Methodist clergy ignore damning homosexual "marriage" research

Minneapolis – Methodist clergy in Minneapolis are either ministers of satan of insane ministers of satan.   With research showing that homosexuals have no value for what we understand and practice in relationships as monogamy, they are pressing ahead to marry same gender partners.  Who cares about silly marital restrictions like adultery and nonmonogamy when “equality” is at stake?

Seventy Methodist “clergy” have decided they intend break church (nevermind the Word of God) law and marry off homosexuals no matter what.  While the homosexual community continues to speak out both sides of the neck about their so-called marriage, new information is out that homosexual marriage is more like snakes mating in dens than a counterpart to tradition heterosexual marriage. The truth is out, so read on.

“We joyfully affirm that we will offer the grace of the Church’s blessing to any prepared couple desiring Christian marriage,” reads the statement introduced this week at the 2011 Minnesota Annual Conference.

“We are convinced by the witness of others and are compelled by Spirit and conscience to act. We thank the many United Methodists who have already called for full equality and inclusion of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people in the life of the Church.”

The Rev. Bruce Robbins, pastor of Hennepin Avenue United Methodist Church in Minneapolis, read the statement to clergy Wednesday during a time of personal privilege, the United Methodist News Service reported. By the end the day, 40 clergy members had signed the statement. As of Friday, the number of signers reached 70.

Although the statement is just a statement, publicly advocating for lawlessness and the breaking of church rule belies the heart of these religious heathens. All the platitudes about covenant, civility, equality and faithfulness are just euphemisms for sanctioning sin. When the leaders cause people to go astray and disobey the Word of God, God himself pronounces severe judgment on them.

Jeremiah 23:1 -2 Woe unto the shepherds that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith Jehovah. Therefore thus saith Jehovah, the God of Israel, against the shepherds that feed my people: Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them; behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith Jehovah.

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Speaking of homosexual marriage, here’s what the clergy are breaking God’s law to “bless”. A story in the New York Times said that a number of homosexual marriages are “successful” because they do not live by stupid rules like not committing adultery with multiple sex partners. The article was by undercover gay journalist Scott James. Remember him?

When Rio and Ray married in 2008, the Bay Area women omitted two words from their wedding vows: fidelity and monogamy.

“I take it as a gift that someone will be that open and honest and sharing with me,” said Rio, using the word “open” to describe their marriage.

Love brought the middle-age couple together — they wed during California’s brief legal window for same-sex marriage. But they knew from the beginning that their bond would be forged on their own terms, including what they call “play” with other women.

As the trial phase of the constitutional battle to overturn the Proposition 8 ban on same-sex marriage concludes in federal court, gay nuptials are portrayed by opponents as an effort to rewrite the traditional rules of matrimony. Quietly, outside of the news media and courtroom spotlight, many gay couples are doing just that, according to groundbreaking new research.

A study to be released next month is offering a rare glimpse inside gay relationships and reveals that monogamy is not a central feature for many. Some gay men and lesbians argue that, as a result, they have stronger, longer-lasting and more honest relationships. And while that may sound counterintuitive, some experts say boundary-challenging gay relationships represent an evolution in marriage — one that might point the way for the survival of the institution.

New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.

That consent is key. “With straight people, it’s called affairs or cheating,” said Colleen Hoff, the study’s principal investigator, “but with gay people it does not have such negative connotations.”

The study also found open gay couples just as happy in their relationships as pairs in sexually exclusive unions, Dr. Hoff said. A different study, published in 1985, concluded that open gay relationships actually lasted longer.

None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.

According to the research, open relationships almost always have rules.

So this is what the Methodist pastors want to bless?

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41 thoughts on “Methodist clergy ignore damning homosexual "marriage" research

  1. “We are convinced by the witness of others and are compelled by Spirit and conscience to act”.

    They sure are compelled by a spirit, the spirit of antichrist.

  2. Clearly you aren’t suggesting that ‘open’ marriages don’t exist (with wild abandon) in the heterosexual context? Surely you aren’t saying the heterosexual institution of marriage (in America) is a success when over 50% of these marriages end in divorce? Just a moment of illumination.

