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Thank you for your work. I just found your site and am very pleased as I have been somewhat down about this battle we’re in with the GLBT community. I know I should trust God, because I already know how the story ends, but my weak flesh gives in to doubt and it seems like the gay activists are getting stronger and stronger as they gain the support of major businesses, control the media, and indoctrinate our children. Who ever thought that a site like yours would ever be necessary. I thank God for you and will pray for your ministry.
Rhonda we are pleased to know this site has encourged you. God has not forgotten his word nor his promise.
Fret not thyself because of evildoers neither be thou envious of the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass and wither as the green herb. Ps 37:1,2
Hello Pastor:
Just wanted to drop you a line and encourage you for this great work you are doing. I too have been delivered from the bondages of this sexual perversion and it saddens me to see how so many are being fooled by so-called “ministers’ of the gospel. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much my brother for your kind and encouraging words. Nobody deserves to be tricked, bamboozled and hoodwinked by false prophets…unless they want it.
We are speaking out for those who are not aware that these people exist and are they are attempting to comandeer the church with their false love and false doctrine.
Thanks again!
Hey ! I just found this site and I praise God for
your unwavering stand against the perversion of
homosexuality. Praise God that any homosexual
that repents and believes The Gospel of Jesus
Christ can be saved!! I stand with you in your fight to
proclaim The Holy Scriptures.
In Christ Alone,
Pastor Charles Simmons
Your about statement says you believe that the so called biblical stance on homosexuality refutes or invalidates modern/contemporary theories on human sexuality? Do you also believe the world is FLAT? Of course not — Its amusing how religious fundamentalist pick and choose when “modern contemporary theories” should be applicable.
The bible justifies the enslavement of man — This very clearly lies in opposition to the most significant mandate of God “That we might Love”
African Americans whole-heartedly reject the biblically substantiated justification for slavery. The bible must be taken in historical context, it is a book of record there are many other examples of contradictions in the bible and If you want, I will post them.
The bible is a guidebook not the inerrant word of God since God (Jehovah) didn’t literally write it. Fallllllible human beings wrote it under the “inspiration of the holy spirit” Godly inspiration is not so deeeep that it produces infallibility in human beings. Piccasso, Bethoven, Oprah Winfrey, Nelson Mandela are “concentrated dosages of Godly Inspiration” and they are no less falliable than I.
I Pray for the day that the Church learns to think for itself, and relize that we are commanded to be “living epistles”
And in closing, I’d like to address the most significant command of God next to the acknowledgement of Almighty God, to love our neighbours as we love our selves.
“Love worketh no ill against its neighbhor” Preaching hateful sermons condeming naturally occuring homosexuality is NOT LOVE but rather its antithesis HATE.
Thanks for an opportunity to stand up against the madness of exclusion INSIDE the church.
Anthony
Its just funny to me how you can take the stuff in the Bible that sounds good to your ears yet when people would dare use the same Bible to show you that you are wrong, you would automatically dismiss them…then Bible doesnt command us to take slaves but it does tell us to flee immorality….
Yes Djenk23 it is funnyhow you seek to DIMINISH the fact that the bible JUSTIFIES slavery. Black people do not accept that? When are to be silent in the Temple? (sound familiar) Yet women preach, reside at the helm of the pastorate and dare I say, save souls ( Joyce Meyer for one). I am not suggesting that Women shoud not preach but again there is a biblical basis for the EXCLUSION of women from the pastorate and in fact, many mainstream christian denominations still refuse to allow a woman to pastor based on their perception of a biblical case admonishing them not to be allowed to pastor.
We have a right to THIINK for ourselves. We have so many denominations within Christiandom because people freeely think for themselves. Finally, when we homosexuals challenge the audacuious and anti-loving decrees of the bible (written by falllible men) we are called evil, hell-wothy, disgusting, and the like.
We scorn the Muslim and Iran for being a conservative ‘theocracy’ but if conservative hardliner christians had their way America would be a Theocracy as well even though the enire premise of salvation is that “WE of our own freewill come into the Christ, accept HIS Way, and depart from our evil ways – 2 Timothy 2:19 “. However Sir, since my homosexuality is authentically part of my biological makeup, I am not in sin. I assure you I didn’t chooose being gay, and under no circumstances would I EVER choose to be so persecuted by the “church” — Let me set the record straight contrary to countless untruths posted on this network, I did NOT choose to be gay. I am open and honest enough WITH MYSELF as to not delute myself in this regard. HOwever in order for the Holy Bible to be considered infalliable, I must consistently be assaulted for merely obeyinig my own natural order. And while my sexual orientation would differ from yours, and perhaps even disgust you, I have a right to exist and find happiness and not PLAY GAMES and pretend to be “delivered” like even some of my former friends have. Even thoughs who have reverted back to their ‘natural’ homosexual reality – then kill themselves because of the vitriolic hardline stance presented them in the bible.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS I FOUND USEFUL FROM THIS SITE, ESPECIALLY THE PRAYER, I USE TO PRAY TO BE STRAIGHT DAY AND NIGHT, NOW I PRAY TO BE HOLY, AND I USE TO BELIEVE THAT I COULD BE CHRISTIAN AND HOMOSEXUAL UNTIL I READ THE WORD OF GOD FOR MYSELF. I MUST SAY I STILL HAVE THE THOUGHTS, BUT I’m REMINDED OF THE WORD’S GOD SPOKE TO PAUL WHEN HE SAID MY GRACE IS SUFFICIENT.HOWEVER, IT ALWAYS BOTHERS ME WHEN PEOPLE PROMOTE ONE SIN AS BEING WORST THAN ANOTHER..THEREFORE I ASK, IS THERE ALSO AN ADULTERY, STEALING ,KILLING, LYING, CHRISTIAN WATCH MOVEMENT?
GCMW: Thanks for visting James. You are right, God has called us to be holy(1 Thess 4:7) and that should be our deepest desire and most fervent practice.
Please check any of the links in our sidebar for sites dealing with the issues you mentioned. I assure you this site is not a promoter of some sin caste system. Jesus said watch and pray, some of us he has placed in different watching postitions and we should remain faithful and focused.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I stumbled upon your website strictly by happenstance while browsing CNN.
