. So our trust or hope for reform cannot be in political organization.

  18. I think that this is very sad news however, it causes me to search the church’s culpability in it. I think often times we didnt teach acceptance and tolerance we failed to understand individuals with same sex attraction. We failed to pray for them because we didn’t understand them. All we offered was hostility. We have some culpability in this because that which we didnt ignore and capitalize off of (choirs,singers etc) we confronted without the love of christ. Thus, fueling much of this anti christian sentiment. We bullied from the pulpit and offered no deliverance. We tell them to get delivered but cant show them how to be delivered and no examples of deliverance. Also culpable are those former homosexuals who got saved and delivered and never told anyone that deliverance was possible.

    I must say I am unsure if homosexuality is inborn because the bible says that we were born in sin and shape in inequity and homosexuality is a sin. While I think it may be possible to be born that way. I know its not GOD’s plan for human sexuality.

    Pray is what we have to do!

  19. Samson said-” I think often times we didn’t teach acceptance and tolerance we failed to understand individuals with same sex attraction.”

    We didn’t need to preach acceptance or tolerance because that’s wrong. However the church did preach it, by not saying anything about it. Ignoring it like it (homosexuality) wasn’t an issue. When they should have preached the whole counsel of the word of God.

  20. By acceptance and tolerance I by no means, mean that it should not be regarded as sin and an affront to GOD. What I mean is that we should be tolerant and accepting of individuals with same sex attractions(the person not the sin). The lack of love acceptance and tolerance is what has caused this to permeate the church. We closeted people who were suffering and allowed them to suffer in silence thus allowing the devil to gain a stronghold. They received no deliverance because we didn’t offer it. We made them afraid to come forward and say “I have desires that I the bible says I shouldn’t”. So they suffered in silence and remained unchanged. I just wish the church was more open so that persons with same sex attraction could come forward and get the deliverance and have the support system they so desperately need.

  21. @ GCMWatch,

    Thanks for clearing that up for me, but your logic on the idea of imperfections in people are the results of direct sin or indirect sin is not biblically sound. You wrote:

    “It (imperfections) is the result of man’s own refusal to live in the created state. Such imperfections are cause and effect rather than intent. And its important to note that sin has two tiers of effect: direct and indirect.”

    But the story of Jesus healing the man born blind lets us know that some imperfections that people are born with are not the result of man’s refusal to live in the created state, or the fault of man—-but rather for the glory of God.

    John 9:1-3
    And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
    And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
    Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

  22. @ Samson, Pastor Foster has offered ministry to people with same-sex desires. Have you ever checkout the website http://www.witnessfortheworld.org which offers deliverance and discipleship ?

    But Brdavision has point by the church not speaking out against made it acceptable. Just look at most churches music ministries are prime example of what Brdavision is talking about. It is as if it is “Don’t ask Don’t tell” policy within churches.” It is to the point you have a “pink elephant” in the room” nobody says anything. The whole church can see that the organist or the praise leader or the choir director is gay, but the pastor will never deal with it. Because he wants to keep good music to entertain the people.

  23. I agree 100% with John 9:1-3 but it doesnt address my statements. Further, it doesnt say nor imply that God created the man blind. It says the man’s blindness was in essence allowed so that God’s power [to heal] could be seen.
    My point again is that all God created he declared “good”. Thus, my statement is biblically sound.

  24. samson whats so contradictory about your comments is that you on one hand advocate what seems to be a spiritual solution and then on the other use the same deceptive language the gay community has used to deceive the church in the first place.
    While in general you are right, are you speaking from personal experience or just a sideline observer? When people come to me with that, ultimately I have to tell them the church didnt die for you, Christ did. And if you truly want deliverance, bypass the church, stop waiting on a magical sermon, acceptance, tolerance, an altar call, etc. Go to God and ask him and HE will deliver you. I did. In fact, that is the message of the veil rent in two at the death of Christ. You dont need the church’s acceptance to be delivered!
    Otherwise, they can get trapped in that Tonex-esque blame game. We know where that leads. You shouldnt be helping people to stay weak even if the excuse seems justifiable. No one can prevent anyone from receiving what Christ has promised.

  25. Agreed. All that God created was good! That’s the word of God.I never brought up the point that all that God created wasn’t good. I was simply pointing out your quote saying that ALL imperfections are either a direct or indirect result of man…

    GCMW: No, I said that imperfections are a direct or indirect result of sin.

    and it still remains that John 9 says otherwise…..God may not have created the issue but neither did the blind man or his patents according to scripture. This your statement abt man’s refusal to love in the created state is In error. According to the word.

    GCMW: No, there is no error in the statement. The context of imperfections mentioned whether DIRECT or INDIRECT result from our fallen nature. This is not an issue of John 9:13 versus my statement although you are trying to position it that way.

    Here is your premise: Imperfections are not caused by sin because John 9:13 says no one sinned that the man was blind.
    My premise: God is not the creator of man’s imperfections, man’s sin is.

    Your premise (only in this case) is right. But it is not a universal application. My premise was not about a specific case, but sin and its broader implications.

    I suggest you go back, read my comments (and Pastor Burnett’s too) to get an understanding of the conversation, rather than cherry picking a point.

  26. Fits well with the New Order of the Barbarians. According to this diabolical idea, the promotion of homosexuality, lesbianism, sex outside of marriage (among other things) is that less children are born, hence the world is saved from overpopulation. What is befalling California Republic usually can be seen in what is what has befallen parts of Europe and I have noticed that so goes the worst of Europe, it is only a matter of time before the USA thinks of it as the next “progressive” phase over here.