  3. Open marriages, in hetersexual marriages, are not the NORM as it is in the homosexual community. Also the divorce rate is much lower for Christians, who ACTUALLY live a lifestyle based on the principles of God and the bible, vs just claiming Christ, but living everything opposite, to what He and the Word of GOD stands for. As we can see SIN, doesn’t play any favorites. It tears up and ruins lives, and condemns one to the 2nd death…

  4. The article is misleading. It found some gay couples happy with “open” relationships..so what! There are some straight couples happy with the same thing. its hard to paint all gay couples as having “open” relationships. That’s like saying all heterosexual couples engage in “sex” with other heterosexual couples…

    Now, I understand the need to fight against gay marriage from a spiritual stand point but to unfairly label all gay couples as “unfaithful” unions is a little silly. Frankly, I would rather gay people get married and remain faithful to each other than lie and live on the DL in our churches marrying our sisters and secretly having affairs with other brothers passing HIV/AIDS and other diseases around as they go….

    I don’t support gay marriage on Biblical grounds but just on pure tactical reasons it would help to prevent the rapid spread of diseases in the Black Church. I know some don’t like to hear that..but its the truth.

    Now, in a perfect world “all sin” would just go away..but unfortunately “sin” will always be among us..including the sin of homosexuality. I would rather all homosexuals who want to be that way come out of the closet and live openly so that there is no confusion in the Body. To live a lie and to carry on a double life isn’t right and pershaps legalizing Gay Marriage is a step towards ending this “dont ask don’t tell” and “closet DL” sydrome that has crippled the black community…and we aren’t even talking about it as much as we should.

    Again before someone goes off on me I am not in support of Gay Marriage biblical nor would I ever marry a gay couple but as long as ‘sin” and “gay people” exist I say for the safety and the peace of the community let them marry and be faithful and come out so we may know who they are. So many sisters are sleeping in the bed everynight next to men who have sex with other men. IF they don’t want to get delievered then at least have the nerve to tell the truth and come out.

    Amen.

  5. tK, I rarely suggest anything.

    Quick question: do you agree with permissive adultery?

  6. The article isnt misleading. Its summing what will be in research to be released next month. It was written by a homosexual journalist, not Sarah Palin.

    Secondly, why are you are as “pastor” comparing sin to sin to justify sin? Where did you learn to do that? It doesnt matter if heterosexuals are doing the same thing, its still sin to commit adultery. Its even more of an insanity to try to justify homosexuals in an obvious abomination of relationship, being “faithful” to each other as the solution for a sinful act. You have to closeted audacity to say that homosexual couples will prevent the spread of diseases. On what planet? Jupiter?

    Your “perfect world” silliness has nothing to do with God’s law which IS perfect. No one is trying to will away sin, but the presence of sin doesnt mean we should plunge headlong into it and then attempt to sanctify it with foolishness like you are doing. Im disgusted at your comments, especially knowing what you have told me about yourself. These comments sound like the double agent down low homosexuals populating the church of today. Always covering up and acting like they are concerned, but at the same time seducing other with lies.

    You first started posting here that you were struggling to overcome homosexuality, but I see that your true colors are seeping out. I guess youre about ready to come out of your closet, huh? You wont find any support for that here.

  7. Actually, Pastor I have come out about my past sins and continued struggles with same sex attractions. I actually did it about 3 Sundays ago..to my entire congregation.

    I can’t speak for someone’s report..although I can gather the same report about what I know among my “heterosexual” clergy that would suggest that heterosexual couples are into all kinds of sinful sexual acts but I have enough sense to know that that doesn’t mean all heterosexual clergy couples are tied up into the same sin.

    I can only speak from what I know and the Gay couples I know are not in open relationships.

    I didn’t say gays in a “faithful” relationship would end diseases among gay people..i said it would stop the spread of the disease amongst heteorsexual women. Don’t be foolish.

    Secondly, these are my thoughts and again I stand by them.

  8. Actually, you are in error. Divorce is highest in Christian marriages. Sorry to destroy your delusion. Google it. 🙂 Happy hunting.

  9. Those studies on divorce are extremely faulty. Just because somebody slaps a Christian label on themselves, then gets a divorce doesn’t mean they were ever Saved. I bet all 70 of these Clergy think they are going to heaven and they signed off on an abomination.
    While the heterosexual community is catching up nobody has the claim on promiscuous behavior like homosexuals. Men who have sex with men are the only group according to the CDC that have infection rates going up in HIV……

  10. The 50% myth is based on a very broad definition of the term Christian. The criteria is simply if you “attend church”. Anyone who has been to Sunday School twice in the last 4 years knows that attending church doesnt make you a Christian anymore than being in a garage makes you a car or going to a gay club makes you gay.
    Thus, saying that 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce is untrue. The rate is based on recent research and proper defining of a Christian is 38%.