It is refreshing to see that the Holy Ghost is yet separating those who have yielded to Him to do specific works across this world.
May the Lord strengthen you, keep your families loving and together and keep you with a mind and a passion to DILIGENTLY seek Him everyday.
In closing, as my pastor told the church, ‘keep your fire for Jesus, but don’t allow the wickedness of this world to cause you to leave your first love……………..maintain your hapiness and ability to freely praise God, for the JOY of the Lord is your strength’.
Tony, I wholefully enjoyed reading your post. What some people don’t, wont, or refuse to understand is that we have accepted the truth of our lives and living them in truth. We are not lying to folk about who we are — that in and of itself is a lie and an insult to God. For Psalms tells us that we were made in secret. God knew who we were going to bed before we did — it is my Faith and Trust in God that helped me through my time of realizing and accepting my sexuality. Since then God has used me to touch the lives of many GLBT persons by encouraging them with God’s word — a refreshing experience away from the “you know what you did Friday night sermons” that people get on Sunday morning.
People no longer go to church to hear craziness like that. Many churches forget, skip over, or have never read the scripture in Hebrew that when we gather together we do so in love and to promote good deeds and encourage each other — not to use religious dogma to beat down and make people feel less than. I’m glad I worship at a church that preaches sermons to uplift the spiritual and human spirit of ALL GOD’S CHILDREN — regardless of sexual orientation.
Peace and Light
All have sinned and fallen short of the grace of God… Why are you singling out the GLBT community? I don’t understand its like preaching of God and segregation all in the same breath. Can someone explain this? I am very scared that my children will learn its okay to be hateful to the catholics, Mormons, gays, lesbians, trans gendered people and not to mention those that don’t act like them. I choose to raise my children to go to church every Sunday and pray but have to ask these questions. When will the church learn that those are different should not be segragated from the church but welcomed and shown the love of Christ. Only then will they believe your words and “repent” of there “evil” ways.
For those of you wondering I am a Christan trans gendered individual… and no that doesn’t make me homosexual.
Greeting GCMW
Is there a generall posting section. I could not find one–so I used this one.
Anyhow, here is an interesting article that I found on Hicktown press about transgender and transexual men allowed to use women’s restroom.
Colorado Governor passed a bill to allow men
(transgender, transexual men) dressed as women to use women restrooms. God isn’t pleased. Sodom is starting and Judgment is coming. (Deut. 22:5)
Excerpt of opponents response:
Opponents said the bill would have serious
consequences, such as opening up Colorado public
restrooms and locker rooms to all genders and
transgender people, exposing children and women to
sexual predators.(See rest of article link below)
My add is any man who is perverted (rapist, pepohile)
can dress like a woman go into the women’s restroom
and commit a crime on women and children. Link below.
Ritter signs controversial anti-discrimination bill
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_9419103
Thanks
Its shocking to see and hear people changing God’s word to suit their own desires. Lesbianism and homosexuality have no place in the Bible unless these people want us to delete some passages which tells us about what happened to Soddomah and Gomorrah because of what they are doing!! How i pray that these men and women who have found themselves in such inhuman circumstances, see the Grace of God and repent. Isaiah says, “come and we discuss…” Please take that opportunity, its not too late God loves you. You’ll have no excuse for what you are doing. We love you but we hate what you do, its sin. God would have created for Adam a man if he so wished but instead created a woman! Finally, i would beg that you write your own book and refer to it as your bible and leave the Holy Book (God’s word).
I don’t understand your site. Is it for or against gays in thwe church. I’m reading through and I feel like you’re comdeming them, yet at first glance, this seems like a GLBT christian site. Can you be more straight-forward? What are you about???
GCMW: Lisa, please review our doctrinal statements. They are as about as clear and straightforward as it gets. What’s your position?
Hellow Pastor. God bless your ministry in the name of Jesus!
I sand you an email about a offer to extend this work to Brazilian people. Please, answer me about it ’cause Jesus have many things to say for us through you life…
See you…
http://www.taiguarapires.com
Taiquarapires, thank you very much for your words of encouragement. As “the day” appoaches, the bible tells us to encourage each other the more lest we become hardened in sin. Heb 10:25
I will be looking forward to reading your email.
what about the youth? there are so many young people, including myself, who are struggling against; what they were taught is wrong, how they feel inside, and the mountain of different “church” doctrines.
GCMW: Kamron, what exactly did you want to know about youth? Not sure Im understanding what your point is here.
Praise God!
I found this site by accident…maybe. It’s interesting. I encourage believers to read the book “unchristian” what a new generation really thinks about christians by David KinnamanvISBN 978-0-8010-1300-3.
GCMW: The term “unchristian” is really an innacurate desciptor what what is required by God. God requires holiness, not [social] christianity. Be sure to compare books to the scripture, not scripture to books.
One area deal with how most Christian deal with homosexuals … un Christ like. We need to treat all sin equally. The homosexual lifestyle is a willful continual lifestyle of sin. However so is the co habitation of the opposite sex, some call shacking. We seem to be somewhat soft on that in the church but are quick to attack those in homosexuality. Both are sexual sins. Some of our family members are gay… being gay doesn’t make them an alien all of a sudden.
GCMW: Not sure who you are referring to here, but the church (the true church) attacks all form of sin and rightly so. Maybe you have the true church confused with the liberals or the hypocrites in residence in the church.
One point brought out in the book “Unchristian” is
The opposite of sin IS NOT righteousness. Nevertheless righteousness is what we push.
The opposite of sin IS GRACE.
GCMW: The opposite of sin is not grace. Grace is given as a response to sin, not its opposite. Romans 6:1 Though grace is given as a gift of God, God still requires repentance from sin and the acceptance of HIS righteousness to make grace authentic. More on authentic grace. Titus 2:11
Are we walking in Grace toward those in a lifestyle of sin. Remember WWJD. That was a catchy slogan for a moment. But the spirit didn’t remain.
How would Jesus deal with the homosexual, the fornicator?