  27. @gcmwatch. I agree that GOD is the source of deliverance and that one must go to HIM wholeheartedly. However, I do believe the church has a role. How can they know without a preacher or a teacher? I think the church’s role is to teach and nurture these individuals in the word of GOD and not alienate them. Especially the babes in Christ. We should preach the gospel and live the gospel and check personality and prejudices at the door. Too many times we alienate parishioners instead of nurturing them specifically the babes in chirst..

    While I am saddened by whats happening to Tonex. I am sure he will rebound.

    I’m gonna be okay. While not delivered I am kept. So I am fine. However, I contend that deliverance at times is a process and may not look like what you think it should. While I wont say I’m delivered I have never acted. Its just that when I listen to some sermons I wonder how many boys and girls walked away feeling unloved and unwanted by GOD. Suicide among this demographic is high and I think not all pastors can address this subject without going off the deep end. Thats why I strongly advocate prayer.

  28. @shofar thank you for the link. I agree that not speaking is as equally as damaging advocating. Its a tough subject to approach and I believe one must pray for insight on how to broach it. Personally, I think that’s why GOD allowed this to flourish because we haven’t done right by HIS people. So he is raising up a generation who can not only lead them to deliverance but empathize and nurture them in the way of the LOrd without compromise.

    Shofar said
    ” It is to the point you have a “pink elephant” in the room” nobody says anything. The whole church can see that the organist or the praise leader or the choir director is gay, but the pastor will never deal with it. Because he wants to keep good music to entertain the people.

    Finally I must ask what test are you using to determine that they are gay. In the black community there are many indicators used to perceive someone as gay. Among them for males are light skin, articulation, education, and being clean cut.

  29. “Among them for males are light skin, articulation, education, and being clean cut.”

    For real Samson? because a man has light skin people in the black community think they are homosexual? I have never ever heard people call someone homosexual because of any of these things and I have lived in black communities all my life.

    GCMW: Me either Paul and Ive been black all my life and homosexual over a decade and never heard that before. With that statement by samson, this conversation has taken a bizarre turn. Let’s end it cause it is unfruitful at best.

  30. samson you are misapplying that scripture. The key to rightly dividing Romans 10 verse 14 is in verse 1. Each person can hear God without a preacher. Again, if this were the only avenue where a person could hear God, we are doomed. We are all equal before God and there is no select priesthood of preachers. Once saved we are all called to preach this good news.

    Moreover, The church is a place where fellowship and discipleship should occur in earnest, but with all the predatory down low preachers (both heterosexual and homosexual) in leadership and other sin laden leaders keeping their secrets, with all the compromise and the entertainment driven “worship”, people earnestly seeking God will find little to no help. Of course that’s not every church in the institutional system, but it is the spirit of this church age.

    Since you seem to be in gray area (not good) with your own sense of deliverance, make sure that your advice is not through the prism of your own weakness, but rather the word and power of God.

  31. samson you are misapplying that scripture. The key to rightly dividing Romans 10 verse 14 is in verse 1. Each person can hear God without a preacher.

    What are talking about. Your misapplying scripture and speaking double talk at the same time. Each person can hear GOD yet we are all called to preach. If we can all hear GOD why would one be called to preach once saved? While I agree that all can hear from GOD that does not abolish the role of the pastor and the five fold ministry.

    That is whats wrong with christiandom today. To many long rangers hearing from so called GOD and adopting strange theologies and doctrines of demons. I disagree that those seeking GOD will not find him at church because of leadership sin. I remind you of the David, Saul and the many imperfect and sinful yet anointed men of the bible. For all has sinned and come short of the glory of GOD and the sins and mistakes of a few should not result in such a jaded view of the church.

    Gray matter in deliverance. What?. What is that suppose to mean. I said I was kept not delivered thus implying I had not been delivered from the attraction. However, since I had never acted upon the feelings I had been kept by the grace of God from being overcome by the temptation to act.

  32. @Samson you said, I remind you of the David, Saul and the many imperfect and sinful yet anointed men of the bible. For all has sinned and come short of the glory of GOD and the sins and mistakes of a few should not result in such a jaded view of the church.

    First of all Saul and David lived under the dispensation of law/Old Testament, they didn’t have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit( the Spirit would come upon them do certain task), unlike now we live under the the dispensation of grace/ New Testament( grace is more than just God unmerited favor, but the main thing is divine enablement or power). The Holy Spirit not only allows the saints to move in the gifts of the Spirit, but also the “Fruit of the Spirit” found in Galatians 5:22-25 which is godly character.

    Either carnal minded or people that don’t fully understand the scriptures always attempt to use David as example of someone that is anointed but fell into sin. Or people use the “Christian cliche” “I’m a sinner save by grace.” This term in itself is unbiblical and unsound, it doesn’t lineup with the Word of God, and it reinforces people sinful behavior to never repent. Please read the link below.

    http://www.safeguardyoursoul.com/html/sinners_saved_by_grace_.html

    I will leave you with 1 John 3:6-9 says, ” Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.” A true born again saint doesn’t practice or continue in sin.

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  34. 2. It was god who created the world, Man and beast alike. So why do Wolves, Walruses, Lizards, Dogs and numerous other animals have intercourse with members of the same sex and the opposite? Why would god make a “pure” Animal with “No free will” or ” knowledge” of right and wrong. Do these things?

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