  11. “For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord,” Romans 6:23.

    Homosexuals were the first group of people effected by AIDS in the early 1980s. Sin brings about consequences.
    God says, thou shall not kill, Exodus 20 but we say it’s my “right.” We call God a liar if we say killing is a “right.” Only
    God can say what’s sin. God has said that abortion [killing] is a sin. To strip a human life from the womb of a woman
    is kiliing. Abortion is the process of stopping that life from fully growing into a human being. We try to justify our
    sinful nature by calling a fetus a blob of tissue in order to ease our guilt. We say a fetus is not a human. But
    Science says human life comes from the union of an egg from a female and sperm from a male creating a new human life.
    God calls homosexuality an abomination in the Bible. What other book of God says otherwise? Answer, no other
    book exist. God does not contradict Himself because He is not a man. Either we embrace our opinions or we embrace
    the Truth of the one True Living God. The God of Abraham, Issacc and Jacob.

  12. Question: Do you want God’s gift, Jesus Christ or the wages of sin, death eternal?

    Simple decision.

  13. Thats a good point Robert. Homosexuals are by far the most sexually promiscuous demographic. The statistics on AIDS bear that out AND the great majority of homosexuals say the same thing. Homosexuals have been at the TOP of the AIDS/HIV spreaders and contracters since the very beginning. No other demographic even comes close. I know cause I lived it for 11 years. Not only was I sexually promiscuous, but most everyone I knew and observed was too. It was a badge of honor to most.

    Here’s more proof.

    So why would any real clergy representing God sign on to this madness and try to sanctify it? I know why and it aint about stopping diseases and equality.

  14. I disagree strongly with “GBG111” that the article is misleading and if same-gender couples get “married”, the number of persons contracting diseases sexually will decrease. I read the New York Times article when it originally appeared at length and also read parts of the “Gay Couples Study” which is discussed in the article. See below-

    “Many Successful Gay Marriages Share an Open Secret”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html?_r=1

    “The Gay Couples Study”
    http://crgs.sfsu.edu/research/gaycouples.htm

    Both these resources contradict GBG111’s position. In short, the article and the research study report that by their own admissions, when many same-gender couples “commit” or” get married”, they have no expectation nor plan of monogamy to their partners. In contrast, nearly all heterosexual marriages even among the unsaved assume monogamy so the comparison of same-gender relationships to heterosexual marriage (and any statistics on divorce) cannot be made since it requires one to compare apples to oranges.

    Quote: “New research at San Francisco State University reveals just how common open relationships are among gay men and lesbians in the Bay Area. The Gay Couples Study has followed 556 male couples for three years — about 50 percent of those surveyed have sex outside their relationships, with the knowledge and approval of their partners.”

    Therefore, these same-gender couples openly agree that a certain times they will have sex with another partner and some but not necessarily all agree to have “safe sex” with those other partners. There’s nothing to prohibit a sex with a heterosexual or married person (or a person who attends church)… the only “rule” is that the same-gender couple disclose this info to one another. After that, anything goes. So there’s nothing to say that this “openness” will carry over into the other liaison… meaning, for example, if Bob and Sam are in a same-gender “marriage”, and Bob says “I just want you to know that I’m seeing someone else named Fred” and Bob says “Thank you so much for being honest with me”, there’s nothing to say that if Fred also happens to be a married man that Fred is “open” with his wife that he’s having sex with another man. And would we really believe Fred and Bob are having “safe sex” 100 percent of the time? And even if they do, does “safe sex” really protect Fred’s unwitting wife from sexually contracted diseases including HIV/AIDS?

    Quote: “None of this is news in the gay community, but few will speak publicly about it. Of the dozen people in open relationships contacted for this column, no one would agree to use his or her full name, citing privacy concerns. They also worried that discussing the subject could undermine the legal fight for same-sex marriage.”

    So while it was said that the gay couples known to GBG111 are not open relationships, the article and the research distinctly say these relationships are an “open secret” meaning these same-gender couples do not tell EVERYONE what REALLY goes on behind closed doors. They deceive outsiders intentionally. They want to keep the mythology that they are “committed” couples going and admit that if the true promiscuous nature of their relationships were known that their claims to legally recognized marriage would be undermined. In fact, even research among the LGBTQ advocates demonstrate that they relationships are statistically less monogamous. By definition, these same-gender “relationships” are dishonest and deceitful at their core because they are birthed in sin. Hence, these arrangements can never be truthful and honest because they are sinful at their root.