Let’s be lead of the Spirit and not our flesh and the traditions of men.
Before we came to Christ, we were a mess and Satan had our eyes blind. Let’s walk in love not self righteousness. It’s by the grace of God that we are not still doing what we used to.
Jesus said, “Go, and sin no more.” Jesus did not condemn, He forgave. But He tells us to change our lifestyle, change our behavior. This particular passage in John 8 is talking about adultery, but I think it applies equally to all sexual sin.
“Go now and leave your life of sin.” NIV
“Go. From now on sin no more.” NASB
“Go your way, and from now on do not sin again.” NRSV
Pastor,
I really dig this blog and appreciate your insight. I just found it thanks to a few blogs that link to you, which I am considering as well.
Do you link to like-minded, pull-back-the-curtain blogs as well. If so, please visit the Wall and I think you will be edified and encouraged by what you read.
Incidentally, I visited your MySpace page and you look strikingly familiar. Aside from the family and friends I have in your area, I have some frats down there as well.
Did you pledge? If so, I think that may be why you look familiar. Anyway, keep up the great work. Blessings to you.
Peace,
HiScrivener
Thanks so much HS. I did drop in on the Wall. All I can say is the harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. ITs good to know that there are others who value what God says above all else.
Blessings!
I love your web site, and appreciate all that your doing to spread the truth. I’ll be praying for God to continue to use you.
Blessings
Barry
I was looking thru these postings. I am somewhat alarmed by the tone of some of these postings. I am what seems to be identified here as “an ex-gay Christian.” Not sure why these are identified as such . . I don’t see website’s dedicated to “ex-gossiping Christians” or “ex-proud and arrogant Christians.” Sin is Sin . . . . why the labelling.
I would like to recommend the website of Dennis Jernigan. His approach to ministering to those Christians caught in the peril of homosexuality is extremely effective and offers solid Biblican insight into the Ray Boltz. Dennis’ music and ministry has seen me thru some of my darkest hours.
Ray was a favourite of mine, and that has not changed. He was anointed and his music still is – regardless state of spiritual crisis.
Please everyone, let’s stop judging and start praying. Too many of these posts are getting carried away. The sin of Ray Boltz is no worse than that of Terry McAlmon. or the tattooed preacher in Florida or those who preach that God wants everyone to be rich and drive expensive cars. More prayer, less judging. Jesus when he was on earth never yelled at sinners, only the self-righteous religious . . . vipers I think is what I called them.
GCMW: KennyC, you are reading something wrong. Your comments are very confusing because you are confused about what you read. Instead of more praying, what about getting an understanding before you start writing.
Define Repentace.
You mean that if a person is gay, lesbian, bi sexual or transgendered, they have to tun from being gay and do what? Get married and have kids ?
Also, should I as some of you all have done, turn my back on these people and hate them for who they are or show love to them?
You turn from sin and ask God’s forgiveness. You turn to serving the Lord and keeping his commandments. Obeying him and reverencing him. Putting him first above everything and everyone. Loving him with all your heart. Holding his WORD as your authority and guide. That’s what you turn to
Marriage is not salvation. Having children is not salvation.
Who said anything about hating anybody? Where is it anywhere that we have said to hate anyone?
What do you mean by “turning your back”?
What I ment by “turning your back” is putting a teenager that comes out and says that he or she is gay and ready to put them out the house.
GCMW: ok let’s count the lies in this comment, shall we?
Second, having people in their family do violence on them.
Last, telling people that God hates them for who they are.
Lie #1
Matter of fact, who told you you have the power to place a person in hell or heaven? Who told you that telling a gay man or women for that manner, that the only way to God, they must change? Change to what?
Turn into mindless ignorant, insecure people like yourself? There are people such as yourself telling people that life is precious, but when comes to gay’s you say kill, beat,& maim them .
Lie#2
God did not make ANY mistakes when he made his children, and you should know that If you are a REAL MAN of God. It is people like you that cause teens that are in question about their sexuality, killing themselves or turning to drugs to escape the foolishness that you all are putting out their.
Lie #3
To end, why do you need to scare people into worshipping God?
Implied lie #4
What is it, the church need more people to pay for the pastor’s love child on the side? Pay off his or her gambling debts, or pay for a bigger pyramid? And that is why I found out from other people that guys like you are a piece of work.
Lie #5
GCMW: You told five lies in this short post, RT. Five of them. All of them unsubstantiated, flame darts with zero merit. That’s what people like you who hate the truth do. You concoct lies out of thin air. And in your ideological matrix Im sure you feel smugly justified. Im also sure you’re aware that’s what they did to Christ. They made up lies about him and his work and then in a public forum told it. Based on those lies, they called for his blood to be shed. But please remember (and you have time to repent I hope) that no liar will have a place in God’s kingdom. Rev 21:27
Amen, R.T.
I am the lesbian daughter of a minister. At no time did he or my family ever use the “teachings” of the Bible to condemn me, but rather, they embraced me tighter, knowing that the world would be cruel.
The Bible tells us many things, exhorts us to more noble actions than most people will ever have the courage to commit in their lifetimes. One of the greatest of those actions is to love one another, just as God has loved us.
If anything has tormented me in my life, it is those of you who have used the Bible for your own purposes, interpreting its teachings as though you alone are privy to God’s real intent.
We are all children of God and to my understanding, Jesus came to stop us from this cacophony of judgement. So I am not hear to judge you but simply to suggest that there may be other interpretations of God’s word that are equally valid to your own.
Homosexuals who call themselves Christians are doing the church a service. We are trying to present to people what is true for us, instead of what you have decided is true.
You would do yourself great good in trying to understand who we are instead of going against God’s wish that we all love each other. If you must continue this discussion in a negative manner, please consider that you are not doing the will of God. It is for God to judge each of us, not you.
^one question:
how come you can believe the Bible when it seems to support your point of view but cant believe what the Bible says about your lifestyle?
I would ask the same of you. Can you honestly say that you live your life free of any transgressions that are “forbidden” by the Bible? Until you can say that you do, without hesitation, then you should have no quarrel with my “lifestyle”.
