Albert Mohler: Presbyterian gay clergy "total theological tragedy"

The head of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary summed up the Presbyterian Church’s recent drowning death by deception as a “total theological tragedy”.

Rev. Albert Mohler wrote that the “surrender” of the denomination to religious homosexual activism points to a deeper disease. An infection which is spreading throughout the body of Christ. GCM Watch even coined a term for it: Spiritual Immodeficiency Virus aka SIV.

But even beyond the specific issue of homosexuality, the church faced two of the most fundamental questions of Christian theology — the authority of the Bible and the Lordship of Christ. In making this change, the church clearly affirms that one may submit to the Lordship of Christ without submitting to the clear teachings of Scripture.

That is a fundamental error that leaves this denomination now in the implausible position of claiming to affirm the Lordship of Christ while subverting the authority of Scripture. The removal of the constitutional language about marriage and chastity, coupled with the removal of the language about repentance from what Scripture identifies as sin, effectively means that candidates and presbyteries may defy Scripture while claiming to follow Christ.

Clearly, this action could not have happened without this denomination having abandoned any required belief in the full authority, inspiration and truthfulness of the Bible long ago. This most recent decision sets the stage for the total capitulation of this church to the normalization of homosexuality — an act of open defiance against the Scriptures.

In a “churchwide letter” to the denomination, PC(USA) leaders stated:

“Reactions to this change will span a wide spectrum. Some will rejoice, while others will weep. Those who rejoice will see the change as an action, long in coming, that makes the PCUSA an inclusive church that recognizes and receives the gifts for ministry of all those who feel called to ordained office. Those who weep will consider this change one that compromises biblical authority and acquiesces to present culture. The feelings on both sides run deep.”

Well, the feelings no doubt run deep, but the injury to this church runs far deeper than feelings. This is yet another tragedy in the sad history of mainline Protestantism’s race toward total theological disaster.

Other churches should take note. These Presbyterians have been slowly drowning for a long time. God has finally let them sink into the abyss of deception. There is but one abject lesson to be gleaned from this. If you coddle and cater to the demands of religious homosexuals they will take over, dominate you and eventually pull you down into the darkness with them.


23 thoughts on “Albert Mohler: Presbyterian gay clergy "total theological tragedy"

  1. People of God: This moral decline into relativism is not to be seen as a surprise. Humanism has been making inroads into mainline denominations for decades ever since (and before) the God is Dead debate took place in the 60’s.
    Satan is alive and well and is cunning in his deceits which boils down to
    a slow gnawing at biblical truths until all truth is subject to subjectivity of the hearer and not the authority of the objective Word of God.
    What can faithful followers in the PC (USA) camp do? Come out from among them. You have lost your church to the homosexual agenda.
    Next, the argument from them will be that there is no literal hell and the Bible is only one book among many that has truths of how one can be reconciled back to God.
    This is the first major victory for the gay agenda in the PC(USA). More
    are to come since the spiritual backbone of the PC (USA) has been
    compromised beyond repair. The horse is out of the barn…and running… It will not be captured and returned.
    Will Jesus Christ find faith on the earth when he returns? Slim pickings!
    Again, if you are in the PC (USA), unless you are given a clear word of God to stay put and fight(?), you need to get out of Dodge!
    The PC (USA) has fallen to the worldview and they have left their first love. They have not contended for the faith! The next denomination to fall to this agenda? Probably the UMC. The gay agenda in that camp is growing and especially so in light of UMC Bishop Bruce Ough of the Maumee Watershed District (Maumee, Ohio) being supportive of “committed relationships” and also over 30 retired UMC bishops have bowed their knee to Baal and have endorsed the anti God
    madness of gay ordination.
    Only with permission of this website would I give out my e mail so that
    I can send you my charges against this bishop and the tepid response of the appellate bishops which investigated my charges (they denied my charges).
    The last days are quickly upon us!

  2. This is nothing short of a death warrant for PCUSA. They had but to look at the shrinking numbers of The Episcopal Church (TEC) and the de facto schism of the Anglican Communion to see the effects of caving in to the relativist/homosexual agenda. In an age wherein young people are looking for moral certainty and spiritual anchoring, Western mainline denominations seem to be shooting themselves in the foot by offering more of what the world offers and turning away from the transforming Gospel of Jesus to a “shadow gospel” of their own making. None is so blind as he who refuses to see.