    But even worse is that the “open marriage” and “open relationship” deception is being accepted more often in heterosexual circles. More often, even the general public who do not consider themselves homosexual are being duped into the theory that being monogamous in marriage is “unrealistic” and just some hooey that even Christians can’t live up to in practice so “traditional marriage” is obsolete. More often, we hearing people say “if a couple is honest that they are stepping out of the relationship, it’s okay”. “Swingers” groups advertise and pitch themselves to heterosexual couples on the internet (and these type of relationships are frequently promoted on “The Michael Baiden Show” amongst other places). Whenever the latest celebrity or public figure is found to be involved in sexual activity outside his or her marriage, the media responds with articles maintaining that “marriage is dead” (just last month, a FB friend posted such an article to her page after the Arnold Schwarzenegger infidelities came to light). More often, I hear chatter that women in particular should have no expectation that their husbands will or should be sexually exclusive. Therefore, at some level, untold numbers are buying into the fallacy that God does not require sexual exclusivity between a married man and woman. But God will have the last word.

    But even worse is that this “open marriage” and “open relationship” deception is being accepted more often in heterosexual circles. More often, the general public who do not consider themselves gay are being duped into the theory that being monogamous in marriage is “unrealistic” and just some hooey that even Christians can’t live up to so “traditional marriage” is obsolete. More often we hearing people say “if a couple is honest that they are stepping out of the relationship, it’s okay”. More often, “swingers” groups pitch themselves to heterosexual couples (these type of relationships are frequently promoted on “The Michael Baiden Show”) and whenever the latest celebrity or public figure is found to be involved in sexual activity outside his or her marriage, the media writes articles that “marriage is dead” (just last month, a FB friend posted such an article to her page after the Arnold Schwanegger infidelities came to light). More often, I hear chatter that women in particular should have no expectation that their husbands will or should be sexually exclusive. Therefore, all are buying into the fallacy that God does not require sexual exclusivity between a married man and woman. Divorce stats among those who claim Christianity

  15. People of God: As an update, Bishop Brue Ough who is the resident bishop who heads up the Ohio West Methodist Conference (headquartered out of Maumee, Ohio) has already stated in writing his condonation of “committed relationships.”
    So, that doctrine of demons is ever creeping closer and closer in Ohio.
    I wrote up charges against this bishop to have him reproved and rebuked but the “higher ups” turned down my appeal (with no scriptural support for their position).
    So, the new buzzword for United Methodists in N.W. Ohio is “committed relationships.” Bishop Ough of course could not support his position with any Biblical truths, just his own expression of humanism and that God is a God of love and mercy. That is his cover for this non Biblical gibberish of, “committed relationships.”
    He used the phrase to justify the hire in of a chief financial officer (note: he made the assumption that the Holy Spirit was or is unable to find a Spirit filled believer that had such financial savvy to do the work of a C.F.O.).
    Letters using “committed relationships” were sent out in his ploy to urge the annual conference of 2010 to vote this C.F.O. into office.
    It was a contentious vote but this gay agenda item won by a vote of 948-920.
    I have a packet of data that was sent back and forth between the Bishop and me which includes the appeals process and the letter condoning “committed relationships” and our various letters and emails that were exchanged. That packet can be sent out to any
    interested party but only with permission of this website.

  16. But what is all this telling us? They are in search for true intimacy that can only be found in the Father, through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ. The search for love, affirmation, connection, and bonding can never be fulfilled in sexual sins. They are attempting to find it in multiplicity of partners, only to be disappointed every time. They will smile at the conclusion but because it is sin, they shed inner and outer tears. Why? The carrot stays on the stick as they continue to chase it. And the devil continue to use the straps to beat and steer the horse to another location to sin. Never to get one bite. Hence their quest for full satisfaction is a fleeting thing until they come to Jesus.

  17. Lafe, thats their justification for trying to sanctify this insanity. “Committed relationships”. Well we know thats a lie from their own mouths. Their definition of a committed relationship means that adultery is permissable when you inform the other person that you want to have sex outside of the “marriage”.

    I think that you should turn the documents you mentioned into pdf files so we can post them here with a full story on Bishop Ough and the fact that he is leading the OWMC into a certain destruction.