Quite simply, it is not for you to determine the judgement for my “sins” any more than it is for me to judge yours. My relationship is with God, not with the church, whose teachings have become so distorted and polluted.
Where in the Bible does it say that you have the right to condemn me?
“…transgressions that are “forbidden” by the Bible”?
Are you saying that homosexuality is a transgression forbidden by the Bible?
And just where in the bible does it say you have a right to live in sin and claim to be a Christian?
Those are your words, the words of a hypocrite. Anyone who claims to live completely without sin is comparing him or herself with Jesus Christ. Are you willing to make that statement?
GCMW: efenz, I hate trying to have a discussion with a straw(wo)man, but here goes. Who said or even insinuated that they live completely without sin? Who said that??? And how does that change what the bible clearly declares as sin? If another person has sin, you dont leverage your own sin against theirs as justification. No one can justify their sins, but you are doing a good job at exempting your homosexuality by stating nobody has a right to judge you. Beside being a tub of malarkey, your sin has already passed judgment on you without any assistance from anyone else. Now, I’ve read up and down through the post comments and not one, single person has stated they live completely without sin. Did you make that up out of thin air on purpose or are you just playing some childish game of evasion of the obvious?
You, sir, are no Christian.
My father is rolling over in his grave at the thought of the years that he committed to the Christian church to think that this is what it is turning into.
Thank you for your time.
So you cant answer a simple question about why you are accusing people of something they did not say or even imply. Sad. But. just know Ms Fenner that a real Christian will tell you the truth so that your soul will not burn forever in the lake of fire. That’s AUTHENTIC LOVE.
You want someone to agree with you and make you feel comfortable in your mess. I dont care how many teachers you heap to your self to tell you that your lesbianism is ok, God’s word will stand as an unflinching witness against it. If you want peace, stop blaming others, repent to God and turn away from it.
And leave your father out of this. He has nothing to do with your sins which you seem to think no one has a right to tell you about.
Repent from what? For being a Same Gender Loving, God worshipping man? Enlighten me on what are the “commandments” you speak of we should follow since you are the “Mr Know It All”?
And last, why whould God bring people into existance, and later put them in hell at the end? Please explain that one, since I have been called a “lair” of the truth? The truth of what? explain that one.
GCMW: Let’s just start with the five lies you told in your previous comment.
The five Lies? What lies are you talking about?
And to end, since you know everything, What is the “truth”?
Jesus said I am the way, the truth, and the life.
Keep lying to youself In thinking that homosexuality is of GOD. Deep within your very soul you and I know its wrong. It is condemed from the old testament to the new see: romans chapter 1 and the final book of rev.
Holiness is right ,was right and will always be right. Woe unto you who rejects truth. Woe unto you who exchange the truth of God for a lie.
I stumbled on this website while doing research for school and have but one question. What Bible is it you all believe in? The Bible I grew up with had ten commandments or rules for us to live by in the old testament and “Do not judge” in the new testament. Nowhere in God’s rules do I find where it says homosexuality is a sin. I do however find a verse that says “judge not lest ye be judged”. So I guess I have one more question, “Who gave you the authority to judge other people and their lifestyles”?
GCMW: We’ve already answered all those questions in depth here. Unless, they are simply rhetorical, white space burners, the discussion on them is closed.
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The bible has been twisted by homosexuals who are claiming to be Christians. And for all of this manipulation, the word of God still stands. A 5 year old can read scripture and say, “Oh, God doesn’t like that.”
As for judgment, 1 Corinth 5,6.
As for insecurity, it is a false premise to say that speaking against something makes one insecure abou that thing. I speak against the use of drugs when counseling patients. Does that make me insecure?
I want your fellow gays and lesbians to keep coming to this site because this is one of the few places that they will be confronted in their sins.
Pastor DL, you took it off faster than I could respond.
It would appear that this website is only here to give you a forum to twist the words and meaning of the Bible to suite your interests and your obvious desire to sit in judgement of others. I am sorry you are insecure in your own self worth and are unable to come to terms with your own sexuality that you feel the need to attack those of us who are. All of us Christian Homosexuals will pray for you and yours and hope one day you will find peace for yourself.
My fellow Gays and Lesbians, should you come across this site I suggest you keep moving as it is here to antagonize and create bad feelings between ALL of God’s children.
Please remember to post this. We wouldn’t want you to appear one sided on this page of wholesome information.
It’s interesting how you choose to edit something out that you feel makes a point against your beliefs. Maybe you should edit out all the responses that have people sitting in judgement as well.
GCMW: Failure to read leads to misunderstanding. Suggest that you go back and read our comment policy.
Sitting in judgment…see above
Matthew 7:1
I read the entire chapter of Matthew 7 three days ago. Did you read 1 Corinth 5 and 6? I don’t have planks in my eyes, so I can accurately see and help others.
To Proud Lesbian….
Your greatest sin is your pride not your lifestyle. Anytime we put anything above Gods will it opens us up to judgment.
We all sin, we all fall short… but pride in that failing is certain death!
We all have a cross to bear. To some its their sexuality, others addictions, others materialism. If you want to follow Christ you must pick up your cross and follow Him.
I don’t hear pride in Proud Lesbian — although that is her handle — what I hear is self-confidence and a peace within her spiritual self and her relationship she has developed with God.
EVERYONE — irregardless of sexual orientation have a RELATIONSHIP with God and who am I to make the determination as to whether or not God is listening.
Like Proud Lesbian (I’m presuming) — there are many GLBT persons who were raised and are being raised in Christians homes have had to wrestle with how to bring their sexuality and spirituality together in order to exist on this human plane — and many of us have successfully been able to do so with much pain and suffering. We have become victorious over the humans on this planet who stand in and still stand in pulpits across this nation and the world telling us that we are going to hell IF…(now if that’s not judgment I don’t know what is.)
I was raised in a Christian home with great Christian values and morals. My parents didn’t teach us to be judgmental of other people and their differences. Me and My House serve a LIVING, LOVING and FORGIVING GOD who takes care of and blesses my partner and our families each and everyday. We know from WHOM OUR HELP COMES. We KNOW from WHOM OUR BLESSINGS FLOW and it has nothing to do with our sexual orientation. It is because WE KNOW WHO WE ARE and more importantly WHOSE WE ARE.