  3. Mohler is relevant and out of touch. He is representative of a dying breed of antiqued theologians that can’t fathom a world outside of biblical legalism, which of course, urinates on the notion of a benevolent loving God

  4. TruthKid, GOD HAS RULES!!! In fact, every loving parent does. The rules are put into place with the welfare of the child and the rest of the family at heart. When the rules are broken order and safety for all are jeopardised. Sometimes a persistent offender must be cast out or even eliminated for the welfare of the majority. Such punishment doesn’t mean that the one cast out or eliminated wasn’t the recipient of love; what is implied by the offender’s action was that love was not reciprocal.
    Such is the case with all humanity. However, our Father has provided a remedy whereby we may be rejoined to His Family through the atoning death ( our just punishment ) of Jesus Christ and rehabilitation, by the gracious gift of His Holy Spirit, unto sanctification. He alone endows us with the power to be tranformed by the renewing of our minds.

  5. Nice try TruthKid… but no cigar. Your vulgar description only confirms that you are both in sin and angry with God about your sin being called out on the carpet.
    Of course you do not want to repent. You enjoy your sin and defy others to tell you that your conduct is reprehensible in God’s eyes.
    Dr. Mohler is not hardly out of touch or tune with the happenings in the gay agenda.
    You are cross because someone else is calling you out and so you attack the messenger because you can not refute the message.
    Truthkid…repent and believe the gospel!

  6. Truthkid, playing the legalism card again huh? I guess you’ll ride that to the day you die, huh? Cant imagine a world outside the legalism card can you? Its not possible that the values of others are why you exist today, huh? Your comment is akin to a person who crosses a bridge and then immediately turns around to burn it.

    That being said (or asked rhetorically) if Dr. Mohler is a dying breed, then I guess God is too. God originated all this. The loving benevolent God is the same one who killed thousands of his chosen people for their brazen disobedience. But of course because sin has blackened your vision, you can only see one side of him. Sooner or later, you will meet God —as he is— and all that he is. But then it will be too late to change your belief about him. Consider yourself forewarned.

  7. Seriously “Truth”Kid?

    What utter nonsense and to me downright stupidity.

    If the rules of the bible is legalism then so are any set of laws including one’s that says that killing is wrong. Who are you (or any other persons, majority or not) to say these things are wrong?

    What you are doing is putting your perverted feelings up front and making them the judge and jury.

    The majority in this world see nothing wrong with fornication but we can clearly see the terrible effects of it in disease spreading and single parent homes. So is that irrelavant also, is one out of touch to believe that man should wait until they are married?

    How can a man be wrong to judge a church based on the bible they say they believe in? Do you see how foolish your statement is.
    Its like saying the police shoudnt be held accountable to the law they claim they are upholding.

    You sir are out of order and need to humble yourself and repent!

  8. @Truthkid I once spoke to you saying confrontation is okay when it has bearing and brings forth necessary change (for the better). But its another thing when it brings forth nothing but foolishness, based on in the end having nothing to say at all. I would ask you read Paul’s ltr to the Romans, often called the Christian Manifesto (telling us how to live) especially the first (2) chapters, you’ll find the apostle making a strong statement, “And God turned them over to a REPROBATE (I emphasize) mind.” Be sure my friend this is not the mind your operating in, because if so, your already lost, and noone but Christ can find you again.

  9. Sidenote: I absolutely hate it when a post becomes about a bizarre comment rather than the content of the post. Note to self: delete bizarre comments as quickly as possible.

    End of truthkid comments

  10. I was waiting for that Pastor Foster. Truth Kid is nothing more than a lie seeking foul mouthed lost soul. Who is desperately in need of a Savior.