  18. Thank you very much for what you wrote Akiliah. You correctly and without prejudice laid out what is actually transpiring. As it has been said even Ray Charles could see this brazen snake-eyed lie. How on earth can someone call a report misleading about a group of people when they themselves are the participants AND authors of it?

    This is the grand deception that Dr. Michael Brown heavily documented in his book, A Queer thing happened to America (exclusive interview coming soon). What stunning is that these bishops and so called leaders have sold themselves out to a satanic agenda. This isnt a debate. The evidence is clear and convincing. Yet, they continue to talk about equality and human rights with forked tongues.

    Not only are those who commit such things worthy of death, but so are the ones who agree to it. Romans 1:32

  19. Amen! Can’t believe one so blind and full of darkness had the nerve to call someone delusional. How sad indeed.

  20. So you think all Gay people are like what you use to be? I’ve struggled with same sex attractions for years, since I was a teen. I can count on one hand the number of men I’ve been with. I’ve never even stepped into a club-straight or gay. I’ve never engaged in “whorish” behavior. You stated this:

    “know cause I lived it for 11 years. Not only was I sexually promiscuous, but most everyone I knew and observed was too. It was a badge of honor to most.”

    Ever heard the saying birds of feather flock together….

    However, this does explain your now down right dislike and disgust of Gay people. Your gay experiences are not the experience of every person who has lived or has struggled with same sex attractions.

    Again, just because a group of homosexuals write about their own experiences as Gay men or women does not mean that those experiences automatically comes the experiences of every one that is struggling or involve in Gay relationships.

    You admitted that you ran from the Church; someone of us who are struggle never ran; we stayed..we prayed..we fasted…we led Praise and Worship while you were out in the Gay Club prancing around w/ your demons. We were in church at Choir Rehearsel trying to sing our demons out. While you were having sex with as many men as you could, some of us who are and were struggling with same sex attraction stayed in the Church, working out our salvation and when we did fall or give in to our struggles we felt ashamed, sinful.,,confused, hurt..guilt and only a God like the we serve could actually forgive men like you that ran and men like me that stayed.

    But at least now I understand more where you come from. We just came from two different paths and the Gay men that I know did as well.

  21. If they are gay and in a monogamous relationship they are diseased because of their sin. Romans Chapter 1 plainly shows that it is not about the physical action but the very MINDSET of the individual.

    “People of God” as Lafe says, it is not just the homosexuality it is everything else Paul lines out that they are guilty of. That is A LOT of sin….

    Romans 1:28-32
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; 32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

  22. @ gbg111 you said Frankly, I would rather gay people get married and remain faithful to each other than lie and live on the DL in our churches marrying our sisters and secretly having affairs with other brothers passing HIV/AIDS and other diseases around as they go….

    ……..I would rather all homosexuals who want to be that way come out of the closet and live openly so that there is no confusion in the Body. To live a lie and to carry on a double life isn’t right and pershaps legalizing Gay Marriage is a step towards ending this “dont ask don’t tell” and “closet DL” sydrome that has crippled the black community…and we aren’t even talking about it as much as we should.

    This is you and the 70 Clergy in the article above.

    Romans 1:32
    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

  23. “So you think all Gay people are like what you use to be?”

    First of all, I didnt say “all”. You said that, but so begins the strawmentation. However, I have 11 years of front line experience as a homosexual man. Not on the downlow. Not with the church gays. 11 years of seeing it upfront, close and personal in all its forms. Talking to and seeing thousands of people, all over this country and foreign ones too. I w Amazing there was only a shade of difference. Homosexuals now are more tempered now for one reason: fear of AIDS. The bible doesnt lie.

    Here’s a reminder:
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another.” Romans 1:27

    There is no justification whatsoever for homosexual marriage and even though I have presented evidence from the homosexual community as to why, you still seem not to see what is as obvious as the nose on your face.

  24. Ultimatum? Either accept Jesus, or God the Loving Father, is going to execute you in hell (eternally). And this narrative is like the Gospel of Jesus’ love how? You illuminate my problem with literalistic Christianity. It makes no sense.

    GCMW: So its okay for us not to believe anything you say here, because you dont mean it literally right?

  25. Last time I checked, all being Christian required was a sincere profession of faith. Since even a desire to ‘get right’ comes directly from God, clearly that would be enough. Lest you subscribe to the idea that one’s works are good enough.