Hey ReviRev! Thanks for your reply.
I agree homosexual feelings (orientation) does not prohibit anyone from having a relationship with Jesus.
However a peace about any aspect of our fallen condition (including sexuality) is antithetical to our relationship with God. We are to pursue Godly things in our life which sexuality is not. Trying to bring “spirituality and sexuality together in order to exist on this human plane” is not the goal of Christians. No wonder it brings pain and suffering!
Remember …. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”
You cannot place your sexuality above Gods will and expect to be blessed!
Revrevi has her theology really really mixed up. When you advocate the kind of buffet style theology her church engages in, youre bound to come out on the wrong side of God.
I would like to remind her that blessings, material things are no indicator of relationship with Christ. God rains on the just as well as the unjust. He is good to all regardless. But that doesnt factor into eternal life with Christ.
Hopefully the Lord will open Revrevi blinded eyes one day and she will see her sinful ways and repent.
Love the site I just stumbled onto and am grateful to read real truth and real thoughts that come from our own mortality. In my spirit I want to love all people because we do all fall short of the glory of God.
There was one post that made the comment that there’s not a site that watches over liars and thieves etc. But my thoughts are you rarely hear a liar say, “I’m being dishonest with you because I was born that way.” Or one doesn’t hear a thief say, “I have a right to steal that b/c I was born that way.” And if liars or thieves decide to get together and start a movement, then I think a stand in “God’s” righteousness would be appropriate.”
Also the slavery comments. African Americans don’t like their rights being compared to the gay rights movement….being Black is not a sin, so they don’t appreciate their intelligence being insulted this way. Slavery was obviously an abuse of power and the bible speaks clearly about this.
In all honesty, “these” area’s that I have mentioned are why I struggle with the love part…I guess my human nature doesn’t like being manipulated or forced into believing things that just aren’t there.
I came to this site after looking up Nicoliatians on google b/c so many times I have read over the words from Rev 2:6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitians, which I also hate. (talking to the church of Ephesus)
Again in Rev 2:15-16 Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolataitians. (16) Repent therefore! (talking to the church of Pergamun)
Again in Rev 2:20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants it sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. (talking to the church of Thyatira)
I have not struggled with the sexual immorality of being gay but have had other lusts that have greatly shamed me. I claim that I am delivered and every now and then I am waylaid with a bomb from the pits of hell but I have learned to rely on the Lord through his truth and with his armor. Maybe it will never leave me completely while I’m in this skin of flesh, but I know he created me to be Holy and I’m standing on that. When I fall, I’m forgiven but the truth is His grace is always sufficient.
Hello I just discovered your website and your ministry. PTL. I have been at it for almost 20 years preaching and teaching that God is still in the business of changing lives, even one’s homosexual/same-sex attractions. Praise God for your ministry. I am glad we are in the fight together
Rev. Jeff Winter
OnebyOne http://www.oneby1.org
Hello,
I just came across this page today. The name called to me and I was curious to read what it was about. I have read all these posts above and I am truly hurt. As a christian I am hurt. I can understand where both sides are coming from the christian community and the glbt community. I feel that my testimony might speak to someone. As a child I was raised by a mother and grandmother who were both lesbians. They sent me and my sister to church every sunday. I grew to love the lord very much.I would pray for my mother and my grandmother all the time. I was molested by a female cousin on my father’s side when I was 6. I was raped by a boyfriend and had my virginity stolen at 14. Still very active in the church and youth groups I felt very guilty about my loss of purity and I began to act out. Like most rape victims, I acted out. I became very promiscuous and began a pattern of backsliding and struggling with my sexual identity. By 17 my mother got saved and married. I was happy for her, but by then I was still trying to live right in the eyes of my Father on my own. I had always had sexual thoughts about women but I never acted them out for fear of being like my mother. I was afraid to tell her, for fear that it would hurt her and make her feel guilty. At 18 I moved away and became very serious about my relationship with the Lord. Fasting,praying, very involved with the ministry. I was at peace. I was very transparent with my pastor and my church. Everytime I fell I told them. If I sinned, I would sit myself down that day and repent. One day my pastor’s wife’s armorbearer took me aside and told me that the Pastor’s wife called me a whore ina conversaton one day. I confronted her and asked her about it in front of her armorbearer and she did not comfirm or deny.Very hurt my this and knowing how hard I tried to fit in and live right I left the church. My life has not been the same since. I felt that the rejection of the church was a rejection from God. I know now that this was a lie from the devil who comes to steal, kill and destroy. He knows he is already defeated so he tries to take us all down anyway he can. But I spent years of my life being hurt and confused. I became a bisexual. Knowing that it was a sin, but once I allowed it in it was hard to let go. I know some ppl say they were born that way. All I can say is that in my case my life situations put me in a place to feel that way. Some GLBT ppl were never raped or molested. Some have been. Either way, we (humans) have been hurt. Jesus is a healer. Tonight is New Year’s Eve and I’m going to spend this night with my healer Jesus Christ. Jesus loves me no matter what I have done. He hates my sins, I hate my sins too. I want to feel that peace again. That unconditional love. I will repent and give my life to Christ once again.I know that it is my responsibilty to repent and make things right. I also know being someone who truly loves the word of God that it is the responsibilty of Christians to love one another as Christ loves us. It seems impossible to do sometimes, but I believe that we can to it. It really hurt me to read all the anger and sarcasm coming from both sides. I agree that when you love someone you should tell the the truth and sometimes the truth does hurt. That’s all the more reason to speak the truth with love. Not with self-righteousness, sarcasm, combativeness,defensiveness, but with love. You need to speak with love even when they don’t love you. A lot of ppl from the GLBT community hate the church, they hate christians and they hate God. Why??? Because some of us are not showing them Love. We have been telling them all the things in the bible that are TRUE about thier lifestyle, but not telling them the TRUTH about Gods love. They shouldn’t pick and choose which parts of the bible apply to them, but neither should you.The bible says that love will draw them in. That same love will cause them to repent, not condemnation. I believe that you should keep doing what you are doing as well if you are truly lead by The Holy Spirit. Truthfully the way you have gone about this and the way you have worded some things in your responses to those that oppose you caused me to question your motives, but I understand that this is not my place. God knows and you know and that’s all that matters. I felt lead to share this and I have. I pray that you recieve my message in love.