    I’m praying for you kid…..(I removed the truth part from your name, I’m sure you understand)

  11. I have legitimates question for you Rev. M.E.V.

    Scripture is ‘inspired’ by (not written by) God, yet it is realized completely through human understanding, degree of education, awareness, and mental health. . As such, it’s intellectually plausible to say that which we call scripturally, the Logos of God Almighty, is in fact, an honest (yet excruciatingly limited) narrative derived by finite men, with finite minds. In the light of such facts, can any (finite) human being fully know the rules and/or designs (an infinite) God has for all life (sentient, and otherwise)?
    Also, are you clear on the distinction between doctrine and scripture? Do you know how the bible was canonized?
    Do you know there has NEVER been one central way of “being Christian”? And, since what we now know of as Christianity was created posthumous of Jesus, all the original church had was his tremendous, life-changing, transcending teachings of “love” – yes, love that multifaceted, expression of God (incarnate). There was no doctrine for the “new Church” . . . There was as of yet, no abusive men, with considerable agendas like Emperor Constantine and the various attendees at the Nicean Councils. The original idea (which came straight out of Jesus’ mouth) was a message of Hope, Love, and transcendence – all available for those who would incline their hearts towards the manifested logos (as in literal person).
    The modern Church, however, is controlled by narrow minded exegesis, and doctrinal statements about scripture, that, in and of themselves, are NOT scripture. Yet, disagreements about various Doctrines developed by men – such as the Doctrines of Hell, Trinity, Christology, Salvation, Justification by Faith, and many others, have been the source of denominational rifts, splits, reformations, holy crusades, exterminations of other human civilizations et al.
    The evidence is overwhelmingly clear for divergent ideas as to what this Christ Consciousness Movement ( or, the literal Church of God IN Christ) “is”. There has never been (one philosophically) united Christian Church, and given the required human component, there never will be.

    Humans are very quick to deride someone else as heretic (which originally means free-thinker), or apostate for not “affirming a particular brand of exegesis or catechism. Jesus was so simple. Acknowledge God, live for Him, love like each moment is your last and “they will know you are Christians by your love” – Not doctrinal statements, not legalistic interpretations of scripture, not “my denomination is better than yours”.

  12. TK, Im assuming in relation to this story, you are saying that opposition to homosexuality wasnt a part of Jesus’ teaching, thus our objections are out of that scope.

    Please cite your sources for the claims you made. I’d like to see how legitimate they are.

  13. Sure thing gcmwatch. I’ll dig them up for you. I apologize for not having my reference material on hand, though, I didn’t anticipate a request for sources (although I should have, given my polar position).

    I certainly will do that. While I gather my sources, are there any ‘conservative’ scholars you recommend that hold to a particular understanding of the ‘original design (of Christ) during the first century of Christianity? I like to balance my ideas (which are unabashedly left) with the right.


  14. TK, thats quite all right. I didnt anticipate asking you for that, but your assertions demand some sort of substantiation outside of yourself. Otherwise its an opinion celing and most likely not a legitimate counter to Albert Mohler’s position.

    I dont cite conservative scholars to legitimize my claims. The bible is enough source proof for me. So called conservative scholars if they agree with the Bible, are certainly good reference, but not to support my source arguments. Since its not the same for you, then its up to you to at least tell us where you get these claims from. I will say that they are not new. John Boswell did a Joseph Smith and came up with much of it. Variations have abounded since that time.

  15. Scripture is profound but simple. Likewise, the recorded conversations of God and Christ with men are profound but simple. Where there is complexity, look for Satan at work.

    Faith and Truth are not of the intellect. They are not reached by reasoning. They are simply known, felt and experienced. They cannot be affirmed by debate nor can they be dispelled by debate. They spring from a Source beyond mere mortal logic.

    Those who seek to undermine Faith seek to do so by making Truth subject to logic and intellectual debate. Do we discern right from wrong by using a logic paradigm? No. We discern right from wrong by using our God-given conscience.

    Those who inwardly deny God and who serve Satan cannot comprehend Christian Faith. It is quite simply beyond the scope of their experience. Therefore, they are compelled to speak in relativistic terms, using limited intellectual logic and reason. What is the problem with that?

    Intellectual logic and reason are like a computer program; garbage in, garbage out. False assumptions lead invariably to false conclusions. This is how Satan seeks to befuddle, confuse and obfuscate.

    We are to use the right tool for the right job. Intellect, logic and reason were given to us so that we might function efficiently in the material world. Faith and conscience were given to us that we might discern right from wrong, good from evil and Truth from untruth. Don’t use a wrench to drive a nail and don’t use a hammer to tighten a bolt.