  26. You aren’t offering anything substantive here. Just a kool-aid drinker 🙂

  27. I am sorry, but there is nothing else to add. And I apologize that I cannot give you the response that you want. It’s obvious that you want to get a “rise” out of me. But in all honesty…I feel sorry for you. The more you come here, the more I can see that deep down something is wrong. I pray that one day your blindness will be removed, and that the evil spirit tormenting you and urging you come to sites like these, to try and cause confusion, will be rebuked in JESUS name. A true and SINCERE relationship with Christ will cause one to live a life pleasing to him. When you get the gift of the Holy Spirit, it will lead you and guide in life, and you will be able understand scripture through the SPIRIT and not the FLESH. Be not carnal minded! God will give you joy unspeakable and peace that does passeth all understanding.That is IF you put your carnality away!

    God Bless.

  28. Debunked? doubtful. I find it highly ridiculous to even pretend you can know the contents of someone’s mind, and thus, the extent of religious devotion they have. You can’t necessarily quantify the degree of “Christianness”. Save for a profession of personal faith in God (through Jesus Christ), what can you rely on as validation? Works?

  29. tK, youve got it wrong. And youve probably been checking the wrong sources. I suggest you stop going on traditional hearsay and read God’s word. We’re not going by the Methodist book of confession or whatever they are calling it these days. The term Christian has been grossly misused and redefined to the point its definition is a relative free for all.

    Jesus defined what his disciples should do and how they should act and what their qualifications were. He was very clear –and blunt– about that.

    Luke 9:23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me. 24 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will save it. 25 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self? 26 Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

    There’s more, but just to get you started on the right road, there it is. In another passage, Jesus said if you dont want to do this, then you are NOT WORTHY to be his disciple.
    Now, do you see a “confession of faith” anywhere there? By the way just what is a “confession of faith” and what is the “faith” one is confessing? And where in scripture does it mandate that a “confession of faith” is what constitutes being a disciple of Christ?

  30. Do you have a problem when the homosexual community says that people who were delivered from homosexuality were never truly homosexual?

    Fact is the marriage study is inconclusive at best, since you love truth you should embrace that. There is no way to do a simple survey as far as Christian marriage.

  31. Saying all gay people’s relationships are like those wackos in San Fran is like saying all straight men act like the ones in Congress, ha-ha.

  32. Uh, Dee? Show me where someone on this blog said that. A suggestion read before you make points that are moot. It helps the discussion to stay on topic.

  33. This is why I appreciate this blog. I will consider your advices,and further contemplate (and research) this idea of discipleship. I am open to reason. Particularly since I’m most curious with the “first century of” Christian belief. Thanks.

  34. TruthKid, we think God is a man just like us. We were created in His image but we don’t have His righteousness. Only a relationship with Jesus Christ can open our eyes to the Truth of God. My relatopnship with Jesus Christ allows me to tell you of what’s to come if we reject God’s only escape from eternal damnation. Jesus Christ sacrificed Himself for us and all we have to do is just confess our sin and receive Him as Savior and Lord, John 3:16. What gets us in trouble is we only want to see only one side of God. We only want to talke about the loving side of God but we don’t want to hear about the wrath of God. What’s more important to you, your lifestyle or your eternal soul?

  35. TruthKid, if drowning would you want me to throw you a lifeline? Rescue from a burning building?
    I would save your life. So let us who know God help you save your soul. Jesus Christ told Nicodemus,
    “unless a man is born again from above, he can not enter the Kingdom of heaven,” John 3:1. Why
    would Jesus lie to Nicodemus. I tell you the same thing, “unless you are born again from above, you
    can not enter the kindom of God.” It’s time to trade in an opinion for God’s Truth, Jesus Christ.
    “Amazing grace, who sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me. I once was lost but now I’m found
    was blind but now I see.” Back in August 2003, I decided to trade in my opinion for God’s Truth, Jesus Christ.
    TruthKid, let Jesus Christ save you.

  36. The purpose of Jesus Christ is to deliever us from our sinful nature brought on mankind by Adam and Eve
    in the Garden of Eden. Once we confess our sinful nature and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior,
    He will change our behavior. I no longer get wasted. I no longer use foul language. I no longer engage in
    sex with men. I no longer waste my money on gay-porn. Born again means one is given a new lease on life free from the stronghold of sinful acts. Jesus Christ gives the born again believer a new life that’s pleasing to God.

  37. gmcwatch:

    Ok. I can post those articles to you in a pdf format. To what
    email should I send them?

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