God Bless you,
T
Enjoyed your website. I just wanted to let you know about a typo in the paragraph below. Look at the word, ” because”
God bless,]
Phil Magnan
14. Homosexuals do not need to repent, be saved, delivered from or changed from their natural sexual orientation.
The fundamental problem with this position is that it changes the basic definition of sin. This is dangerous to the church becasue if we can willfully change definitions of certain behaviors, then we alter what people understand the consequences of that behavior to be. For instance, if our government were to make rape legal, there would be no negative consequences for the rapist legally. Likewise if the definition of what is or is not sin, especially when there’s a clear definition in scripture, it will deceive people and consequently lead to spiritual death.
GCMW: Thanks very much Phil!
I found this site intersting. As far as I’m concern the conservertive reconstruction project fits with some of these ideas. Maybe there a bridge here?
One problem is that people no longer want to hear that all have sinned and need to repent. The drunk, doper, rapist and thief.
The difference is in a sin unto death and sins not unto death.
Abominations are sins unto death. (spiritual)
Also, the word of God is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Those thoughts are manifested by our actions and words. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and the Lord said that we would be witnesses unto him. How we live bears witness at the throne of God what we think about his word. If we act in a way that is declared to be an abomination we sin a sin unto death and show the Lord we don’t care what his word says.
The Lord said himself he prays not for the world and the scriptures are full of things that God hates. He removed his grace from Saul and many are listed in the new testament as turning back to the world.
David said in sin his mother conceived him and that he was shapen in iniquity. We are not as great as this man after God’s own heart and it is blasphemous to say God made me this or that. We all need to repent and be renewed by the Spirit of God just as the word says.
The Lord said we must live by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God and also said that any man instructed in the kingdom of God is as a scribe that brings forth out of his house things both old and new.
There are indeed sites such as christianet.com where straight Christians try to teach the truth and get on each other about sins. The sad part is that while many are smart in education in the scriptures most lack the leading of the Holy Ghost and err greatly in what they believe.
Those of us that attempt to warn gay people about abominations sending them to hell are not all hateful.
In a more carnal analogy I would say that if I was traveling down a road and the bridge was out in front of me the one that stood in the way and loudly proclaimed the bridge is out and death lie ahead is the one that loved me. The one that blindly allowed me to go on my way for what ever reason would be the one that didn’t.
In my blogs I make it a point to include that should any babes in Christ struggling with repentance and turning from active homosexual activity read my words I hope they will turn from it and at least attempt to use the way of escape with that temptation which is celibacy, or side B. I do not attempt to come across uncaring or hateful, even though I am generally accused of such.
The truth is that the time is short and the return of the Lord is nigh. With that in mind I would want someone to warn me if I was doing something that was abominable. Forever is too long to be wrong.
I hope that whoever reads this knows that some of us out here are sincerely concerned about the spiritual welfare of those who may be babes in Christ and wish to see their souls saved.
It is not just a matter of lashing out at gays.
The word says that in the end times brother would fight brother just as nation would rise against nation. That can be seen both in the natural world around us as well as the spiritual one in which the body fights the Spirit and the old man fights the new creation in Christ.
Each person will have to answer for their own self but in the meanwhile I do plan to do what I can to help those who are struggling with the conviction of the Holy Ghost.
Another issue is calling the conviction of the Holy Ghost the devil. I have read some say such and that is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. The word says not to call good evil nor evil good. Too many today have been taught to blindly say what they want not realizing that by our words we are justified and by our words we are condemned. Those accusations against the Holy Ghost hold eternal consequences.
There truly is a lack in discernment of spirits today. That lack in discernment opens the door to all sorts of heresy and abomination as people can no longer discern between the devil and the Spirit of God.
I personally hope that any that read what I post will take the time to honestly consider the consequences of active homosexual activity and turn from it.
I do not say that in hate but in love of their soul.
May God bless,
Frank
RevRev,
Not everyone has a relationship with Jesus. The Lord made that clear when he said that he will say to many “Depart for I never knew you.”
The word says the Lord is angry with the wicked every day.
It also says the face of the Lord is against all that do evil.
The word says 7 nations were cast out before Israel because of their wickedness.
Saul lost his kingdom for rebellion.
The Lord called the pharisees a nest of vipers.
The Lord spake the spiritual meaning of his parables to his disciples in secret. Those not his only heard the carnal meaning. The same holds true today. Many do not have the rightly divided word of truth as brought forth from the Spirit. They tend to seek out ways to avoid repentance.
And, both John the baptist and Jesus came preaching “Repent and believe the gospel.”
Frank
In recent years, there is a continuing focus on what now is called the ‘culture’ war. Alternative lifestyles such as the homosexual lifestyle is widespread and large in numbers. But so is the population of the obese, the drug addicts, the alcoholics, the hypocrits, and of those who are totally ‘messed up.” 🙂 Sin is sin and as a Christian, I am to learn the truth about what God said is right and wrong…in the Bible. It’s his contact point with us. He loves all…..especially those in the highways and hedges….outside of what we label as Christianity.’ We are the Temple of God and His Christ. By way of His Holy Spirit, my heart is softened and compassionate for those who live less abundant lives than what the Father wants for His creation. The Church as been a total failure in redeeming those ‘poor in spirit’ unto the joys of the Lord. When they look at the visible Church….who wants it. But, if you are gay, and if you are reading my comment….please know that the mercy of God is open to us all…..if we are repentant. His rules are there for our happiness. Satan’s lies are there for our destruction. Homosexuality, obesity, drug abuse, alcoholism, cheating, stealing, adultery…..all sin is destructive to the spirit and body. We are BETTER than that. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.