  16. Satan has infiltrated that church at the highest levels, but he’s not God, and he will not have the final word. These announcents of ordaining open sin in the pulpit, is a brilliant strategy of the enemy. For in almost every instance, the true believers will just get up and leave the congregation, sometimes without praying and seeking God if it was TIME for them to leave. What if God wants you to leave, but not today? What if He wants the blood-bought, Holy spirit filled saint to stay there for a while longer and teach the Sunday School, so the little children are exposed to God’s holiness? Numbers are never an indicator of who’s winning the war when God is in the equation. Maybe we need to stop running away at the sounds of Rabshakeh exalting his satanic master, maybe God is looking for soldiers who will remain in their posts until He says otherwise. Rabshakeh is everywhere with his announcements on how the gay agenda is winning, he’s on YouTube, the evening news, blogs, you name it. And saints are being discouraged and leaving some congregations to be taken over by ravening wolves with perverse appetites. The gay agenda will not appeased with logic and facts, for this is a spiritual battle; we are dealing with the same kind of defiant, truth-hating, murderous spirits that prompted a set of Jews to try and throw Jesus Christ headlong over a cliff because he told them the truth! Yes, Jesus Christ came to die, but God had a specific time, method and purpose for his death, and the enemy was trying to kill Jesus Christ BEFORE God’s appointed time. So it is with the gay agenda, the devil is trying to get true saints to leave their posts as watchmen and sentries before God’s appointed time. It is easy to walk away in righteous anger, but who will seek God’s face for Holy Ghost power to drive these bare-faced demons out of the house of God? Whose report will you believe?

  17. final warning. Either you debate content or you will be placed on read only status. The silly barbs do nothing to advance the discussion or challenge another person’s thinking. If you are incapable of doing so, then just dont post. Your choice. —GCMW

  18. Scripture is essential to every true Christian church. Why? Because Scripture is Truth in written word. As such, it cannot be altered unnoticed. It cannot be “adapted” to accomodate worldly changes. The primary characteristic of Scripture is that, unlike worldly things, it is immutable. It sets down in written form eternal truths as opposed to the relative and changing “truths” of the material world.

    Scripture preserves, unchanged, for all future generations the Word of God. Thus the true Church continues on, in pure form, even as we mortals come and go from this world.

    The measure of any Christian church is the degree to which it aligns itself with Scripture. There is not nor can there be any other measure.

    “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” – Luke 6:46.

    It is not sufficient for a Christian denomination to distribute the Holy Bible. It is not sufficient for a Christian denomination to quote from the Holy Bible. It is only sufficient for a Christian denomination to continually encourage the failthful to become living examples of Scripture through their thoughts, words and deeds in their everyday lives.

    “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?” – Matthew 7:16.

    When we see an allegedly Christian denmonination calling Jesus Christ “Lord” but doing not the things which He says, when we see it producing fruit which we dare not, as Christians, eat, then we have good reason to question whether that denomination is indeed still Christian.

    As regards what we as individuals should do about the situation, the answer is the same single answer which applies in every circumstance; pray to God and Jesus Christ for guidance. Is there some other way? If so, I have not found it.

  19. Please advise what you are talking about. Also, I would hope that you would apply this same measuring stick to EVERYONE here. Particularly those who bash me for being a radical intellectual.

  20. The conspiracy you appear to allude to, is a reflection of sloppy (or non-existent) Biblical and extra biblical scholarship, ignorance of U.S. History and Black oppression ( i.e, the enslavement of blacks). The only agenda is to be free of oppressive and dogmatic religion that bares little resemblance to God. Given that fundamentalist Christianity betrays the Christ ethos entirely, and as such, isn’t Christianity at all. So you repent and return to the “original” Gospel of Jesus – which is only Love. There was no doctrine or “even” scripture in the new church. The words of Jesus weren’t written down until after his death. Education, saves lives!

  21. Do you realize how nonsensical your rant was? Laws are made by people in the first place – all laws, all legalism. Who am I to reject the laws that other men have written? Are you this thick? I challenge any ‘law’ that purposes to silence rights, namely autonomy and freedom from the ‘majority’. As a black person, I know a little something about the legalism and law-crafting of the majority to silence the rights of Blacks. So, you see, your argument is insulting on many levels. If I were to abide by your faulty logic, blacks should remain oppressed by “laws” that majority all white people wrote.

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