God loves the sinner but He hates the sin. Sin includes obesity (gluttony), liars, adulterers, sexual perversions (even among married heterosexuals…lust is lust…even if you are married), and all other sin. Sin is serious. I read the attempted gang rape of the angel of destruction who came to destroy Sodom and Gamorrah…..by the roving band of homosexuals of the city. These were all destroyed with Sodom by fire and brimstone rained from God out of Heaven. Sin is serious, serious…business. I think we might all fare much better, spiritually, if we spent time getting the log out of our own eyes, beeing filled with the presence of God, as true deciples are commanded to be. Then, we can go forth with serving those everywhere, especially the lost, and show them how genuinly God loves them. Love Never Faileth. The latter half of the first chapter of Romans clearly states God ruling on the right and wrong of homosexuality. These scriptures shows one can reach a point of no return while living the life……and can actually be locked into its perversness and be dead eternally. Please receive God’s abundance He so desires for you. Satan is a liar. “He desires to sift you as wheat.” He hates you because you are God’s creation and joy.
internet elias,
It is true that we should remove the beam from our own eyes before we try to remove the mote from our neighbor’s. But, to remove that beam it must be mainifested by the Spirit. Not through vain repetitions of man’s doctrines.
Once we can see that we are but sinners saved by the grace of God through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ at Calvary we should attempt to live in accordance with the word of God to the best of our human ability and rely on his grace when we fall short.
Then we should point out the sin and abomination of others who proclaim the name of Christ in a spirit of meekness lest we be tempted.
The thing to keep in mind is that the scriptures declare that he sends forth his spirit and we are created and that the goodness of God leads us to repentance. The entire conversion and walk with God from beginning to end is a spiritual work whereby no man may receive any glory as it is written that the Lord will not share his glory with another.
As for loving the sinner and hating the sin, this too is a nice sentiment but not scripturally sound.
If God loved the sinner and hated the sin Sodom would not have been destroyed. The Lord would have made another way to save them.
The scriptures declare that the Lord is angry with the wicked every day.
There are indeed those whom the Lord hates such as written Isaac have I loved but Esau have I hated.
There are those who have been predestinated to be conformed unto the image of His Son since he foreknew who would love him and who would not.
There are also those who are predestined to damnation as He knew they would never love him.
John the baptist said to the pharisees who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come. Wrath is not poured out on those whom the Lord loves but on those whom the Lord hates.
Those who choose to live lives against the word of God may indeed kindle his hatred and wrath.
All we as Christians can do is to try to warn them in a spirit of meekness remembering that it is only by the goodness of God that his Spirit has led us to salvation and given us the desire to serve him to the best of our ability.
Frank
In my post about Numbers I meant Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated.
Not Isaac have I loved and Esau have I hated.
My mistake.
Frank
“Maybe you have the true church confused with the liberals or the hypocrites in residence in the church.”
-GCMW
So all liberals are unholy or attend fake churches because they are not conservative Republicans. Wow nice to know how Jesus would vote, oh yeah and a mix of church and state is something extremely constitutional.
GCMW: No, just some. Maybe you missed the use of the word “maybe”.
“You told five lies in this short post, RT. Five of them. All of them unsubstantiated, flame darts with zero merit.”
-GCMW
GCMW knows all truth because they have died and were reborn again, on what day if I may ask? Love the flame darts w 0 merit, what a way to show how Jesus would respond.
GCMW: Since RT wouldnt respond to the obvious lies he told, why dont you give it a shot instead of dragging Jesus and cliches into the mix.
“efenz, I hate trying to have a discussion with a straw(wo)man, but here goes.”
-GCMW
OH, you hate and disrespect people’s names along with an adhominem attack by using your own fallitic interpretation of their identity. Since when is it okay to hate sharing the gospel in any way? “(wo)man” I’m so appalled at your hatred.
GCMW: efenz is the name SHE used to sign on with. Since you dont like our method, LLAGO, what do you suggest as a better course of action?
..”by stating nobody has a right to judge you. Beside being a tub of malarkey, your sin has already passed judgment on you without any assistance from anyone else.”
-GCMW
Passing judgment is the 11th commandment according to GCMW, not to forget potentially using metaphors repugnantly.
GCMW: No, judging righteously is a command given by Christ in Matt 7:24. Was he wrong to tell us to judge righteously?
“Instead of more praying, what about getting an understanding before you start writing.”
-GCMW
This is the best way to express how one should ask questions about one’s dialogue instead of jumping to their own conclusions. DON’T PRAY! Here’s someone totally holy because GOD and JESUS said only to pray under certain circumstances.
Overall, I’m losing my appetite because of the poisonous rhetoric from the framers of GCMW but joyous towards the opportunity of welcomed discussion. I pray, I fast, I breathe, I see, I live, and still I admit to being human and proned to make mistakes. Passing judgement never superseeds loving thy neighbor!
GCMW: LLAGO, please state your case. We all get that you dont like the answers we give here. If you dont have a legitimate objection, just move on. It will be easier on everybody. And if you have any more complaints send them to email.
Great site!! This is something a lot of christians are mulling over, how to be loving towards homosexuals involved in homosexual sin. We know God gives them over to a debased mind as we can see from a lot of the posts. The apostate churches aren’t helping, I fear for those religious leaders when they stand before God. We as christians need to put on the full amour of God for this spiritual battle. The rationalization for why God would be ok with homosexuality is not different from the rationale given by pedophiles, those involved with beastiality, and the whole slew of sexual perversions. I can see Jesus returning soon, He didn’t put up with the evilness of Noah’s day or with the rampant homosexuality of Sodom. Jesus loves all sinners but God will never change, homosexuality was, is and will always be sin and for those that remain in unrepentant homosexual sin, you reject the gospel. You will forfeit eternity for your false idol that you worship more than God. Don’t let the enemy steal that away, repent and join the family of God.
May God continue to strengthen you for the journey ahead. The time is coming for true discipleship. We must be willing to surrender yea even our own lives for the Will of Our Father. There is a swelling of the forces of evil around this world and a boldness liken unto the days of Sodom. Be ready! Be ready!
For those who maybe lead by the Spirit over to this site, that are struggling with this or any sin just remember this:
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
Hi Maria, Thanks for the post. I remember being in a very saimlir situation. We’d moved to Florida, and in doing so left a thriving and healthy church. We were young in the Lord during that season so it was hard for me to understand and see Him in what I was going through. It felt like we jumped from one church to the next trying to find where we belonged. Looking back God was in all of the churches we were at, because He was in us. Not all were healthy churches, and some were only for a season in our lives; however, each experience during that time Lord has used for His glory. I would encourage you and your husband to continue to seek fellowship (even if you have to drive an hour) with other believers. God knows this season, knows your needs, and knows the needs of others whom you will encounter. I encourage you to continue to trust Him in all things, and He will direct your path. I will be praying for you that God reveals to you and your husband the right body of believers to surround you with. Until that time, there are women’s Bible studies that you can be a part of outside of a church; look online for Bible Study Fellowship. They have it for both men and women. They are located all over the United States and internationally. They usually take a book of the Bible and study it for a year. Also, contact other churches and see if they have small group ministries where you might be able to just attend. I know you homeschool the kids, if you have a group of other mothers maybe take an evening and go for coffee and share a scripture or two together. I pray the Lord brings believing friends for both you and your husband. Blessings! Beth
We must submit all of us to God. This includes feelings. If the feelings remain long enough the act will follow. The flesh has to be crucified. We have to become dead to sin. Remember Jesus if a man looks at a woman to lust after he has already committed adultery. Feelings that grow turn to action.
Love this site!!! Just discovered it today!! Im glad that there is someone out there who will stand boldly in their convictions and declare the uncomprimisable Word of God!! Homosexuality has NO PLACE in the church, NONE!!!
May I just say what a comfort to uncover somebody that actually knows what they are discussing online. You definitely realize how to bring an issue to light and make it important. A lot more people have to read this and understand this side of the story. I was surprised that you’re not more popular given that you certainly have the gift.
Jesus: blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.
Jesus: blessed are those who have been persecuted for righteousness sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven!
You can’t pray away the gay.
GCMW: Finn, where in the bible does Jesus say that homosexuality is “righteous”? And if it cant be found, wouldnt your misuse of the scripture above be extremely self serving at best?
Such a refreshing change to hear the word of truth, not the perverted one according to homosexuals.
I have absolutely no hatred for them of course, but I do hate the truth being changed to fit in with what they want to believe.
Thank you for your boldness. You remind me of Jeremiah, who was bold when it was not beneficial to him. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much Mildred! God’s glory doesnt always contain an immediate benefit to us, but it is worth us giving 100% of ourselves so that he IS glorified.
Pls there is an important question i want 2 ask nd pls i need a reply. Is there any religion that does not condemn homosexuality?
GCMW: Major Religions? No.
I think it’s clear that God loves the sinner, for in John 3:16 Jesus says “God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him will not perish but have everlasting life.” The ‘world’ is sinners. Yet God is just & will deal with sin righteously. Only Jesus Christ can take that sin & do away with it & satisfy the righteous dealing of sin. Next, God saves us for good works, He saves us from penalty (death), presence (hell) and power of sin (sinful living). Those not willing to believe in Lord Jesus and receive Him as Lord & Savior, well God’s wrath will abide on them. So basically, God loves the sinner & yet will have righteous wrath upon those whom choose to not repent & believe the Gospel. This is how I understand the Gospel.
My issue is that it shouldn’t be an issue anymore than any other sin as far as people are concerned. The man drinking every night and beating his wife shouldn’t feel more welcome in church than the lesbian. The homosexual person shouldn’t get sneered at, talked about, made to feel unwelcome. How are you supposed to spread The Word and help promote repentance to a person that is getting pushed away. People who feel like outcasts don’t always conform for acceptance, often they dig themselves deeper into the world that does accept them. Homosexuals aren’t defined by their sexuality. They are people with feelings and struggles just like anyone else. The struggle is just different. Maybe they don’t struggle with things that a straight friend just can’t seem to overcome.
Erica, you seem to be suggesting that making people “welcome” is the answer the the compounded layers of confusion about homosexuality? Do you really think its that simple? Just put out some tea and biscuits and homosexuals will want to change?
One of the BIGGEST MISTAKES Christians fall victim to is the use of the world’s euphemisms: Homosexuals are NOT “gay”; and the new lie: “you can’t help whom you love” – The truth: Either you trust God or you don’t! God has declared (more than once) that HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION! Therefore, there is NOTHING man can say to refute this truth!!
Hallelujah
Amen!
You tell people to repent & join the family of God. Repentance may seem more appealing than joining much of the visible church.
Praise Jesus there is this voice in the wilderness teaching that homosexuality IS A SIN. Too many have coward away from this true teaching! As always, God hates the sin but loves the sinner. Thank You for standing up for God’s truth. May he bless you in all his fullness.
AMEN!
I am happy to find movement that actually defends the
biblical principals in which the teaching of Jesus is revealed. Although we are all sinners and can be forgiven through Jesus, we still come short of the glory of God. God Bless you all, this is all very interesting. I think that all this division is the work of some powerful people that purposely keep agitating the different views so as to weaken the body. If any body has noticed the persecution and killing of Christians around the world in increasing. Pretty soon our own laws will turn against us. Once the freedom of expression and religion are controlled by government, neither side will be able to worship as they wish. If the Bible is found to be a faulty piece of interpretation, then there will be no basic doctrine that can maintain the Christian Faith on earth united. Apparently the enemy will win, the people lost their focus on Jesus Christ and prefer to prove they are correct. / Both sides are full of pride and will do anything for self-gratification. Sooner or later persecution will arrive and personal decisions will have to be made.
Finn,
We found out about GOD from our elders/parents/preachers from the Bible. In that same Bible in which we found out GOD to be TRUE and have FAITH in HIM, so it is in that SAME BIBLE it says the the Lord GOD despises homosexuality in Leviticus. So how is it not an issue with Christians? The old testament still has value to the people of GOD.